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Core Team Contractor Rules

Discussion in 'Dash Jobs' started by Ryan Taylor, Sep 3, 2016.

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  1. UdjinM6

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    I'm not trying to contradict any good intentions to put some reasonable limits but imo you can only require "2) Full-time role availability" and all that "sick", "holidays" etc corporation-like limits when you start to pay corporation-like salary and not only "token of appreciation for open source project volunteering" as it is now. Until then we should apply "full-time" requirement proportionally to that "token" to get someone seriously working for us imo. Being member of Core Team doesn't magically solve simple real world needs.

    Side note: actually, this "title" doesn't give any additional benefits (as one might think) - it only brings additional limitations (rules like these), more responsibility (managing all these accounts with admin/moderator access to several critical resources like forum or github or media) and sometimes even another vector of personal attack ("Ah, Evil Core member!") ;)

    Rules 1, 3, 4 make sense imo.
     
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  2. TroyDASH

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    Question about the full-time role availability -- with those PTO limits, are core team members expected to be working full 8 hour days? With everyone being scattered all over, how can you tell whether someone is putting in the appropriate amount of time or days? Are members paid based on the time they put in, or based on the substance of what they contribute to the project? I can imagine the pay can be a difficult thing to manage effectively and fairly for a team like this.

    Also, if you wouldn't mind sharing please -- what is the process for making decisions regarding core salary distribution, or adding/removing core team members? Do you take votes, or do you have some kind of internal governance structure?

    Thx
     
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    So you sir are a fan of individual blockchain contracts per individual instead of teams w/ rules? That is smarter I think!

    Maybe everyone should just apply to the MNO's for a job, say what they require as a contractor and what they will provide as skills & service and then everyone is happy then... contractor & MNO enter into a deal that is fair per individual/proposal.;);)
     
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    Question: When was a decision made to pay "dash contractors" salaries instead of per contract amounts? Wouldn't per project or tallied amounts be better bcuz you can look at the time allocations per projects and see how much it cost and all that?

    Is core team contractors, or employees?
     
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  6. UdjinM6

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    Should probably change wording in #3 to avoid confusion
     
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    But, usually because they've made bad choices in life and are buried in debt. They have to work like ni-, er, slaves, just to survive their monthly payments. You don't want people like that in charge of anything.
     
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    I disagree. We're not here to micromanage.

    But, the opposite extreme of paying no attention at all isn't working, either.
     
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    Sh0e on Head! But really, is this why career women are so ugly? No chance of getting pregnant?
     
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    I was more making the point of the 9-5 slave at a big corp is often not motivated to actually do anything except sit at a desk and make fancy reports for management. Giving someone the carrot of vacation before they even know the job, is just inviting people that want vacation.

    Focus on the job description....then consider what each candidate needs for compensation/time off to fulfill the position. I would rather pay people when they work, and not pay them if they take time off. This motivates faster development.

    We are not a huge corporate entity that has figured out if they give people 2 weeks off each year they don't have as many health or mental problems to pay for because of forcing someone to stay in a chair and stare at a screen for 8hrs/day.
     
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    I would extrapolate this to a bigger problem. DASH seems to think that it is a much bigger deal than it really is. The heads are a bit swollen. I see the problem largest in the MNOs. It's like a bunch of homeless people just got put on the board of directors and now they think the world has to kiss their ass... Want to talk about all this crap, like paid vacations, as if they're some kind of big deal that matters in the real world...

    It's like they're playing hose with their little brother, but don't realize the doll isn't a real baby....

    Wishing and pretending that it's already true, won't make it happen. It's just delusional.
     
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    So, this post, and the topic in slack, has been bothering me for a while. I will give another perspective, based on my own personal situation.

    I work as an international employee for a globally known employer. We are regularly in the news and our work has a global impact. I work in IT. We don't produce anything related to IT at all, we're not Microsoft or Google, but the people who work here use IT constantly for their work and they need efficient systems that work. The point here is that I am not producing work directly for my employer, I am only supporting other people who do that.

    We hire the best, globally. For a junior level position, I will get 400 applications that pass the initial screening by HR. You will need relevant experience, a degree from a recognized university, a report from your local police force that you have not been naughty, and basically beat everyone else who has applied through a series of tests, assessments, and interviews. For a more senior position, we will fly you here for a face to face interview, video conference just doesnt cut it. Nationality is irrelevant. In my team of 10 people I have 8 different nationalities.

    And what do we offer:
    • a high net salary - entry level would be in the region of 400-500 dash per month, we only talk about net, dont worry about taxes (particularly you US citizens, whose government believes that you should pay taxes no matter where you live), we'll reimburse you
    • Visa - no problem, we'll take care of it for you and your family
    • We will provide flights for you and family from whereever you are
    • We will ship the contents of your house here
    • need somewhere to stay when you first arrive in the country, no problem we'll cover the hotel
    • we know its hard to move to a new country and hard to find a suitable home, we'll help with rent for the first couple of years
    • its hard to be away from home for many years, so we'll give you and your family flight tickets back home every couple of years for a holiday
    • you'll need a car when you arrive, we'll either help you ship one here (which is difficult), or we'll cover the tax on a new car (which is easier, European taxes on cars are high, 20%?, I dunno exactly cause I've never paid them)
    • school for children in a foreign country is hard, no problem we'll pay for a school in the language of your choice ... or if you prefer you can send your child to a boarding school and we'll cover that instead ... universities as well of course
    • naturally, when you leave this job, we'll ship you, your family, and your furniture back
    • private pension fund, private health insurance, life insurance ... worldwide coverage
    • 30 days holiday, not including national holidays which in this country are another 12 days ... if the national holiday is on the weekend, you get a week day (Friday/Monday) (not all countries do this which I find very strange)
    • unlimited sick leave - although disability clauses will kick in at some point (I have no experience with this)
    • retirement age is 62
    This is the kind of environment and working conditions that we work in. If you want to hire the best, to produce the best, then this is the way you need to treat your employees.

    Now I realise that the DASH community cannot afford this, I'm not suggesting that they do. But maybe some of you just don't realise what high level employees get paid, not just the salary but the benefits as well.

    If you believe the DASH core team is a world leader in this field, you should be damned grateful that they are still working on DASH and treat them with the respect they deserve.

    20 days holiday per year, including national holidays? Fuck off.
     
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    As a recruiter, I must agree with you. In order for Dash to attract people who are currently working successfully but are willing to move over to Dash because they buy into the mission, Dash must not create too harsh of a transition. There is a fine line -- you also want people willing to make some degree of sacrifice because they are passionate about what Dash is doing. However, the inherent unknowns and uncertainty help to solve for this.
     
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    Can someone clarify this?
     
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    how much is the salary?
     
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    I just dont need to deal with it. Good luck guys, you have my support, rather you than me.
     
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    That is so informative
     
  19. tungfa

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    check
    https://www.dash.org/team/
    “join team”
     
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    Oh great! I'll love to join this team!
     
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