Universal Dividend and Web of Trust for Dash (v2)

Would you like a Universal Dividend and/or/xor a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dash?

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  • yes for the Web of Trust

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The original thread was locked, so I repost this thread, in order for the discussion to be continued, and most importantly, in order for the vote to be continued.

This is just a question.

Universal Dividend means that everyone who owns a dash wallet, he gets a basic income just for beeing a member of the community. This basic income could be from 0 dashcoins to total_dashcoins/members, and this could be a subject to vote.

In order to give a basic income, of course a Web of Trust is needed. Because we have to distinguish dash members that are real persons, and not alternative accounts.

So what do you think about it?
 

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The problem is, dash is not suited for this kind of thing and certainly can not compete on income. We'd get eaten alive trying to compete on ROI or APR. Just look at Ryan's failed attempt to increase the masternode count.

From all these income streams, whether it's masternode rewards or staking in general, "investors" invariably spend a portion of their income buying bitcoin, knowing full well that trying to earn bitcoin is a much harder affair. In other words, all these staking options amount to "easy money".

I think we should do the opposite, though to what amount I'm not sure. I think we should setup a proposal to burn, say, 5 million dash via a hardfork. "Burn" is not the right word because it would never be created but you know what I mean, to dramatically decrease the total supply.
 

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From all these income streams, whether it's masternode rewards or staking in general, "investors" invariably spend a portion of their income buying bitcoin, knowing full well that trying to earn bitcoin is a much harder affair. In other words, all these staking options amount to "easy money".
Thats what the web of trust/ proof of individuality is ment for.
We will know which members sell their dash to another coin, then decide to reduce their basic income.

The basic income will be a subject to vote. A "vote the numbers" vote.
So it could also be 0 dash for everyone (meaning no basic income at all), in case we decide that.

I think we should do the opposite, though to what amount I'm not sure. I think we should setup a proposal to burn, say, 5 million dash via a hardfork. "Burn" is not the right word because it would never be created but you know what I mean, to dramatically decrease the total supply.
Burn some millions of dash? I agree. Lets "vote the numbers" for that too.
 
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Universal Basic Income Payments: Which states and cities offer payments of up to $125 million? | Marca

What are the universal basic income (UBI) programs throughout the US country?

Alaska
  • Program: Alaska Permanent Fund
  • Duration: Annual
  • Payments: $1,114 in 2021
  • Participants: All Alaska residents
Compton, California
  • Program: Compton Promise
  • Duration: December 2020 to December 2022
  • Payments: $1,800 every three months for two years
  • Participants: 800
Long Beach, California
  • Duration: Fall 2021 to Fall 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 500
Los Angeles California

Duration: Three years
  • Payments: $1,204 per month
  • Participants: 150 people ages 18-24 receiving general relief benefits
Los Angeles California

  • Program: Big jump
  • Duration: January 2022 to January 2023
  • Payments: $1,000 a month for one year
  • Participants: Approximately 3,000
Marin County, California

  • Duration: 2021 to 2023
  • Payments: $1,000 a month for two years
  • Participants: 125 low-income women raising at least one child under the age of 18
Oakland, California

  • Program: Oakland Resilient Families
  • Duration: Summer 2020 to present
  • Payments: $500 a month for 18 months
  • Participants: 600
Sacramento, California

  • Program: Sacramento Direct Investment Program
  • Duration: June 2021 to June 2022
  • Payments: $300 a month for two years
  • Participants: 100
San Francisco, California

  • Program: The South San Francisco Guaranteed Income Program
  • Duration: October 2021 to October 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 135

Santa Clara County, California

  • Program: Santa Clara County Basic Income Pilot Program
  • Duration: June 2020 to early 2022
  • Payments: Up to $1,000 per month
  • Participants: 2,400 to 2,500 young adults transitioning out of foster care
Stockton, California

  • Program: SEED (Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration)
  • Length: February 2019 to February 2021
  • Payments: $500 a month for two years
  • Participants: 125
Gainesville, Florida

  • Program: Fair Income CNG
  • Length: Winter 2021/2022 at the beginning of 2023
  • Payments: $1,000, then $600 a month for 11 months
  • Participants: 115 formerly incarcerated people
Chicago, Illinois

  • Length: One year from the start date TBD 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month
  • Participants: 5,000 low-income people earning less than $35,000 a year
Gary, Indiana

  • Program: Guaranteed Income Validation Effort
  • Length: Spring 2021 to Winter 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 200
Shreveport, Louisiana

  • Length: December 2021 to December 2022
  • Payments: Up to $600 a month for one year
  • Participants: 100 single parents or legal guardians of school-age children
Cambridge, Massachusetts

  • Program: Cambridge Recurring Income for Success and Empowerment
  • Length: June 2021 to December 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for 18 months
  • Participants: 120
Chelsea, Massachusetts

  • Program: Direct Assistance Stipend Program
  • Longitude: November 2020 to present
  • Payments: Between $200 to $400 per month
  • Participants: 2,000
Lynn, Massachusetts

  • Program: Family Health Project
  • Length: May 2021 to May 2024
  • Payments: $400 a month for new moms for a child's first three years
  • Participants: 15
Saint Paul, Minnesota

  • Program: People's Prosperity Guaranteed Income Pilot Program
  • Length: October 2020 to May 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for 18 months
  • Participants: 150
Jackson, Mississippi

  • Program: Magnolia's Mother Trust
  • Length: December 2018 to present
  • Payments: $1,000 a month for one year
  • Participants: 110 low-income African American mothers
Santa Fe, New Mexico

  • Program: City of Santa Fe Learn, Earn, Achieve Program
  • Length: 2021 to 2022
  • Payments: $400 a month for one year
  • Participants: 100 young parents enrolled at Santa Fe Community College
Hudson, New York

  • Program: HudsonUp
  • Length: 2020 to 2025
  • Payments: $500 a month for five years
  • Participants: 25
Rochester, New York

  • Program: Guaranteed Basic Income
  • Length: Two years
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 175 low-income families
Ulster County, New York

  • Program: Project Resilience
  • Length: Spring 2021 to Spring 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 100
Newark, New Jersey

  • Program: Newark Movement for Economic Equity
  • Length: Fall 2021 to Fall 2022
  • Payments: Bi-weekly payments of $250 and semi-annual payments of $3,000 for two years
  • Participants: 400
Paterson, New Jersey

  • Program: Guaranteed Income
  • Length: July 2021 to July 2022
  • Payments: $400 a month for one year
  • Participants: 110
North Carolina/Cherokee Tribe

  • Program: Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Casino Dividend
  • Length: Annual
  • Payments: $4,000 to $6,000 a year
  • Participants: Each member of the tribe
Durham, North Carolina

  • Program: Excel Pilot Program
  • Length: 2022 to 2023
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 115 Durham residents who were incarcerated in the last five years
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

  • Program: PGH Assured Cash Experiment
  • Length: End of 2020 to end of 2022
  • Payments: $500 for two years
  • Participants: 100 African American women and 100 people of any race or gender, all from low-income zip codes
Providence, Rhode Island

  • Program: Providence Guaranteed Income Pilot
  • Length: November 2021 to December 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 110
Columbia, South Carolina

  • Program: Columbia Life Improvement Monetary Boost
  • Longitude: Early 2021 to present
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 100 low-income parents
Alexandria, Virginia

  • Program: Alexandria Guaranteed Income Pilot Program
  • Length: December 2021 to December 2023
  • Payments: $500 a month for two years
  • Participants: 150

Richmond, Virginia

  • Program: Richmond Resilience Initiative
  • Length: October 2020 to December 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 18 low-income working families who do not qualify for help
Tacoma, Washington

  • Program: Growing Resilience in Tacoma
  • Length: December 2021 to December 2022
  • Payments: $500 a month for one year
  • Participants: 110
 

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<vote history>
Would you like a Universal Dividend and/or/xor a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dash?
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16413 human profiles have been created until now, and they already receive their universal dividend.
For example in this profile you can see what dividend the person received (4.2921 UBI until now), and his web of trust ( "Vouched by:" "Vouched for:")

Unfortunately the method of the UBI token is against anonymity. So their UBI army can be spotted by the agents.
 
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Whenever you use rude and offensive language like this from one of your previous posts : ''AND WHAT ABOUT DASH's BASIC INCOME, YOU STUPID MASTERNODES ?'' you lose my attention. Ironically you have now become a masternode owner yourself, so i guess you thought if i can't fight them i will join them ?
Hopefully that kind of language will not be used anymore by you, as it does not promote discussion. As you can see in this thread.

Whenever you use 'the agents' you will also lose my attention. There is something about you frequently using those words, that just makes you come across as a bit paranoid to me.

With regards to the poll, i voted no on it.
No on Universal Dividend based on just owning a dash wallet.
No on Web of Trust, because i like Dash to remain Trustless as much as possible.
 

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Whenever you use rude and offensive language like this from one of your previous posts : ''AND WHAT ABOUT DASH's BASIC INCOME, YOU STUPID MASTERNODES ?'' you lose my attention. Ironically you have now become a masternode owner, so i guess you thought if i can't fight them i will join them ?
I am not a masternode owner. I hold a masternode vote.
Your vote has been recorded. You will be judged for the votes you casted, and for the polls you ignored.

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No on Universal Dividend based on just owning a dash wallet.
No on Web of Trust, because i like Dash to remain Trustless as much as possible.
Dash can remain trustless, if this proof of individuality is implemented.

I vote "lets vote the numbers". Part of the Dash's budget should be allocated to the Universal Dividend experiment. Lets vote the numbers on how much this part should be.

Whenever you use 'the agents' you will also lose my attention. There is something about you frequently using those words, that just makes you come across as a bit paranoid to me.
The agents are everywhere, they want you to fail, and you will. They are visible, and invisible ones.

 
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I am not a masternode owner. I hold a masternode vote.
Your vote has been recorded. You will judged for the votes you casted, and for the polls you ignored.
Judged by who ? The Crypto Gods ? By you ? By the Dash community ?
Again this does not encourage discussion, when you tell those that participate in this poll that they will be 'judged'.
Maybe you don't want discussion ? Maybe you just want a discussion with yourself ?

Anyways, good thing i already publicly informed everyone how i voted on your poll and why, as i noticed the public nature of the votes before i decided to vote.
 

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Judged by who ? The Crypto Gods ? By you ? By the Dash community ?
By God and by the Dash community. And by the market too....

Again this does not encourage discussion, when you tell those that participate in this poll that they will be 'judged'.
You will be judged for the votes you casted, you will be judged for the polls you ignored. You will be judged the one way, or another.

Maybe you don't want discussion ? Maybe you just want a discussion with yourself ?
I am in a forum, so I obviously want discussion.

Anyways, good thing i already publicly informed everyone how i voted on your poll and why, as i noticed the public nature of the votes before i decided to vote.
ok.
 
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This 1 year old poll has very little actual votes (6 to be precise) and very little discussion from other Dash community members.
So here is a poll just for you : why do you think there is so little actual voting and discussion on this topic ?

A : due to the publicly visible voting nature of this poll
B : due to the topic itself not attracting much interest
C : due to this public forum not attracting enough visitors
D : due to the agents

Please be informed your voting will be recorded on this forum and you will be judged by God and the Dash community for the votes you casted and for the
poll results you chose to ignore.
 

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This 1 year old poll has very little actual votes (6 to be precise) and very little discussion from other Dash community members.
So here is a poll just for you : why do you think there is so little actual voting and discussion on this topic ?

A : due to the publicly visible voting nature of this poll
B : due to the topic itself not attracting much interest
C : due to this public forum not attracting enough visitors
D : due to the agents
I think is C.
The original Universal Dividend thread has 48k views, and (although currently locked) it remains the 7th most popular thread and the 4th most popular non sticky thread in the general discussion of this forum (sort by views to discover it). Also the original Universal Dividend thread had a wide participation in its poll (58 votes were casted until it was locked). I think it is the third most popular poll in the forum (the locked logo poll is the first with 76 votes, and the unlocked "compel the core team to anonymize" poll is the second with 72 votes), having the locked vote the numbers poll following it with 57 votes.

Put also the E and the F options in your poll (never forget to put the "other" option in your polls).
E: due to the stupidity of the masternodes.
F: other

Please be informed your voting will be recorded on this forum and you will be judged by God and the Dash community for the votes you casted and for the
poll results you chose to ignore.
You will be judged both for your votes, and for the poll results you ignored, and for the polls you ignored (didnt vote on them).
You will be judged by God, by the Dash community and by the market.
 
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I think is C.
The original Universal DIvidend thread has 48k views, and (although locked) it is the 4th most popular in the general discussion of this forum.
I guess this forum lost the attention of a lot of viewers over the years, i suspect most people switched to the two Dash discord channels.
Here is hoping we (as in all of us) can grab back some of that attention.
 
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I guess this forum lost the attention of a lot of viewers over the years, i suspect most people switched to the two Dash discord channels.
Here is hoping we (as in all of us) can grab back some of that attention.
The reason people switched to discord was the censorship that was practiced in this forum, once upon times. They left due to censorship, now they are accustomed to the discord enviromnent and the dont come back.

But of course another reason we have no participation is because many members of the Dash community left the community, due to the stupid government decisions of the masternodes. And this affects both this forum, and the dash discord channels.
 
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The universal dividend that the UBI token offers is trusted by (and it is the base of) kleros. Kleros is currently Rank #578 in coinmarket cap. Soon Kleros may also overcome Dash, like so many others cryptos did since dash was rank #6. Of course the disadvatage of Kleros is that is it based on Ethereum, and if it will fail it will be due to the high cost of ethereum gas.

Many applications are based on a proof of individuality combined to a universal dividend. And too much stupidity is concentrated to the Dash masternodes, for keep refusing to implement some obviously succesful systems (based on a dividend) that can certainly boost dash and make it #6 again.
 
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<vote history>
Would you like a Universal Dividend and/or/xor a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dash?

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There is a grant in Kleros and Proof_of_Humanity cryptocurrencies, in order to fund a Proof OfHumanity airdrop solution (which is a form of universal dividend).

Proof Of Humanity proposal: [Phase 2] HIP-72: Grant to fund a PoH airdrop solution (snapshot.org)

Simple summary
Launch a grant to build an app to ease the process of airdropping to humans registered in PoH.
I hope someday the Dash masternodes will understand how important a universal dividend is for the survival of their crypto.