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  1. demo

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    Of course you have. Some people here in this forum have masternode badges. And you may give to the agents the full list of their IP, when they login in the forum.
     
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    OK, the argument is valid but extremely weak. Imagine you are the FBI trying to get the fullest possible list of real name identities of all masternode owners. These are your options:
    1. Automatically dump the full list of IPs directly from the blockchain (dash-cli masternode list full) and subpoena the VPS hosting providers, which research has shown is centralised around <10 major hosts
    2. Get on Reddit/Slack/Discord/Dash Forum and manually collect a partial list of usernames (NOT identities) who have voluntarily identified themselves as MNOs, then subpoena Reddit/Slack/Discord/Dash Core Group, Inc. to get a partial list of IPs and then subpoena hundreds of ISPs
    3. Exploit a backdoor in XenForo (the Dash Forum software) and get the same partial list of IPs and subpoena hundreds of ISPs
    You'd have to be stupid to attempt anything other than option 1. Putting in expensive hours from highly paid legal professionals to implement a warrant canary to safeguard freely available information like this is massive waste of resources, and I hope to see you arguing strongly against it in the future
     
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    I'm pretty sure that IP addresses and other masternode related information is not stored in the blockchain.

    Both PrivateSend and InstantSend transactions are stored in the blockchain. However the InstantSend lock information is not stored in the blockchain (it looks like a regular tx in the blockchain). And with mixing transactions only the masternode has the ability to map the inputs to the outputs. Did you mean those things?
     
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    Thanks for the correction - I guess it would be more accurate to say they are stored in governance objects?
     
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    I think so but I'm not entirely sure how they are stored. One big difference to blockchain storage is that historical data is not available unless you store it in your own database.
     
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    They have the sentinel database which is an sql database. The historical data is kept there, upon vote among the masternodes. Which means that if the masternodes vote to keep historical data , it will be kept. But the default vote is to delete the history in the sentinel database, for performance reasons also.

    There are also some external databases maintained by non core members, where the history is kept.
     
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    Not everybody lives in the US. And warrant canaries ARE illegal in Australia, and borderline in the UK. Thus, my claim IS demonstrated. Although it would be convenient for your argument to just ignore Australia and the UK, you don't really have that option to just ignore the bits you don't like. Their legal validity in the U.S. has never been demonstrated, and again, I hope they will hold up in court and magically become valid around the world. The U.S. constitution is being trampled in a number of ways. Just because I hate that with a passion doesn't make it untrue.
     
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    No, I would not say that either. A node can issue a P2P message requesting data about all masternodes and would receive a current list in response. I *think* it is just stored in memory. There is a limit to how frequently a node can request the whole list to limit abuse.
     
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    Transparency first. Well handled, this is going to be a great year for dash.
     
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    All MasterNode IPs are visible in the MasterNode list.

    Or, you can just go to dashninja.pl

    All MasterNodes are publicly exposed. Always have been. Not sure why this is confusing or hard to understand. It has never been any other way.

    ...which is why I am not an MNO. Too much liability, zero protection from witch-hunting government dead-set on ending crypto by any available method. Even if you're not in it for the money, because it's all about money in the mind of corrupt government, MNs are targeted. If you run a MasterNode, you're going to prison. Period.

    While the US government loves it's war on it's own citizens, it is not limited by such petty things as borders and laws... Even if you've never been here, never been a citizen... That won't stop them. The US government is a global threat against all that is good and decent. No one is safe from these evil psychopaths. I'm still on the path to renouncing my citizenship even though it probably won't make any difference... They never stop. The sinking ship needs more stolen cash!
     
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    It's illegal to lie to the cops.

    But, is it illegal to lie on forums and Facebook?

    ...let them collect misinformation.

    Why do you think I run at the mouth? How much of it do you think is true? How can you tell the difference?

    I know how to shut the hell up just fine...

    Noise. Lots and lots of noise. It's your only defense.
     
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    If you have 1000 dash, you could run a masternode just before the end of the voting period, in order to be able to vote. Then shutdown your masternode, until the next month when you will become again a masternode, just for a few hours before the voting deadline, with a different masternode ID and IP of course. That way you make the life of the people who want to spot you difficult.

    There is an individual who operates 137 masternodes, and he follows the above method.
    If you watch his IP addresses ( VOTE_HASH: 1322428539327371615009892572746926458241730394333 ) they are all dispersed around the globe:
    1. 165.227.51.50
    2. 139.59.148.216
    3. 165.227.214.114
    4. 159.65.9.112
    5. 89.47.167.182
    6. 165.227.40.243
    7. 192.241.196.120
    8. 165.227.43.32
    9. 192.241.228.45
    10. 165.227.211.61
    11. 139.59.137.93
    12. 162.243.147.190
    13. 138.68.67.189
    14. 89.47.167.193
    15. 194.135.81.30
    16. 80.208.225.45
    17. 89.47.167.190
    18. 207.154.209.231
    19. 89.47.167.50
    20. 192.241.230.14
    21. 89.47.167.188
    22. 159.203.10.79
    23. 188.166.162.126
    24. 165.227.211.85
    25. 46.101.158.243
    26. 165.227.84.99
    27. 165.227.215.199
    28. 46.101.248.165
    29. 162.243.146.170
    30. 165.227.55.198
    31. 162.243.131.75
    32. 159.203.63.181
    33. 212.24.107.48
    34. 46.101.79.64
    35. 185.5.54.30
    36. 80.209.237.204
    37. 165.227.45.80
    38. 192.241.240.219
    39. 159.65.1.101
    40. 194.135.83.193
    41. 165.227.84.130
    42. 162.243.146.67
    43. 139.59.135.189
    44. 139.59.144.247
    45. 138.68.191.203
    46. 165.227.84.147
    47. 89.47.167.187
    48. 138.68.191.199
    49. 159.89.32.12
    50. 185.81.167.13
    51. 89.47.167.78
    52. 89.47.167.184
    53. 109.235.66.234
    54. 159.89.47.10
    55. 192.241.243.156
    56. 159.89.40.235
    57. 89.47.167.183
    58. 89.47.167.53
    59. 46.101.79.13
    60. 165.227.35.146
    61. 89.47.167.57
    62. 46.101.219.169
    63. 195.181.241.78
    64. 159.65.9.114
    65. 192.241.244.212
    66. 162.243.5.102
    67. 165.227.35.158
    68. 139.59.79.59
    69. 139.59.66.51
    70. 139.59.79.124
    71. 139.59.74.250
    72. 139.59.74.251
    73. 139.59.65.183
    74. 139.59.70.141
    75. 139.59.128.70
    76. 159.89.139.77
    77. 162.243.146.113
    78. 139.59.70.221
    79. 139.59.78.11
    80. 139.59.78.18
    81. 185.5.53.230
    82. 89.47.167.192
    83. 185.81.166.6
    84. 89.47.167.81
    85. 165.227.16.55
    86. 178.62.40.206
    87. 159.65.9.115
    88. 139.59.78.65
    89. 139.59.78.78
    90. 139.59.69.99
    91. 46.101.103.200
    92. 212.24.103.79
    93. 138.197.129.153
    94. 165.227.37.206
    95. 139.59.65.89
    96. 139.59.69.75
    97. 185.5.55.6
    98. 194.135.81.129
    99. 89.47.167.80
    100. 178.62.51.151
    101. 139.59.73.128
    102. 159.89.131.73
    103. 207.154.233.239
    104. 89.47.167.189
    105. 89.47.167.45
    106. 159.89.131.76
    107. 67.205.128.88
    108. 89.47.167.185
    109. 67.205.189.165
    110. 174.138.36.154
    111. 194.135.93.215
    112. 192.81.218.187
    113. 139.59.231.219
    114. 139.59.96.32
    115. 94.176.233.149
    116. 139.59.128.202
    117. 139.59.96.42
    118. 138.197.136.108
    119. 165.227.43.1
    120. 89.40.0.14
    121. 139.59.96.45
    122. 139.59.96.52
    123. 46.101.150.181
    124. 165.227.39.120
    125. 89.47.167.186
    126. 139.59.96.55
    127. 159.89.141.241
    128. 139.59.96.83
    129. 89.47.167.181
    130. 139.59.96.130
    131. 89.47.167.79
    132. 195.181.243.130
    133. 139.59.96.84
    134. 139.59.96.91
    135. 89.47.167.194
    136. 159.203.33.145
    137. 165.227.35.188
     
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    Are you the individual with the 137 masternodes Demo?
     
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    Seems like some people are trash talking dash down so they can perhaps scoop up some cheap coins from weak hands. (?)
     
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    I want to understand how you figured this out. Pardon my ignorance, but I am really curious about this.

    How did you identify these 137 MNs? If I understand correctly, these 137 MNs will have a different IP in a month? Why do you think someone flips on MNs to vote, but not collect the MN rewards?
     
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    I identify the masternode operators by the way they vote. It is the vote hash, in my mnowatch project.

    Someone who is extremely rich, does not care about MN rewards. He cares more about anonymity, he cares more not to be caught and not to be taxed. Thats why many of the old (rich) guard shut down their mnos or they refuse to vote , as shown also in the statistics:
    In this report I created 31-12-2017 using the (unverified by me) historical data from dashninja API , you can see 4776 online and 6789-4776=2013 offline MNOS, what they voted, and their votehash. This data dates (according to dashninja) since the beginning of the version 2 dash governance system.
     
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    @demo this is fascinating stuff, could you post it in a new thread so more people can see it and join the discussion? I'm worried it is too deep in this thread to be seen. I know of a few other efforts underway to determine the number of unique masternode owners, so maybe you could coordinate efforts. Personally I'm also interested in trying to calculate the gini coefficient of various blockchains to gauge their level of inequality...

    I've seen somewhere (but can't remember where) that there is some sort of check to prevent shifting 1000 dash around to start a new masternode, vote on various proposals, rinse and repeat. I think the masternode must be in the payment list when votes are counted or something like that - votes by non-existent masternodes will be dropped.
     
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    There is a story related to my efforts. I wanted to post the appropriate info on each proposal thread (and pre-proposal) , but the forum admins deleted my posts. And they send me to the off topic. There, I am allowed to talk about this subject.

    I dont know other efforts on this subject...where and who are they? Can you give me urls or nicknames? Maybe we can cooperate and buy a droplet , instead of hosting the whole effort in github where databases and server side scripts are not allowed (so I am forced to code the system in an awkward way)

    Maybe the below is usefull for you:
    https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-dash-addresses.html

    Dash distribution
    Balance
    Addresses % Addresses (Total) Coins $USD % Coins (Total)
    0 - 0.001 78947 13.21% (100%) 28.48 DASH 17,715 USD 0% (100%)
    0.001 - 0.01 77985 13.05% (86.79%) 317.00 DASH 197,195 USD 0% (100%)
    0.01 - 0.1 174142 29.13% (73.75%) 4,123 DASH 2,564,911 USD 0.05% (100%)
    0.1 - 1 148962 24.92% (44.62%) 46,374 DASH 28,848,064 USD 0.58% (99.94%)
    1 - 10 88146 14.75% (19.7%) 226,083 DASH 140,639,978 USD 2.85% (99.36%)
    10 - 100 21680 3.63% (4.95%) 516,986 DASH 321,602,086 USD 6.52% (96.51%)
    100 - 1,000 2725 0.46% (1.32%) 701,857 DASH 436,605,093 USD 8.85% (89.99%)
    1,000 - 10,000 5150 0.86% (0.87%) 5,758,751 DASH 3,582,353,964 USD 72.64% (81.13%)
    10,000 - 100,000 33 0.01% (0.01%) 673,007 DASH 418,658,097 USD 8.49% (8.49%)
    Addresses richer than
    1 USD 100 USD 1,000 USD 10,000 USD 100,000 USD 1,000,000 USD 10,000,000 USD
    499,476 196,947 73,508 18,135 6,719 174 19


    Where is this check in the code?
    And how long does it take to reach the payment list?
    Maybe @UdjinM6 can help on this...But he is busy this period, and he does not participate a lot in the forum.
     
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    @pablomp it looks like @demo might be working on something similar to you?

    Regarding the bitinfocharts data, yes, that is what we will initially use to calculate the gini coefficient. Will know soon if that is granular enough.
     
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    I might have some critical things to say, but my entrance price was $0.007 or lower, so... This is hardly a move for cheap coins.

    I still get to be part of the coinbase witch hunt, even though I never sold anything...

    But, with global government finally taking notice and doing everything they can to destroy crypto, it might be time to bail out... I was hopeful for the technology, but it's not worth anything but what ponzi remains, thanks to guv and the weakness of those who won't even try to put up a fight.

    Inventing banned tech is not useful.
     
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    Well handled, thank you for the update Fernando.
     
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    The only fight you have to put up is to HODL. You're still way up in monetary terms.

    Don't bow down in fear or submit to those who seek to control you. You're not a slave. (Are you?)

    Take some profits. (Not thru coinbase, I'm sure you're creative and savvy enough to know what to do.)

    But don't throw in the towel completely.

    I'm sure the market will snap up any and all coins you have in any event. (Although in your case it could be a massive dump I guess.)
     
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    Why not use coinbase? They put up a fight, and got the overreaching subpoena massively reduced.

    I'm not hiding anything. My stacks are too big to hide anyway.

    The problem is the willingness of corrupt government to lie and invent false charges. If you've ever posted on a crypto forum, no matter what you said, then you're a target for their "make shit up" punishment by process games.

    Coinbase has nothing to do with it. If anything, I like that they put up a fight and at least tried to deal with the traitors... Has anyone else?
     
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    The "Government" is not necessarily a single entity. There are black hats and white hats (and perhaps grey hats) in there too.

    What I'm saying is there are different factions all of whom are jostling for supremacy. Just look at the 'Civil War' going on in the Trump administration and wider tentacles of government power... Drain the swamp and all that stuff. Government is not a single unified entity levelled against cryptos.

    Who will win out? I don't know, but I still believe in cryptos for the future.

    So it's now a question of hold on, or capitulate to their evil.

    And, although the 'bad guys" might be on a tear at the moment (e.g. dumping all the Mt Gox coins) I'm reminded of Winston Churchill's "We shall NEVER surrender" speach.

    E.g., "We shall fight them in the markets...we shall fight them in the media, we shall fight them in the forums and on Twitter, we shall fight them in the news we shall fight them on Facebook we shall fight them on the radio and TV. We shall fight them on YouTube we shall fight them on Binance we shall fight them on the peer to peer platforms, we shall fight them at conferences we shall fight them at meet ups, we shall fight them in our minds and in our hearts...We shall NEVER surrender!"


    ..Lol, if you're right @camosoul "they" won't like that particular comment I've just made on a forum post.

    But I don't care. "They" can go to hell with their debt slave money. So again I say,

    HODL!
     
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    Just because some scam artist happened to con some ppl out of some crypto doesn't undermine the use case for this technology unless you allow your slave masters to brainwash you.

    Yes, perhaps some regulation regarding investment schemes needs to be implemented. But this was hardly a Bernie Madoff type of operation was it?

    Don't conflate investment scams with regulation to attempt to intimidate you and undermine the use of the actual technology itself.

    The toothpaste is out of the tube. It can't be regulated back in.

    I'm sure there are plenty of countries around the world who will welcome crypto businesses and economic activity. And not just under-developed ones.

    For example recent announcement from Germany regarding crypto spending not being taxed.

    Dunno why u guys are so negative. (Tip: Try not to focus on the price for a while.)
     
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    I am massively confident that an anonymous DAO will emerge that will bring down governments. It may not be dash but it will happen.
     
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    today they want to talk and tomorrow... who knows
     
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    Hello, excellent information that you have given us, in my personal opinion I think that many times public organizations or governments fear new technologies that can not be controlled by these entities, I think you have taken the best decision.

    Best regards!
     

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