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Should Getfreedash sign up 1 million by asking for 500 dash per month ?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 40.0%
  • no

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • yes , but less than 500 dash

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes , but dont stop at 500 ask for 1000 dash :)

    Votes: 9 45.0%

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demo

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Can we not send 500tx's in a batch. Many people view the number of transactions on the network as a metric of health / price / adoption etc. I know this might cost a little more in fee's but will provide an accurate representation of how many actual tx's there are.
If you vote about it in the budget system, and fund the transaction fees of getfreedash, yes you can!

You could also vote the numbers, and decrease all transaction fees in general, thus fullfill your goal to increase the number of dash transactions. But of course if you decrease the transaction fee, miners will be unhappy, so you have to vote the numbers and change the "45miners/45mno/10budget" hardcoded numbers to something else that is better adaptive to the situation.
 
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I think that uphold is something like this , so we have done this discussion before. I dont like any solution that is towards centralization, the dash evolution included.

If you want the getfreedash clients to keep their decentralized freedom, then a solution is to fund their transaction fees, via a big mining farm which will do discounts in all transaction fees originated from getfreedash clients. Of course this will lead to mining centralization...

https://github.com/bitpay/copay/issues/5164#issuecomment-265569494



Any wallet can send Dash without any fee, you just have to find the settings for fee and pick 0. But if you have not a big miner friend capable to create blocks, then the transaction would probably get 0 confirmations and it will be stucked forever. If you have a big miner friend, you just send the transaction to him in order for him to include it into the next block he is (hopefully) about to discover.
ok demo , we will look into this
 

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ok demo , we will look into this
Furthermore another reason getfreedash users prefer centralized solutions like uphold e.t.c. it is because they dont want to wait for their wallet to synchronize. But this is NOT a user behavior we should welcome. Dash is a cryptocurrency, NOT a central bank!

The solution to this is to educate all getfreedash clients to download the https://github.com/UdjinM6/dash-bootstrap of @UdjinM6. If the getfreedash clients download the latest bootstrap, the time they have to wait for their wallet to syncronize will be minimized.
 
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Furthermore another reason getfreedash users prefer centralized solutions like uphold e.t.c. it is because they dont want to wait for their wallet to synchronize. But this is NOT a user behavior we should welcome. Dash is a cryptocurrency, NOT a central bank!

The solution to this is to educate all getfreedash clients to download the https://github.com/UdjinM6/dash-bootstrap of @UdjinM6. If the getfreedash clients download the latest bootstrap, the time they have to wait for their wallet to syncronize will be minimized.
I would not recommend these users ever touch a full node even with a bootstrap it's not friendly. https://mydashwallet.org/ is probably what i would recommend on a desktop. Though preferably the users in venezuela just use android/ios apps.
 

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No but now they will @HashEngineering :)
I'm not sure the app install stat is actually useful.

In my conversations with random people of reasonable or better intelligence, I often end up talking about DASH, having them install the app, and giving them $100 worth if DASH.

Checking back a few months later, most have never touched it again. A few looked into setting up an exchange account. They wanted to dump it for a free $100 bill. Of those, only one actually did it. The others found exchanges (Kraken mostly) too much of a hassle to be worth dumping for $100.

The bottom line take away: free $100 isn't worth the trouble. So, none of those app install really means anything. One, count that up, a whopping One person managed to dump for a free $100. Nobody else even cared enough to do that much, even after hours of conversation and saying it sounded amazing. Most of these were Pre-December...

You think they're going to do HD setups and pay into DashDrive's cloud?

"I can't actually spend it anywhere, so it's no better than Bitcoin." The only thing they care about after that is "How do I dump it?" Followed by finding out how and then "Fuck it, not worth the trouble, not even for $100."

Just another Ponzi. That's how it looks outside of the Cryptardosphere.

The upswing is that if you make it easier to spend DASH than to Ponzi it, which is inherently true and doesn't require anything, like I've been telling you for years, then you've got DASH as the portal through which all crypto retail traffic will flow. Cryptotards will flock to actually live the Satoshi promise fulfilled, and The Muggles will even start seeing it as useful, too.

If you do it... Which the DASH leadership and the DASH community have done everything in their power to prevent and avoid... So, whatevs... Even I decided trying to fix that problem was insurmountable... DASH hates itself and is utterly terrified of winning. No external force can fix that failing. It's up to every individual who has that failing to fix it in themselves.

I can only show you the door, you're the one who has to "be offended" and refuse to walk through it...

I tried to push you through the door. I tried to trick you into walking through it... Neither worked out. Now what? Sit around waiting for your head to pop out of your ass... I've got shit to do...
 
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demo

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I'm not sure the app install stat is actually useful.

In my conversations with random people of reasonable or better intelligence, I often end up talking about DASH, having them install the app, and giving them $100 worth if DASH.

Checking back a few months later, most have never touched it again. A few looked into setting up an exchange account. They wanted to dump it for a free $100 bill. Of those, only one actually did it. The others found exchanges (Kraken mostly) too much of a hassle to be worth dumping for $100.

The bottom line take away: free $100 isn't worth the trouble. So, none of those app install really means anything. One, count that up, a whopping One person managed to dump for a free $100. Nobody else even cared enough to do that much, even after hours of conversation and saying it sounded amazing. Most of these were Pre-December...
All this happened because the people you donated are outside the community, and because the crypto communities in general tend to be virtual and not real ones. In order for people to use cryptocurrencies , they need a strong community feeling, they need also to know how (and where and who) to ask (and to offer) services and products (by using the dash you donated to them).

This is exactly what this initiative (along with others too which involve merchant adoption and targeted geographic locations and of course cryptoparties) is trying to do. It is trying to create a community feeling, also transform the cryptocurrency economy from a virtual economy to a real one.

Dont forget, money is faith above all, and faith is non existant if there is not a community that surrounds that faith.
So in short, it is not enough for you to donate them dash.
You primarily have to inspire them faith, and a community feeling.



 
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Can we not send 500tx's in a batch. Many people view the number of transactions on the network as a metric of health / price / adoption etc. I know this might cost a little more in fee's but will provide an accurate representation of how many actual tx's there are.

@Stealth923 is there a proper documentation that can enable individual transactions , all i find is dash insight which doesn't work properly , going forward when we process 10,000 tx per day i believe using that would be good
 

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hi there,

i am guessing you probably havent been following our proposal deeply , if not please go through this pre-prosposal disucssion from the day we started it
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...5-000-signups-need-your-support-urgent.28708/

if you go through these posts one by one you will find that there has been lot of posts from local venezuelans saying how they found merchants using getfreedash to give free breakfasts to people to some e-commerce players using dash directly as a result of getfreedash campaigns.

last few days been very positive for getfreedash as we have been approached by many businesses like dashnearby.com dashinformer ( feedbands ) and some local businesses as well. The point is once you build a large user base that has been introduced to dash , you can guide them to use various services like remittances etc.

just to be clear, we are not donating the free dash to Venezuelans by giving the $1 in dash, we are marketing dash to them , similar to what paypal did when they gave $10 to users initially. Building a strong user base in venezuela will give us a superb leverage to use that user base to unlock other services, thats the plan and building that initial network efforts take a bit of time but thats what gives us the ultimate monopoly among the cryptos.

to answer your question main question, yes some of the dash is probably sold but not all however the more important thing we are introducing 1000s of folks to cryptocurrency and dash in specific , they get to download a dash wallet ( stats over here http://bit.ly/dashwallet+ ) and they watch an introductory dash video


and build a community because its introduced to them by their friends or local businesses ( because of the referral component ).

Now achieving all this at $1 per user is probably one of the cheapest customer acquisition campaigns out there and if we scale this to say a million users or more , Dash will be the undisputed king of cryptos in Venezuela going forward.


Once everyone knows dash can do these sort of mega campaigns people will start giving the respect we deserve :)
If you used Wistia instead of YouTube you could actually see what percentage of people actually make it to the end of the video, also I believe it would be easy to make sure that they actually watched the whole thing before continuing on with a callback URL trigger on completion.
 

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@Stealth923 is there a proper documentation that can enable individual transactions , all i find is dash insight which doesn't work properly , going forward when we process 10,000 tx per day i believe using that would be good
What do you mean Dash Insight doesn't work properly? I just ran 100k+ requests against that API and it worked fine.
 

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buenas noches, hay problemas con getfreedash en Venezuela no puedo cobrar mi usuario, alguien me podría dar información? gracias saludos
 

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@Dashmaximalist - I have done some quick analysis on the data you gave based on 46789 records can you please explain

a) Why there are so many addresses with dollars given greater than $0.50 - there are some with $100+, how can this happen for a single address?
b) You have given a total of $34,816 and with $5,468 given to duplicate addresses.

 
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Hi @Stealth923

This is not a fraud behaviour per se. There are lot of people who refer a lot of them and we process all the amount in one shot. Hence the reason for more than $0.5

In fact some of them have referred 100s of folks so they a lot more money obviossly.

Trying to decrease the no of txns ( which will change from next month ), we have mandated a minimum of $1 for second time withdrawal on wards ...

Hope this helps
 

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Hi @Stealth923

This is not a fraud behaviour per se. There are lot of people who refer a lot of them and we process all the amount in one shot. Hence the reason for more than $0.5

In fact some of them have referred 100s of folks so they a lot more money obviossly.

Trying to decrease the no of txns ( which will change from next month ), we have mandated a minimum of $1 for second time withdrawal on wards ...

Hope this helps
Thanks for the clarification on this! - all good.
 

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Thanks for the clarification on this! - all good.
If you still doubt about the transactions, you may choose some random (or selected) wallets, ask the relevant phone numbers from @Dashmaximalist, and make phone calls to them in order to confirm they are real persons and not fake accounts.
A list of dash addresses associated with a phone number is a nice (although imperfect) proof of individuality. Can you upload this list somewhere? Only the dash addresses of the individuals of course, not their phone numbers! In case some malicious masternode owners (yes we have a lot of stupid and spies in the dash community) accuse you of posting fake addresses in the list, you may challenge them and ask them to randomly select some dash addresses. Then you will reveal to an elected (by the masternodes) committee the corresponding phone numbers, in order for the commitee to call and confirm that these dash addresses belong to real and separate individuals.
There is a flaw in the above protocol of mine. @Dashmaximalist may hide the fake phone numbers and may give to the commitee phone numbers which do not correspod to the wallet in target. In order to solve this, the whole transactions file (along with its names and phone numbers) should exist somewhere in public but hashed (or encrypted).

And in order for the committee to make the phone call and check the validity, @Dashmaximalist should reveal to the commitee the name and the phone number and the commity should crosscheck their combined hash value it has been previously given publicly (or alternatively he may give to the commitee the corresponding private key to decrypt)

Code:
#!/bin/bash
nickname_and_phone_number_hashID=`bc <<<ibase=16\;$(sha1sum <<<$nickname_and_phone_number|tr a-z A-Z)0`
 
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@Dashmaximalist

Your proposal is among the few that are working with transparency and efficiency and you are paying price for both.
Best roi of all proposals no doubt.

I have respect for your work but the respect went down after you starting supporting swann to gain votes.

You should continue to speak your mind irrespective of what happens to your own proposal.

I can't imagine a smart guy like you thinks it makes sense to spend dash on making private studios.
 

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Thanks for your support amidst a barrage of no votes , it's very motivating to hear this.

About Ben's proposal, it doesn't make sense from ROI point of view but the work he is doing pretty important no doubt about that. I still stand by that.

If we had more money for DAO it's definitely worth supporting but now looks like many other proposals will go for a toss owing to unprecedented proposal flood.
 
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@demo just when we think you are starting to make sense, you go off the tangent in a moment !!
The getfreedash system relies on the trust the masternodes community has on you. But we are supposed to built trustless systems, this is what satoshi taught us.

In order to make your system trustless, you have to add a column in the transactions file you publish, and give the hash value of the name and phone number. This is how you are commited in the future, in case an elected commitee ask you to reveal the phone number and the name of a random wallet (in order they make a phone call and check whether he is a real person or a fake one) , that you will reveal the correct one.

Code:
#!/bin/bash
nickname_and_phone_number_hashID=`bc <<<ibase=16\;$(sha1sum <<<$nickname_and_phone_number|tr a-z A-Z)0`
 
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Thanks for your support amidst a barrage of no votes , it's very motivating to hear this.

About Ben's proposal , it does make sense from ROI point of view but the work he is doing pretty important no doubt about that. I still stand by that.

If we had more money for dao its definitely worth supporting but now looks like many other proposals will go for a toss owing to unprecedented proposal flood.
Do you think we should spend 3200 dash for constructing a private studio?
 

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Do you think we should spend 3200 dash for constructing a private studio?
its not an Yes or no answer.

Do I like Ben's project and want to support it- Yes
Should we spend 3200 dash ? I haven't looked at all the details, so I can't comment, but from what I understand from reading others comments, I would want to look at in-depth financials and any cost savings possible

one more thing, please stop the discussing Ben's Project on this thread, let's do it in other threads if needed
 

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Okay. Best of luck for your work. I am in awe of what you have accomplished.

Unfortunately,You have paid a very heavy price for doing brilliant and transparent work.

I think you should learn how not to take on any metrics from other "experts" like Ben, Dashaerosports etc
 

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https://www.dashcentral.org/p/dash-intel
@Dash_Intel (proposal of @DashNexus ) said:

"Spoke with a DashWatch representative (@paragon) yesterday about working together and sharing our data. This has always been the goal and we encourage other groups to reach out with research goals and questions we might be able to answer. We've also done some preliminary analysis on the success of the GetFreeDash giveaway program in response to a suggestion by @Walter. Early results indicate that approximately 75% of those given free Dash keep it in their wallets and don't spend it, while about 25% have 'spent' 100% of what they were given. It's entirely possible that the reason these people aren't spending it is because most of the giveaways have occurred during the recent downturn in the crypto markets and people would rather wait to sell it when it's worth more. Or, it's possible that they don't have a very good way to go about exchanging it or spending it. It warrants further research and our next course of action would probably be to look at how long those who received Dash and then spent it waited to do so. Was it immediate? or did they wait until the price was higher than when they received it"

Their conclusion is similar to mine.
http://demodun.github.io/dividendwatch
https://demodun.github.io/dividendwatch/p25.html

The only difference is that I publish both the code and my results. They do not, until they get funded by the MNOs. I hope, in case dash_intel gets funded (which I hope), to publish both their code and their results, in order for their system to be trustless and everyone to be able to crosscheck their conclusions.

Furthermore @Dashmaximalist shoud welcome all efforts towards dividend transparency, and especially encourage @Antti Kaikkonen to work for it.

Let me report it also here, that @Antti Kaikkonen 's job (dashradar) can help A LOT in case we want to spot potential frauds that occur into getfreedash dividend.

One of the reasons this proposal is downvoted, it is because the MNOs require more transparency from the getfreedash project, than the one currently given. The transactions should be automated and reported online in the runtime!!!!! And another reason I think it is that because they require getfreedash to be designed in a trustless way.

@Dashmaximalist, you have 7 days left until the end of the vote , so give me the chance to automate your damned system!!!
400000 people are waiting for you to give them the dividend they deserve!!!!

 
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I was lived in a communist country where the communist leaders like to spend others’ money this way.

Of course the leaders who give away free money will get more ballots of poor people. But in the long term in can devastating the economy of the country.
 

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I was lived in a communist country where the communist leaders like to spend others’ money.
And I was lived in a capitalist country where the capitalist leaders like to spend others’ money (by taxing people).
And I am living now in the dash nation, where the core team leaders like to spend the community's money in a percentage 45% miners, 45% masternode owners, and 10% budget.
So whats the difference?
 

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And I was lived in a capitalist country where the capitalist leaders like to spend others’ money (by taxing people).
And I am living now in the dash nation, where the core team leaders like to spend the community's money in a percentage 45% miners, 45% masternode owners, and 10% budget.
So whats the difference?
Many capital countries gradually have bigger governments and gradually moving closer to communist. That’s why we need decentralization, cryptocurrency and small government.
 

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Many capital countries gradually have bigger governments and gradually moving closer to communist. That’s why we need decentralization, cryptocurrency and small government.
If you have small government, then the capitalist and communist countries with the big govenrments will conquer you by arms, force, violence and censorship. They are already doing it, by censoring cryptos in google, facebook and twitter, by massively buying and selling cryptos in order to destabilize the cryptomarket, and of course by injecting spies into the cryptos' core teams.

What you need is decentralization, cryptocurrency and intense governance (which means low proposal fees for government proposals)

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