Official Statement On Rebranding To Dash

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There was no poll, but it is pretty obvious if you read this forum and the BCT thread that the community was rallying around DASH. Hell, without any prompt from Evan the BCT thread has basically been an informal DASH logo design competition for the past couple days now. ;)
I stand behind the name change. It is a thing hearing from the supporters who are more likely to give an opinion, another to have an official poll.
 
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Communication has been an issue for us, as Darkcoin has quickly grown over the last 14 months. We have grown so fast that I couldn’t keep everyone in the loop at all times. We’re addressing this by moving all development coordination to Slack, which has already had a great positive impact on the project. Part of managing something that grows this quickly is addressing weak areas that can be improved, we believe moving to a platform that the whole development team can openly communicate on is key to that goal.
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How come this was decided as if the community is dysfunctional not capable of your mastermind thinking? I do not like that this was decided opposed to the community. Were you afraid that we would give the wrong answer? Again, I am for the name change, NOT the way it was handled.
 
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I just got back from a friends Liquor Store (he owns three in my city). He knows about Darkcoin and is already invested. In conversation I brought up the re-brand announcement and asked him his take on the whole thing, not as an investor, or friend, but strictly as a merchant. He whole heatedly agreed (with me and most of this community) that the Darkcoin name comes with negative connotations and that it would be very hard as a merchant to accept something 'like that'. We started to talk about the new name, Dash. All I said was "It's basically digital cash" and right when I mentioned that I saw the light bulb tick on over his head.

Anyways sorry for the bad story telling I just thought that actual real use cases (even involving friends) might help some of the people who are holding back from accepting the announcement for re-branding. With the technology and name combined, the Ambassador Group should have a much easier time bringing merchants on board.
 

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How come this was decided as if the community is dysfunctional not capable of your mastermind thinking? I do not like that this was decided opposed to the community. Were you afraid that we would give the wrong answer? Again, I am for the name change, NOT the way it was handled.
hey. I don't think it was decided like that, it was proposed and people on the whole rallied around it then it was made official yesterday. At first it's a big shock but if you go through all the posts, the reasons for changing are solid (make more friendly in the market, remove barriers to compete with Bitcoin with things like InstantX, getting privacy to the mass market, etc)
 

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I just got back from a friends Liquor Store (he owns three in my city). He knows about Darkcoin and is already invested. In conversation I brought up the re-brand announcement and asked him his take on the whole thing, not as an investor, or friend, but strictly as a merchant. He whole heatedly agreed (with me and most of this community) that the Darkcoin name comes with negative connotations and that it would be very hard as a merchant to accept something 'like that'. We started to talk about the new name, Dash. All I said was "It's basically digital cash" and right when I mentioned that I saw the light bulb tick on over his head.

Anyways sorry for the bad story telling I just thought that actual real use cases (even involving friends) might help some of the people who are holding back from accepting the announcement for re-branding. With the technology and name combined, the Ambassador Group should have a much easier time bringing merchants on board.
me too, digital cash clicks, everyone I spoke to loves it, the less technical they are the more they get it
 

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Ok so we have two names. Now we have two coins. We've talked a lot about needing two block chains. So that got me to why wouldn't we use all the benefits of the second coin to our advantage. I'm going to go way out on a limb and you guys talk me back in.

What if we kept the second coin. It became a merge mined coin that provided us a second blockchain for the potential use of later adding liquidity (think some of sort of stock split), providing a second mainnet for testing, as well as who knows provide that second relay network for tor related Digital Cash services.

I was trying to think of a way that we could have a more a live testnet. You could treat it like a stock split and use it to provide a lower level buy in for other new Digital Cash users. I am probably missing some fundamental reason as to why this could never work but perhaps it could help solve some of the problems we are having with our current box... discuss!
 
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hey. I don't think it was decided like that, it was proposed and people on the whole rallied around it then it was made official yesterday. At first it's a big shock but if you go through all the posts, the reasons for changing are solid (make more friendly in the market, remove barriers to compete with Bitcoin with things like InstantX, getting privacy to the mass market, etc)
And who decided against and for the name change? What do we know about it, really?
 

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Good point. I'm not sure of the mechanics, but maybe letting Dashcoin coexist with Dash could prove advantageous down the road. It is certainly worth thinking about--provided it could be assured to not interfere with Dash development.
 

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Where have you guys been lol? :)

EDIT: IDK know the internal mechanics of the decision, not that important to me I just want a good decision and after the last 4 days or whatever I think this is totally the way forward
 

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Where have you guys been lol? :)

EDIT: IDK know the internal mechanics of the decision, not that important to me I just want a good decision and after the last 4 days or whatever I think this is totally the way forward
And people are free to vote...if you don't think it is the right way forward, Cryptsy and Bitfinex are just an InstantX away...
vote with your wallet.:)
 
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I just went through the thread and realized no one posted this, so I will for it's sheer awesomeness:

This is an amazing logo, and would get my vote if one was held today. Simple, classic, and it incorporates all of the elements that the brand is about.
Found found that gem on bct as well. Isn't it dashing? Oh my!
 
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I just went through the thread and realized no one posted this, so I will for it's sheer awesomeness:

This is an amazing logo, and would get my vote if one was held today. Simple, classic, and it incorporates all of the elements that the brand is about.
As much as I hate the way the name was decided (and I'm not too keen on the name itself), I'm always enthusiastic about great artwork and that transition is very very sweet. The "Digital Cash" font needs to be changed though. Dash Logo itself is visually pleasing. Who made this?
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the D logo, but aside from that, it's well recognized. Keeping something that visual the same would be immensely helpful, IMO, for this transition. I really don't think we should go there at all. In fact, the reason we tried so hard to find a name that starts with D is so we could keep the logo. Anyway, it's another can of worms if nothing else. lets leave that for another time in the future if need be :)
As we are rebranding it's actually important to fix it all at the same time. Not fixing it now and waiting is a can of worms imho. As much as I loved the old logo back when we changed to it: Now this currency has grown up and needs something more soothing to the eye. I put my favorite suggestion for a new logo as profile picture for all of you see :)
 

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How come this was decided as if the community is dysfunctional not capable of your mastermind thinking? I do not like that this was decided opposed to the community. Were you afraid that we would give the wrong answer? Again, I am for the name change, NOT the way it was handled.
I think you don't realize how it's been handled.

Evan has been against changing the name for a very long time. The community has been pushing for a name change ever since the last name change...

He was finally coming around to the fact that his creation has changed so drastically, that it's name no longer fit it.

Of the considerations being made, DASH was high on the list. Then, there was a goof in some comment posting that revealed it, people jumped to conclusions, hands were forced, it was messy. Accidents happen. Get over it. I'm the biggest loudmouth critic of every tiny detail there is... I'm not whining.

Coming from me, that's the biggest STFU there has ever been.
 

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As we are rebranding it's actually important to fix it all at the same time. Not fixing it now and waiting is a can of worms imho. As much as I loved the old logo back when we changed to it: Now this currency has grown up and needs something more soothing to the eye. I put my favorite suggestion for a new logo as profile picture for all of you see :)
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I don't know what is decided about logo style:
1. Should we inherit Darkcoin style now for the transition period (half a year?) - to show that we are same darkcoin and alive (not a new coin)?
2. Or should we make a new perfect logo - to not have problems with lots of out-of-date logos.

If second option - it's better to organize a competition for professional designers - to get all best ideas. This name is perfect for creativity...
 

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As much as I hate the way the name was decided (and I'm not too keen on the name itself), I'm always enthusiastic about great artwork and that transition is very very sweet. The "Digital Cash" font needs to be changed though. Dash Logo itself is visually pleasing. Who made this?
I really like the logo as well! It fits right in with the logo of Visa and other similar brands; Simple, catches the eye, angled to make it appear moving and not too much going on so it looks good scaled down. I honestly think this logo is perfect! :)

Credits to Salkenex over at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10749584#msg10749584 for the logo though!

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This is a bit off-topic from the discussions here, but I feel this is where people are reading at the moment:

The current privacy implementation is good for making it impossible to see who sent money, BUT you can still see how much is being sent to a specific address! This might be problematic and I had an idea which might solve it. My idea is very simple and involves stealth addresses which we would need to implement, but that is not so hard. Now imagine you send anonymized funds to a stealth address and that the denominations of your transaction are actually broken up to be sent to different addresses derived from the stealth address. The receiver could then simply mix the denominations in the different addresses a few times if they want as well. This would mean in addition to not seeing who sent coins to an address, you wouldn't actually be able to see what amount any receiver receives at all! This together with blinding and ip obfuscation makes me feel like an excited kid! :D
 

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me too, digital cash clicks, everyone I spoke to loves it, the less technical they are the more they get it
I still think we need a slightly more complex version that includes the ideas of privacy/anonymity, the denomination concept, masternodes' role, etc... An infographic in motion. WE know what we mean by digital cash, but most of the dumb-masses thing BItCoin is already it. They're ignorant to what BitCoin is missing.

this is a fringe benefit in the minds of those who created the misinformation campaign about BitCoin being anon devil drug gun kill money. The objective was, and still is, to keep the dumb-masses thinking that BitCoin is anonymous, when, in fact, it makes them even more traceable than anything else ever... This is how the dark markets keep getting shut down, same old tactic; follow the money. Tho tor is imperfect, it's not the cause. The rendezvous system doesn't depend on exit node clusters. That whole argument doesn't mesh with reality and demonstrates that those promulgating it don't know what they're talking about. Making sloppy moves with your BTC because you falsely believe it is anonymous. That's what's doing it. That's what the misinformation campaign was built to cause.

Make micro deposits to dozens of accounts/addresses on dark market website. Watch the addresses they get withdrawn into. Oh look, it's a coinbase account with a name and address... This is not hard and it's exactly what the feds are doing. It doesn't give them 100% proof to prosecute, but it sure as hell narrows it down when dozens of those tiny deposits end up on one giant lump that can't possibly be anything other than the site admin... Or maybe a vendor. Either way, they're catching very large low-hanging fruit as a result of their misinformation campaign and the dumb-masses refusal to learn how things work and just take their misinformation at face value becasue they'retoo damn lazy and stupid to.... You know where I'm going with stupid people, I'll save you the trouble...

While DASH's intent is not to enable crime, it is crime where the flaw was revealed and made most obvious. Criminals, well, smart criminals, value their privacy more than anyone else. The lack of it in their realm is the most obvious first place where it would be exposed. It would probably live on as a quiet lie if not for such splashy examples of failure.

We need an animated infographic that tells us a bit more or people are going to thin this is a solution in search of a problem. That is, in fact, the root of almost every DASH detractor's argument. They've drunk the Kool Aide, and now they share it and even argue it's virtues. And army of stupid people falling for misinformation and spreading it. And all we need to combat it is a slightly longer infographic...

The up-side to "DASH" is that even if the copyright mess is a mess and goes bad, change one letter.

ZASH, VASH, BASH?, LASH, GASH, PASH, FASH(FAS(T)H?), etc... You can play with it so very easily and since it barely makes a point anyway, you can make the point no matter how you slice it... No matter how you change it, it sucks no worse than it already does...
 
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Who's been copying my friend's idea?? meeehhh.... very lame... Or logical innocent coincidence?

 

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I don't know what is decided about logo style:
1. Should we inherit Darkcoin style now for the transition period (half a year?) - to show that we are same darkcoin and alive (not a new coin)?
2. Or should we make a new perfect logo - to not have problems with lots of out-of-date logos.

If second option - it's better to organize a competition for professional designers - to get all best ideas. This name is perfect for creativity...
Changing the logo later will cause the old logo to follow Dash into the future. I even still see the oldest Darkcoin logo pop up sometimes..
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I think publicity and awareness about the name change is the way to go.
 
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