Which Masternode model should we implement?
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tx for all your posts
super interesting !
(I am not a coder at all and just try to understand some general things)
so the relays we have now for TOR (we need 8 to get this really moving) are the once who can help to connect MN's inside the onion ? as they relay to the outside (surface web) ?
is that correct ?
(sorry for the dummy question)
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I agree that evan should concentrate on DS and IX
but that does not mean that a team (or some community members ) can look into this and start the process / adoption
I tagged you in another thread already where some pieps are working on this.
as in general "DRK is not promoting the DarkNet" but I agree it would give us huge leverage for that community if we run MNs over the Onion + are more active in that community.
vertoe started some post regarding updating red dots and hide wiki and such , I am trying to help him out where I can and it would be great to have more (knowledgable ) people involfed
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i think complete anonymity is not required. What is required is some level of anonymity so that geeks or agencys can't locate you or your hot wallet so the funds remain safe...
I don't know much about Tor and the Tor hidden services, but Freenode has its own Tor hidden services and exit nodes. I think some of their servers use Tor and some don't, and they let users who do use their Tor hidden services or not still can log on their servers. And I've seen Freenode ddosed over and over but the botnets can never take it down for long.
Here's the link about Freenode Tor hidden services if anyone wants to read: https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
I might be totally off here but I'm thinking if there's a way for Evan to create DRK own Tor hidden services, allow Masternode owners to have a choice to use Tor if they want anonymity, and also allow DRK users to have the same choice. It would be nice to have a network with both Tor-hidden-services and no-Tor-hidden-services mechanisms.
eduffield
Guys, I was just wondering how this affects the plans for obfuscation of the final user's ip when sending coins? Is this unrelated to the multipath technology that had been discussed to obfuscate the ip of a computer that was sending a payment?
For now I agree with option 1 with regards to masternode operators, specially because as an operator you earn a reward. I suspect these are two distinct things and IP obfuscation for the end user is something we will still do?
Guys, I was just wondering how this affects the plans for obfuscation of the final user's ip when sending coins? Is this unrelated to the multipath technology that had been discussed to obfuscate the ip of a computer that was sending a payment?
For now I agree with option 1 with regards to masternode operators, specially because as an operator you earn a reward. I suspect these are two distinct things and IP obfuscation for the end user is something we will still do?
Really curious about this as I posted something similar a few pages back. I consider IP obfuscation for the end user when sending coins a key part of Darkcoin's privacy (IMO, nearly to the same level as Darksend) and it would suck if option 1 precluded this. What say you, Evan?
Nope, that's completely separate.
I am sure both Freenode clearnet and freenode hidden service are hosted on the same computer using the same IP address so criminals have the clearnet ip address thus Tor provides absolutely no ddos protection.
Entirely possible. Just add a check for client for the masternode address, if it ends with .onion then connect with Tor otherwise connect without Tor.
I also want to hear a real argument, not the following bs:
The only big problem with plain IP addresses is that people know YOU are using Darkcoin. If Darkcoin becomes illegal then that will be enough proof to start a criminal investigation on you and make you fines or even worse maybe jail time.
Maybe this was addressed in here, but wouldn't there be potential forking issues if some of the masternode network was on clearnet and the remainder on tor/i2p (as a result of not being able to see each other/miners selecting winners)? It would either be an all or none for the network, right?
Belarus bans Tor tomorrow. Russia is next. Who is next after Russia?..
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/02/25/belarus-bans-tor-and-other-anonymizers/
https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/25/belarus-bans-tor
So even using Tor will be illegal here (and who knows where else) and "they" know about Tor already while I hardly believe "they" know smth about Darkcoin (yet). There are talks about banning VPN too but this will mean death to IT-industry so it will take some time...
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Wow, that's really scary. I hope the people fight back against these tyrants! Whatever it takes... I wonder how they would feel if someone tried to take their personal freedoms away... I really hope its a serious thought in a lot of peoples minds over there. It only takes a few people to change the course of history, look at how much people like Aaron Swartz did for the world, defeating government lobbied attempts to essentially destroy the internet and attack freedom itself. I think its a responsibility to ourselves and the world to stand up for what is right when it is challenged by those who are not. And who are not in the right, whatever they might think of themselves...
This kind of dictatorial abuse of power is not right, but its nothing new. Our own present liberties that we were born with have already been degraded in our lifetime, we are less free than we would have been 30 years ago in many regards. (as Milton Friedman would likely agree)
This abuse of power has been going on for as long as human history can recollect. People who have or take power and try to take essential freedoms away from others. The good news is it never lasts forever and their fall is often spectacular. Its usually around the time when they get paranoid and changed by power, consumed by greed, which in the cloud of corruption leads them to the most foolish of actions because of their petty personal fear.
This is a sign they are on their way out, because in their very inability to succeed in their attempts of removing freedom and will from people, they show how weak and petty they really are, how scared they are and incapable of doing the right thing even when faced with the fact of their own inefficacy. Out of fear... The fear of being called out for what they really are and losing their place in the world, because they also know that their fall will be spectacular, somewhere deep down ingrained in truth, the nightmare of their dreams.
For freedom has a way of shining through the most opaque of lies bringing to light their weakness, the weaknesses of those who would dare challenge freedom and the light of love.
Their attack on freedom, a trumpet for my heart!
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How does i2pd sound here? It is i2p re-written in C++. Would that be a good starting point for darkcoin?
I think it would be much better at the moment to go with the Java version. Its much more mature.
It seems I2P is currently the only choice for Darkcoin. Its peer-to-peer just like Darkcoin.
Not to criticize you. However, I want to point out that you sound like Tor is going to solve everything automatically. However, as we know, even Flash in a browser needs to be disabled in order for Tor to work without leaking information that may be useful for NSA. So, I think taking the minimal part of Tor that will make it work on darkcoin network will be the better way to go since it also ease the pain for users who would need to set up Tor.
If he moves to Siberia, I will donate a miner to help keeping him warm. :tongue:Moving from Arizona to Siberian Russia lol. He would have to take a lot of miners with him to keep him warm
Flash needs to be disabled because it ignores proxy settings of the browser.
Also setting up Tor is downloading and executing it, no configuration needed.
I read the Tor setup documentation some time ago and I thought it was not that simple. There are other means to get you on Tor if the setup is not done right. I think SR is a proof of that statement.
The wallet user doesn't need to do anything else than to run Tor.
Masternodes need to create hidden service and thats it. A masternode is not webserver which can do unpredicted shit and have sql injection vulnerabilities.
But, who knows what other vulnerabilities a masternode may have?
EDIT: To me, I still think it is better if darkcoin will run automatically on Tor/I2P network (or its own implement) without even installing anything. That's why I wonder if I2Pd can provide some library and API to the programmer and you just write an application that use the library and forget about running extra daemon such as I2P.
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To deanonymize a hidden service you need a RCE or the hidden service must somehow willingly connect to clearnet without Tor or willingly send its IP address over to you.
If a masternode has a RCE vulnerability then there are more things to worry about than deanonymization such as full server takeover and fund stealing.
Edit: I am glad you asked this
I agree with moli, it would be great to have both, but I definitely rather option 1 than pushing everyone onto the tor network.I mean for a start how many users and masternode operators would be capable of such a move? I'm guessing not many even if the technical details are sorted out perfectly.
The real question is if Masternodes can cooperate while simultaneously on the clearnet and while behind some kind of obfuscation. i'm guessing this comes down to latency and identification issues(perhaps a masternode version of the transmission control protocol? M-TCP with M-IPs
). Then what kind of changes would this require, if any new potential vulnerabilities would be opened and how much time is going to be devoted to this.Opposed to actively developing Darkcoin to adapt to the tor network today and worrying about future political/legal issues/NSA overlords.
I believe it's best we focus on IP obfuscation of users sending coins right now and revisit this topic later on with speed results of nodes running through TOR from Evan.