v0.10.13.x RC5 Testing

qwizzie · Sep 13, 2014

Ppl who got stuck with denominations (hours and hours since last denomination) check your debug.log and see which amount Darksend+ is trying to pair with.
Watch for this line : Submiting Darksend for ......

If the amount is a rare amount then stop darksend+ and calculate which amount would make it easily pairable again .. the rest of the amount will
need to go outside yr wallet. This needs to be done through coin control by selecting those amounts with the lesser rounds then start Darksend+ again.
note : so only select those amounts with lesser rounds that make it a rare amount... normal amounts are 1-10-100-500-1024-4096
lets say for example darksend+ is trying to pair 550 then only 50 of those lesser rounds needs to go out.

My own wallet is now happily denominating again after having stuck for 15 hours trying to pair a 600 amount which is rather rare. I sent 100 out and it worked again.

Stealth923 · Sep 13, 2014

got my 3 wallets going - denominated 3 wallets with 1000 DRK 8 rounds in 30 min...insanely fast!!! will keep them topped up and constantly denominating so other people can benefit

status bar looks like its working accurately too!!

I can feel it - open source is close!

DrkMiner · Sep 13, 2014

Anyone trying small amounts? 10, 20 DRK?

Darksend is idle for hours. Trying 10 DRK/2 rounds.

moli · Sep 13, 2014

I'm testing 5000 tdrk, 4 rounds. Just got another tester to join us testing the same amount. So far my wallet got 4 DS denominate fees, but 0 anon tdrk.

eduffield · Sep 13, 2014

****** PLEASE UPDATE TO v9.13.9 (Stable) OR 10.13.9 (RC) *******

There's good reason why we don't use three participants for DS on testnet, there's just not enough wallets to combine with to keep the network going all of the time. I really just wanted to make sure 3 worked, so we could use it on mainnet.

- Testnet merges use two, while mainnet merges will use 3 participants
- Fixed the endless splitting issue causes by splitting 1000DRK and not making a DS compatible input

(waiting for flare's excellent compiling service)

DrkMiner · Sep 13, 2014

Great!
Kept getting "Payment to yourself".
Could we change that message to "Denominate"?

We could have tried 3 participants on the testnet.

We just have to setup time that ALL tester will try any amount with max of 20 DRK.

Than different time for 100 DRK etc...

jpr · Sep 13, 2014

Now when I just installed 10.13.8

JGCMiner · Sep 13, 2014

DrkMiner said:
Great!
Kept getting "Payment to yourself".
Could we change that message to "Denominate"?

There is already a message called "Darksend Denominate"... Maybe splitting inputs? Dunno

DrkMiner · Sep 13, 2014

JGCMiner said:
There is already a message called "Darksend Denominate"... Maybe splitting inputs? Dunno

In the Transaction tab, have a better "type" description

flare · Sep 13, 2014

eduffield said:
****** PLEASE UPDATE TO v9.13.9 (Stable) OR 10.13.9 (RC) *******

There's good reason why we don't use three participants for DS on testnet, there's just not enough wallets to combine with to keep the network going all of the time. I really just wanted to make sure 3 worked, so we could use it on mainnet.

- Testnet merges use two, while mainnet merges will use 3 participants
- Fixed the endless splitting issue causes by splitting 1000DRK and not making a DS compatible input

(waiting for flare's excellent compiling service)

kryptofoo · Sep 13, 2014

qwizzie said:
Ppl who got stuck with denominations (hours and hours since last denomination) check your debug.log and see which amount Darksend+ is trying to pair with.
Watch for this line : Submiting Darksend for ......

If the amount is a rare amount then stop darksend+ and calculate which amount would make it easily pairable again .. the rest of the amount will
need to go outside yr wallet. This needs to be done through coin control by selecting those amounts with the lesser rounds then start Darksend+ again.
note : so only select those amounts with lesser rounds that make it a rare amount... normal amounts are 1-10-100-500-1024-4096
lets say for example darksend+ is trying to pair 550 then only 50 of those lesser rounds needs to go out.

My own wallet is now happily denominating again after having stuck for 15 hours trying to pair a 600 amount which is rather rare. I sent 100 out and it worked again.

If this is truly what we need to do to use darksend, the average user will be lost. I hope this is only an artifact of so few users on testnet.

jpr · Sep 13, 2014

1 hour after downloading 10.13.9 I've got 1998/5000 anonymized coins with 4 rounds

moli · Sep 13, 2014

Not sure if we have to do like what qwizzie said, but definitely this currency isn't for an average user who has no intention to learn how it works, and not easy to like it at the beginning. But i think once it's understood, the popularity will grow.

qwizzie · Sep 13, 2014

what i described was only a temporarily fix for wallets that didnt receive any denominations for several hours while we were awaiting further news.

Unfortunetely the exact same thing is happening with my large wallet again (20.000 with amount / round .. 19000 / 8) with this new update.
Again i get stuck when its trying to pair a 600 amount.

I have setup my laptop with the same amount and will see if that pairs in the end with my pc's large wallet.

edit : my laptop paired with my pc wallet and got the 600 amount moving again.

Conclusion : not getting Darksend denominations for a long time seems to be related to Testnet (too few ppl testing the exact same wallets and wallet conditions)

oblox · Sep 13, 2014

Still nothing on on v39. Grouped the N/A rounds of odd amounts and sent them back to the same main address. Nothing happening as of yet and that was 73 confirms ago.

qwizzie · Sep 13, 2014

oblox said:
Still nothing on on v39. Grouped the N/A rounds of odd amounts and sent them back to the same main address. Nothing happening as of yet and that was 73 confirms ago.

best to start over again together with someone else who is doing the exact same wallet amount / amount to anonymize and rounds .. so you two can form pairs.
I'm pairing my 20.000 with my laptop and its denominating like crazy now..

DrkMiner · Sep 13, 2014

Trying to pair 20 DRK.
Could someone please try 20?

innergy · Sep 13, 2014

DrkMiner said:
Trying to pair 20 DRK.
Could someone please try 20?

Done.. it started but I don't get it how it works at all

Why we both should have 20?

jpr · Sep 13, 2014

Ok. 10.13.9, linux here. Set it to 5000 with 4 rounds and got 4396/5000 anonymized already

qwizzie · Sep 13, 2014

Here is something to think about :

Darksend seems to merge certain input amounts depending on walletsize that can in the end only be paired with other users who are using the exact same wallet size for anonymization.
If that input amount that gets merged at some point can not be paired, it will blockade further denominations.

Example : 20.000 wallet will at some point (early on) combine a 100 & 500 input into a 600 amount which then needs to be paired with another 600 amount to sent the last two inputs (100 & 500) to round 8 before it will start tackling the larger inputs. Unfortunetely these 600 amounts only originate from the 20.000 wallets going through anonymization.... so only other 20.000 wallet users going through anonymization will help this wallet further.

Other wallet sizes will have other input amount merges that will need to be paired with users who are trying to anonymize those exact same size wallets.

Maybe we should investigate which walletsize is tripping over which amount ...

edit : if i were a big bagholder on Mainnet and wanted to anonymize a large wallet i would split the wallet over three equal walletsizes on three different pc's or laptops so that they can pair those early walletsize specific amounts if necessary.

DrkMiner · Sep 13, 2014

innergy said:
Done.. it started but I don't get it how it works at all Why we both should have 20?

Thanks!

Still waiting... no matching

moli · Sep 14, 2014

I'm testing 5000 tdrk, 4 rounds. If anyone wants to pair, please do. Thanks.

EDIT: So far I've got 3857 tdrk anonymized. The wallet has been moving nicely. I love it when it says "Darksend request complete: Transaction Created Successfully" before another junk of drk is allocated to "Unconfirmed".

moli · Sep 14, 2014

The anonymization has finished. My wallet now has 5456 anon tdrk.

Coin Control shows how the money was split up in the final step:

innergy · Sep 14, 2014

DrkMiner said:
Thanks!

Still waiting... no matching

My 20 were anonymized to 30.00000012 (2x10.00000001 plus 10x1.00000001)... I just don't get it. Where I can read how the denomination in Darksend+ works. When I set 20 I'm expecting a simple denomination of 2x10.00000001

The difference between "Amount and round" and "Anonymised" must be 1DRK at most, etc.

234.567 > 2x100.00000001, 3x10.00000001, 5x1.00000001 > 235.00000010
or
159.159 > 1x100.00000001, 6x10.00000001 > 160.00000007

Am I missing something?

moli · Sep 14, 2014

innergy said:
My 20 were anonymized to 30.00000012 (2x10.00000001 plus 10x1.00000001)... I just don't get it. Where I can read how the denomination in Darksend+ works. When I set 20 I'm expecting a simple denomination of 2x10.00000001

The difference between "Amount and round" and "Anonymised" must be 1DRK at most, etc.

234.567 > 2x100.00000001, 3x10.00000001, 5x1.00000001 > 235.00000010
or
159.159 > 1x100.00000001, 6x10.00000001 > 160.00000007

Am I missing something?

The result is not a hard set of your threshold. Here are the links where Evan explains how Darksend+ works:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-updates-july-15th.1788/
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-july-30th.1924/

defunctec · Sep 14, 2014

If i can use darkcoin, so can 80-90% of crypto users

Im trying to denominate 400 at 8 rounds, can someone help plz

moli · Sep 14, 2014

defunctec said:
If i can use darkcoin, so can 80-90% of crypto users

Im trying to denominate 400 at 8 rounds, can someone help plz

Agreed. Setting up my wallet to pair right now.

moli · Sep 14, 2014

What does it mean "Masternode queue is full" ? And the windows wallet still shows the spelling error "Wll try again."

moli · Sep 14, 2014

kryptofoo said:
Also, is it possible there are too few masternodes on the testnet? I see 15 running v08. If my coins have already been run through one masternode, I assume they would not be processed another round in the same masternode(?). Maybe our coins have to match not only denomiations but also match on a current masternode that neither of us has mixed with previously. Is that how this works?

In the diagram where Evan explains how Darksend works, it looks like 8 masternodes are enough to handle transactions, basically:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-updates-july-15th.1788/

Edit: And if I'm not mistaken, one functioning masternode is adequate to create the network to handle everything.

Diirk · Sep 14, 2014

Another user interface concern from my side (please note that I am an industry expert in user interface and design).

I think the use of a progress bar to indicate how many coins have been anonymized is misleading to new users.

Progress bars are usually used to indicate the progress of a download, installation or file transfer. The main goal is to reach 100%. If progress bar does not reach 100%, the operation will be useless in all cases.

With darksend+ this is not the case; anonimizing 30% of your coins and then stopping could be a useful operation depending on the user's needs and intentions. It is not the main goal to reach 100%, or at least, not always.

I'm worried that the user will think he has to anonimize 100% of coins in order to have a successful operation, due to the use of a progress bar which I think is a misleading control in this case as it will be associated with common uses. It is arguably even a wrong use of this control, but I'm not sure of that. Percentage is a secondary type of information in this case, but it is presented as primary due to use of control.

To de-emphasize the anonimized coins in relation to total number of coins in wallet by making it a secondary piece of information, I suggest the following:
1) Instead of a progress bar, simply display percentage in text. Remove progress bar. Example format: "x of y coins are now anonymous (z%)" -- presenting the text like this will clarify the immediateness of the progress further in case of any remaining confusion.
2) To give the user the sense of a process being active, display an animated spinner or indeterminate progress bar while anonimization is active. An intermediate progress bar uses motion or some other indicator to show that progress is taking place, rather than using the size of the filled portion to show the total amount of progress.

Thoughts? I wouldn't say this is critical for RC5, unlike the addition of Start/Stop button, which was a massive win.

Diirk (coinzcoinzcoinz on BTCtalk)

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