Ha! Nice! I did the same thing yesterday when I was making that last one, but didn't want to overplay the point (and, it's a little wacky)...I don't think any of this need to happen now. It will cause all kinds of problems without much (if any) benefit. There are plenty of well put comments against making changes (such as the one with Amanda's video), so I will no go on about it. If for some reason we are really itching for a new logo as a community, then let me just say I'd rather be evolutionary, rather than revolutionary.
My quick mock-up of a slightly softer logo.
Well that's approximately half the population of humanity discounted for... How do we go about eliminating the rest?After sleeping on the new logo pre-proposal - visual identity. I now know what the O+M color palette used reminds me of. The colors used are very progressive aren't they in the gender identity political sense. A bit too feminine for my liking.
The Dash "D" isn't truly "Iconic".. 99% of the world population doesn't even know it exists..?One day later, I agree that the current logo is really great, and the "a" T&C logo is a bit undefined. The Dash "D" truly is iconic, or will be once the product is actually usable by everyone (more work on this please) and the forward leaning makes it look like it's really fast. I do like the softening of the corners as seen below, (attachment 6705, second image) but that's it.
Why? Why should it set alarm bells ringing? Is our current logo immune from the forces of popular opinion?- The data to support the O&M logo is pretty low quality imo, even their truly horrible logo #3 fared much better than our current logo in the tests they used which should set alarm bells ringing.
Don’t be sorry. I appreciate this kind of honesty. Personally the Ogilvie Mather looks like some children’s toy design or something they still from someone at burning man. Ridiculous. €88,000 they paid for this? That is hilarious.Oh gosh, I hate to say it but I really dislike both of them very much and prefer what we have. Sorry.
I think this is where I was 2 days ago when Fernando first posted his results. But I've come to the realization that even if we kept the old Dash logo/branding, this exercise was a smart move. Still I don't have the answers I would like.After sleeping on the new logo pre-proposal - visual identity. I now know what the O+M color palette used reminds me of. The colors used are very progressive aren't they in the gender identity political sense. A bit too feminine for my liking. I also echo others after looking at their polling results I think it was unfair that they used the same gradient on original logo when performing survey. Just my 2 cents. I'm currently leaning more towards keeping original current logo.
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I'm also concerned from a distance O+M logo is very hard to identify. It looks like a scribble. I tested it as a favicon on web browser. It looks like a paper clip.
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Also using as O+M logo as a currency symbol is causing me some concerns. The problem is the lines are too thin so blur when size is decreased. Take the Dash mobile wallet for example to showcase what I mean:
Current logo vs O+M Logo
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As of right now. My preference would be too keep orignal from a practical perspective.
From a purely selfish point of view. I also find the O+M logo too restricting in my line of work. I've created well over a 1000 images with current Dash logo not including memes, gifs and t shirt designs. I feel rather limited by the double D and it's proving hard to work with already. I can use the current solo D logo easily to incorporate and manipulate in to images for news articles or even photo manipulation for jokey memes. Just looking at exisitng t shirt designs replacing with the DD logo is not pleasing to the eye.
The simplicty of current logo over O+M is important to recognize especially for languages that do not use the same alphabet. If you were living in China & did not know English. If I showed you each logo for 3 seconds and then asked you to draw it on a piece of paper. The current D only consists of 2 simple lines so easy a kid could draw it regardless of native language. The O+M paperclip is too complex to accuratley replicate, would it be recognizable when you factor in design angle etc. Don't believe me try it yourself. Also if you have kids ask them to take the 3 second logo Dash draw challenge.
Which logo is more recognizable?
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Is it a diamond? is it DareDevil? is it an hourglass? or is it a paperclip?
O+M logo reminds me too much of Clippy from Windows XP 2001.
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The current Dash D has more use as we've seen international communities take ownership proudly using overlays with their nation flags. You are way too limited to customize O+M logo due to thin lines.
With all that being said. I don't like the T&C logo either. It feels like it's been forced when it's not needed. It's about what is fit for purpose. I think this whole rebranding exercise has made me realize just how strong and versatile our current logo is in terms of applications and various media it is used in.
For that reason alone I see no justification for change just for the sake of changing. There was no dissatisfaction with current logo. All value is belief. It's the utility and benefits Dash provides that will carry Dash to the top not the packaging.
We're trying way too hard, trying to fix a problem that doesn't need fixing. The free market will ultimately decide via natural selction if we're truly the best solution in our field. Not based on logo but on functionality and ease of use alone. In my opinion we should be focussing our energy developing the functionality and continue to build from within. Fancy packaging only gets you so far, it's what's inside that counts that determines if people will use Dash again and again.
I'm proud when I tell people about our current Dash logo as last time round the final result was an amalgamation of multiple logo entries by community and it has stood the test of time. I'm proud of that history and I'm not convinced it needs changing.
It's a large scale marketing advertising outreach strategy campaign where we need the help most not the logo.
In my opinion all this time, energy and Dash spent on this exercise is a bitter pill to swallow as we could of been advertising and doing outreach efforts for months now utilizing social media platforms what we already had in our arsenal prior to ban announcements. I feel we've missed a real opportunity here. C'est la vie, life goes on.
I'm a true blue Dash fan through and through. If you want folks to know Dash is the champion of digital cash then throw a crown on the current D logo. Get creative and get the message right, don't try and reinvent the wheel from scratch at the expense of losing our identity and history with O+M logo. It's all about the journey folks. Besides Dash is no longer 2 layer. As we learnt in recent Evolution Demo 1 video Dash will be more a blockchain cube. So O+M logo is already outdated in that context.
Nice analysis. I agree. The more I look at the T&C design, the more I like it. It respects and refers nicely to our original logo while looking updated, not militaristic at all and different than any font I have seen, so truly original in a subtle and nuanced way.I think this is where I was 2 days ago when Fernando first posted his results. But I've come to the realization that even if we kept the old Dash logo/branding, this exercise was a smart move. Still I don't have the answers I would like.
The reason for doing all of this is to evaluate our brand identity before the big public push. We were supposed to get data on researching public opinion. I take exception to the fact that the logo for O&M in their forms appears to have been comparing a simple DASH to logo/Dash. Would it have gotten the same results if they had used the Dash D as a logo with "Dash" underneath or the whole word DASH with Digital Cash underneath (which really tells it all)? I don't know, they didn't do that. Visually, the DD design is undoubtedly more interesting, but unfortunately, people have shown how common and not unique this idea is.
I am not happy with the research. I am not convinced. However, unlike Mark, I do see limitations to our current DASH logo. It's blocky (which was cool) but also makes it look masculine (not necessarily bad) and militaristic (a bit bad)
I didn't like the T&C proposal at all at first. It wasn't much different than what we had. Why bother changing I thought? Then I realized there was subtle brilliance in that proposal. It keeps the iconic basics, softens the edges, keeps the forward lean for speed AND creates a super simplistic icon that I can see being as recognizable as the two intersecting circles that are the iconic MasterCard symbol. Please look again, read the proposal, and look at the tilde looking dash symbol. I can see that as being instantly recognized as "Dash Digital Cash" in the future like the two intersecting circles instantly means MasterCard.
As icing on the cake, the tilde is easily accessible on the keyboard. It could be our currency symbol. "Thanks for lunch, I just sent you ~0.132 to cover my portion"
This is why I have concluded that although I am not happy with and do not trust the test results, I can see the success of other big businesses and the fact they have "icons" and that a simple, immediately recognized icon would serve us well. I do feel the current Dash symbol is too harsh, and shouldn't be all capital letters either, so I am actually very pleased with the T&C proposal, it's more of an Evolution from our past, not a break from our past.
How is this even possible if T&C wins? Will Core pay the 88k euro out of pocket, rather than letting the MNOs vote on whether we want to fund this?The proposal that gets most positive net votes will be the one selected, regardless of whether it garners the necessary 10% to fund.