RC5 Launch (MANDATORY UPDATE)

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How does the enforcement work with the pools that are on the right version but are choosing to pay 10%. Will it automatically bump payouts to 20% or orphan their blocks?
 

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Sidenote, I'd love to see that switch flipped at 80%. I don't think we've been >90% compliant in a while, trickled back to 78-84ish iirc.
 

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Sidenote, I'd love to see that switch flipped at 80%. I don't think we've been >90% compliant in a while, trickled back to 78-84ish iirc.
The max was 92% if I remember good when there was dedicatedpool as a good actor...what last not much ;)
 

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eduffield -- I hate to keep reporting the same errors, but if I may, could I ask for your attention to the following things that bother me (and I'm sure others as well). This is windows wallet, v0.10.13.15. I started out trying to anonymize 50 DRK, 2 rounds. After waiting for a while, nothing happened so I decided to try different amounts to look for denominating peers. So I changed to 10, 20, 30, then finally 40 (same 2 rounds each). Here's the result:
  • My wallet finally got 38 DRK anonymized (and not 40 DRK as specified),
  • but the progress bar says 100%.
  • The wallet is done with the anonymization by looking at Darksend Status: disabled, the "Start/Stop" button, and no more Denominate fees,
  • but the encryption is still unlocked.
  • I was charged with not 2, but 3 Darksend Denominate fees (I don't mind because the fees are still cheap, but why 3 fees for 2 rounds?)
  • It seems by changing the settings (amount, rounds), it confuses Darksend (?), which shouldn't happen because users will change their settings often. (Note: I turned off the "Start/Stop Anonymization" button before changing the settings and then turned it back on every time, but to me it doesn't seem matter whether you turn it off or not before you change the settings as I've seen during testnet.)
  • Good thing: there's no endless "Payment to yourself" fees this time! :)
Here's the screenshot of the wallet:

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Transaction screen:

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and Coin Control screen:

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Thank you, Evan, for all your great work! If I need to submit this to JIRA, please let me know.
 
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Transaction confirmations on Mainnet have been slowed down for some reason. Has anyone else experienced this?
 

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Doesn't seem to work for me; I've tried a couple of times to anonymize just 2 coins/2 rounds...
Progress bar stuck at 50%, message display doesn't change from "Darksend is idle"
 

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Doesn't seem to work for me; I've tried a couple of times to anonymize just 2 coins/2 rounds...
Progress bar stuck at 50%, message display doesn't change from "Darksend is idle"
Let's try this: settings: 10000 drk to keep anonymized, 8 rounds. I know you don't have 10000 drk, but that's what i'm doing with another person, so if you change your settings to that, let's see if it can work for you. :)
 

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Let's try this: settings: 10000 drk to keep anonymized, 8 rounds. I know you don't have 10000 drk, but that's what i'm doing with another person, so if you change your settings to that, let's see if it can work for you. :)
I'll give it a try... Thx!
 
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moli

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Still sitting with "Darksend is Idle"
Lol... but at least that progress bar looks different (1/8) 12%
It will take some time, so just wait for a little while and see if it will anonymize for you. Have you got any Denominate fee yet?
 

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It will take some time, so just wait for a little while and see if it will anonymize for you. Have you got any Denominate fee yet?
Got "Payment to self" .001 and "Darksend Denominate" .0125 payments out... I'll be patient
Actually had this exact same scenario last night... Stuck @ 1 round, same 2 payment amounts out... for probably 6 hrs before I gave up
 

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Got "Payment to self" .001 and "Darksend Denominate" .0125 payments out... I'll be patient
Actually had this exact same scenario last night... Stuck @ 1 round, same 2 payment amounts out... for probably 6 hrs before I gave up
Oh, that happens when there're not many people mixing their coins.
So far I've got 5 Denominate fees. We're supposed to get at least 8 Denom fees, one for each round.
 

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Oh, that happens when there're not many people mixing their coins.
So far I've got 5 Denominate fees. We're supposed to get at least 8 Denom fees, one for each round.
No worries, I'll leave it sit a while. I don't really need to denominate any coins, just wanted to see how it works.
Thx moli for your help!
 

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No worries, I'll leave it sit a while. I don't really need to denominate any coins, just wanted to see how it works.
Thx moli for your help!
Hm.. so your coins didn't anonymize at all? I've got my 69 DRK anonymized and i'm done. If you want to start over, i can pair with you, just give me a few minutes.
 

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Hm.. so your coins didn't anonymize at all? I've got my 69 DRK anonymized and i'm done. If you want to start over, i can pair with you, just give me a few minutes.
Right, none anonymized... As it went through 1 round, status would change from Sitting idle, Waiting in queue, Awaiting more inputs, etc... I figured it was needing input to pair with. But now it just sits there "Idle", doesn't contact MN or wait in queue.

I'll just transfer my coins back to regular wallet. Again, thanks for your help
 

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Right, none anonymized... As it went through 1 round, status would change from Sitting idle, Waiting in queue, Awaiting more inputs, etc... I figured it was needing input to pair with. But now it just sits there "Idle", doesn't contact MN or wait in queue.

I'll just transfer my coins back to regular wallet. Again, thanks for your help
You're welcome. If you would like for me to pair with you, I'm available now. How about let's start from scratch. I'm going to send all my 71 DRK to myself using "No Preference" and that will make me start over. Just tell me how many coins you want to anonymize, okay? :)
 

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Doesn't it defeat the purpose of anonymity if you all are announcing each other how much you are denominating and when? Shouldn't the process already know how to break inputs down into common denominations and be able to pair with other denominations already in the pool?
 

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Doesn't it defeat the purpose of anonymity if you all are announcing each other how much you are denominating and when? Shouldn't the process already know how to break inputs down into common denominations and be able to pair with other denominations already in the pool?
I still don't know who you are.. lol...
This is still in the testing phase on mainnet actually, to get people know how DS works. So I'm offering to pair with them. If not, I'm afraid people would think this doesn't work and give up.
 

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I still don't know who you are.. lol...
This is still in the testing phase on mainnet actually, to get people know how DS works. So I'm offering to pair with them. If not, I'm afraid people would think this doesn't work and give up.
Evan is still working on resolving microwallets, especially wallets trying to darksend with 10 or less coins.
 

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Evan is still working on resolving microwallets, especially wallets trying to darksend with 10 or less coins.
Oh he is? I think more likely people who want DS are big pocket users. But I think the main reason is there're not enough people mixing their coins on Mainnet yet, not until DRK goes booming... :)
 

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Oh he is? I think more likely people who want DS are big pocket users. But I think the main reason is there're not enough people mixing their coins on Mainnet yet, not until DRK goes booming... :)
Yep, I sent him the wallet.dat and debug file from testnet. Hopefully the issue is resolved soon. My fear is that there will be a lot of users who are new trying small amounts to get their feet wet and if those wallets don't work, it's not going to give way to larger wallets. Besides, there are more people with <1000 DRK wallets that smaller wallets need to be a priority fix.
 

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Yep, I sent him the wallet.dat and debug file from testnet. Hopefully the issue is resolved soon. My fear is that there will be a lot of users who are new trying small amounts to get their feet wet and if those wallets don't work, it's not going to give way to larger wallets. Besides, there are more people with <1000 DRK wallets that smaller wallets need to be a priority fix.
OK oblox, I have someone on IRC, we're ready to test a small amount at your wish, want to join us? Get on freenode IRC too so we can talk :)
 

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OK oblox, I have someone on IRC, we're ready to test a small amount at your wish, want to join us? Get on freenode IRC too so we can talk :)
I think you're right, there must be a bug in anonymizing small amounts and so far we know anonymizing only 2 drk is not possible, as you saw last night in the IRC channel what we did. I'm just reporting here to let the devs and everyone know. Another participant with 2 clients and I tried to anonymize 2 DRK.

All 3 clients had the same settings: 2 DRK to keep anonymized, 4 rounds.

Here's the result - The other participant said:

[22:33:44] <shlermb> both fresh, both sent 2drk, both set 2drk/4rnds. now show balance: 1.9865, completion: 100%, coin control shows 1drk having 1 round.
[22:33:55] <shlermb> anonymized: 0

At first , my wallet received 1 "Payment to yourself" fee... Then the waiting... After a while Darksend Status said "Disabled", BUT the "Start/Stop" button said "Stop Anonymization", meaning that DS was still on and the anonymization was still going!! Then I clicked on the button, it did not change one way or another, like it was being froze, (Windows wallet, v.10.13.15). I then had to exit the wallet and restarted it. The wallet seemed back to normal, the "Start/Stop" button seemed normal again. I clicked on the button to start DS again, but it did not do anything, still no Denominate fee ever happened, and 0 anon DRK. I saved the screenshot of my wallet:

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Hopefully, eduffield or flare will have time to look into this. :)
I think newbies are wanting to know how DS works and they start out with just a few Darkcoins, and when they try to anonymize 2 or 3 drk but it doesn't happen, they might think this doesn't work. :sad:
 

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Hopefully, eduffield or flare will have time to look into this. :)
I think newbies are wanting to know how DS works and they start out with just a few Darkcoins, and when they try to anonymize 2 or 3 drk but it doesn't happen, they might think this doesn't work. :sad:
That was precisely my logic and why I submitted JIRA 90 as well as personally emailed Evan about it.