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Proposal Fee Lending by AnCapitol

Discussion in 'Budget Proposal Discussions' started by AnCapitol, Feb 23, 2018.

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  1. AnCapitol

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    == THIS SERVICE HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM FURTHER INQUIRIES==


    Dear DASH Community,

    I will now offer to sponsor one proposal per cycle. These are the rules to be considered:

    RULES
    • You will not spam me with requests
    • Only post your link to your pre-proposal discussion in this thread ONCE. Nothing more
    Your post should look like this:
    • Your pre-proposal needs to be online for at least 2 weeks before you want to go online with your proposal
    • You have to enter your proposal within the first 5 days of the voting cycle
    • I will give feedback in your pre-proposal discussion if I will or will not support you. Whether or not I will explain myself depends on your proposal.
    • You have to be verifiable with your real name and prior work experience (e.g. linkedin).
    • You need to have a PGP Key for safe communication via E-Mail. (check keybase.io for an easy one)
    NOT SUPPORTED TYPE OF PROPOSALS
    • Centralized Exchanges
    • Any kind of Marketing Efforts (please get in contact with @mastermined if you want to hold meetups)
    • Anything that asks for more than 150 DASH or more than 100.000 €/$ (read one hundred thousand euros or US-Dollars)
    • Any kind of Collaboration with authorities, government agencies or subcontractors for governments
    • Informal Economy or Agorist activity (There is no way i can verify if it's genuine or not, sorry)
    PAYMENT FOR LENDING
    • Repaying me 6 DASH (5 DASH proposal fee reimbursement + 1 DASH lending fee) after your proposal passed
    • Sharing any requested information about your project after funding (except user data or personal informations) with me and the community within 5 Days upon request.
    • Making an awesome project and bringing the DASH Network to the next level! :)

    These Terms are non negotiable.

    Best Regards from Germany

    AnCapitol
     
    #1 AnCapitol, Feb 23, 2018
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  2. AnCapitol

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    February 2018 Sponsoring:
    Dash Help Venezuela + Provided Materials and Informations within 5 Days

    April 2018 Sponsoring:
    TBA

    May 2018 Sponsoring:
    TBA

    June 2018 Sponsoring:
    TBA

    July 2018 Sponsoring:
    TBA

    Edit: Dash Help Venezuela Update
     
    #2 AnCapitol, Feb 23, 2018
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    Bravo!!
     
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    Great Approach @AnCapitol
    This will go a long way to help youngster to do projects for the network.
     
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    I'm like, super excited about this by the way.

    My name is Breanna and here is my Proposal.... as you read this, even though you're in Germany.... Imagine T'Challa and Wakanda :) (and I hope I have not shot myself in the foot by assuming that everyone in crypto is a Marvel Fan)

    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/2018-dash-hbcu-campus-tour.29647/
     
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    Quick reminder:

    If you want to get your proposal funded in the April round, you have to request the proposal fee lending until the end of March (31.3.2018).
    Please do so by posting in this thread as defined in the rules section above.



    Another note to all future proposal owners:
    If you want to succeed I would recommend viewing the proposal process more like a round in "Shark Tank" / "Die Höhle der Löwen" / "Tu Oportunidad" / "El Tanque".
    You have to bring your A-Game, have answers to any potential questions ready and be sure that you can deliver.
    Put yourself into the position of a MNO and ask yourself:
    • What is exactly the value that this proposal offers? If you can't put it in one (short) sentence, then it might not work.
    • Can you explain in detail why you need this amount of DASH? Can you start with a lower amount and if not why?
    • Does this proposal solve a real world problem or does it affect people in a positive way that enriches their lives?
    • Is your proposal not only marketing?
    • Would you invest your own money in it if you had it or would you rather just have this amount in DASH? If it's the latter, you shouldn't consider wasting everyones time with your proposal.
    The process of evaluating proposal is a very time consuming task for MNO and other community members. Posting B- or C-Grade proposals is a waste of valuable time and as good as an insult to the DAO (this is my personal opinion).
    If you are struggling with one of my suggested points, or the points of this great post by strophy, try to get help in the dashnation discord channel or ask in the forums.
    The DASH Community wants you to succeed, so feel free to ask in a polite manner.

    Best Regards from Germany

    AnCapitol
     
  9. demo

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    Do you also fund governance questions?
     
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    Would you care to elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you mean.
     
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    An example of a governance question is this:
    https://www.dashcentral.org/p/2mb-blocksize
    or this:
    https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Adaptive-Proposal-Fees

    There is no implementation specified in the governance questions.
    It just a "law" that the masternodes agree to respect.
    Or a declaration that the masternodes are committed to implement something, as long as it is feasible, and as soon as possible.
     
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  12. AnCapitol

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    @demo Okay now I get it.
    This is not exactly what I had in mind. If you want to pass a "law" you have to fund it yourself. I'm looking for real world projects here.
    You can still try to convince me, but please do so by providing a link to your pre-proposal.
    Fair warning though: I'm pretty blunt with my critique ;)
     
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    https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Adaptive-Proposal-Fees

    this one, of @GrandMasterDash. I would like the masternodes to re-vote for it.
     
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    Two points:
    1. It is already "law" by your definition, that the Fee shall not be adaptive.
    2. @GrandMasterDash should repay for it. It was his Idea. I understand the concept, but I don't see the necessity to do so. I'm fine with the 5 DASH Fee right now, because I want only A-Grade Proposals.
    As soon as the Proposal Fee hits 50k € (in 2018 purchasing power, not by hyperinflation) then I would recommend to lower it permanently.

    I'm lending the fee because I want new DASHers to better themselves by getting either valuable feedback to improve, or by getting a shot in the DASH Shark Tank.
     
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    I said "laws," I did not say "eternal laws". Laws can change. And should change when the people who once supported them are not active members of the community anymore.
    Your logic is flawed. The one who has 5 dash to spend because he is rich, he is not necessarily A-Grade class.
    We have @Pasta 's site http://www.dashboost.org/ for that.
     
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    I'm not arguing with you about my logic.

    I'm putting my own money on the line (no offense @Pasta ). You really shouldn't be implying what I do with my money, or at least straight up tell what you want to say.
     
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    What I am trying to tell you is that what your offer is almost useless, as long as @Pasta 's site exist and funds micro-proposals.
    The only usefullness of what you are offering, is whenever there is a governance question.
    @Pasta's site cannot support governance questions, so you should fill this gap, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

    If you think that a governance question has chances to pass, then you should fund it, and win 1 dash for this.
     
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    Thank you for your considerate thought, but I have to disagree.
     
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    For the record, I have no interest in re-submitting Adaptive Proposal Fees.

    And btw, if it had gone through, A-Grade proposals would still exist because it may well be MNOs choose 5 dash proposals or higher. The proposal wasn't simply to cut the fee, but to allow MNOs to experiment with, and ultimately set, whatever fee they wanted. Let the market decide the appropriate fees

    Anyway, it didn't work out so now my idea is to leave proposals at 5 dash, but allow MNOs to pay just 1 dash, one proposal per cycle. This way, it creates a marketplace for proposals; an incentive for MNOs to offer various services at different prices e.g. advice, escrow, translation etc. But I'm not submitting that either, it wouldn't pass.
     
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    Self-regulation is the key to any decentralized system. The same rigurocity with which proposals are criticized in a constructive way must be demanded even to participate in the forum.
    We can realize that the number of active proposals in the Network is not more than 50. And the budget that these demand does not exceed 40% of Total Available Budget.
    We must continue to contribute to the community that Dash still does not know and instruct them as @AnCapitol does. For more we add better community we will have.
     
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    So, did you lost your faith in Adaptive Proposal Fees, or not?
     
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    @demo I've read the thread and these are some grave accusations. As far as I know, these kind of cases should be investigated by DashWatch if I remeber correctly.
    I don't see why we need a second committee to check that.

    Therefore, I decline your request. Please come back when you have a proposal fleshed out.

    BUT: Follow my rules. If you violate them again I will ignore your future request. Especially:

     
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    @demo I seemed to have been unclear, so I will reiterate my rule for you one last time.
    If you want to be considered, you have to follow these steps:
    1. Create a new topic for your proposal in the pre-proposal section
    2. Explain your proposal in detail
    3. Come here and post the link to your pre-proposal discussion
    4. Wait for my Feedback.
    Posting one line in other peoples threads is the type of "proposal" that I will definitely not fund.

    If you don't want to invest 20 Minutes for writing a pre-proposal, why should I care?

    I will refrain from marking your post as trolling, but you are banned from posting other requests until the 15th May.
     
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    Although what you quoted, DashBoost will allow for, it does not mean that @AnCapitol should avoid doing something with his personal funds which he sees fit, I wish him the best of luck and hope his system will enhance the Dash network.


    Absolutely none taken! If people want to use the DashBoost platform or not is up to them and people can always do with their funds and time which they see fit.

    I am a supporter of market competition and even if @AnCapitol's system was a complete replica of DashBoost I would support him and hope the best for his platform. However, from my perspective it is not exactly the same; DashBoost will receive funding from the community and escrow services whereas @AnCapitol is a private lender and supporter. I wish you the best of luck @AnCapitol, if you ever need help of some kind or if you think we can work together please message me on Discord @Pasta or email me [email protected]
     
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    The governance questions are suppossed to be minimal, one or two lines maximum. Note also that the governance questions depend eachother, so you need a tree like structure to express them. The current linear structure of your thread may become unsuitable in case many governance questions arrive, so you need a threaded discussion structure. Or, if you insist in this linear discussion, you have to invent a tag system capable to reveal the interdependancies of the governance questions.

    Its up to you to decide whether you will fund governance questions or not. If you dont want to fund governance questions , just say it and I will stop posting here. The governance questions are too many, and they may flood your thread. So I respect your ban and I can wait for you to decide whether you will fund governance questions or not, until 15th May.

    But please, read and try to understand what I am talking about, before decide.
    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/ratings-demo-received.12739/page-2#post-112763
    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-discussion-dash-to-fund-tezos.11764/#post-108258
    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/matthew-7-6.8898/#post-108083
    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-discussion-dash-to-fund-tezos.11764/#post-108267
    Code:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mgaDpuMSc0&feature=youtu.be&t=2054
     
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    Dear MNOs, Dear @DashWatchTeam,

    I just want to confirm that @AlejandroE and DASH Help Venezuela have shared with me and the DACH Embassy their Training Material and Guidelines for Call Operators.
    I'm very impressed by the quality and depth of content.

    Best Regards from Germany
    AnCapitol
     
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