(Pre-Proposal) Buy & Sell from within ALL DASH WALLETS

[rgenito]

X posting from Dash Central.

Hi just a couple of thoughts, the proposal says you will develop Dash wallet wizards for 4 wallet apps. Wouldn't it make sense to have commitments from those wallets you plan to integrate ahead of making the proposal. Because if there are third parties involved is harder to make predictions on the reception of the idea on behalf of those 3rd party wallets.

Is also important to notice that it may not be appropriate to integrate specific broker APIs into the reference core wallets, the reference clients should remain neutral and allow for different brokers to compete for volume. I think this will be great for Evolution where all brokers will have the same opportunity to integrate into the DAPI and be part of the Apps marketplace.

Just clarifying and making sure the reference clients were not counted on the 4 wallet apps you were considering. You can definitely create and maintain your own WoC forks of the reference client but you should consider the technical debt of creating your own forks as you would need to maintain them going forward. Plus I think for the most part people would just continue to download the reference clients from dash.org. Having said this, if you are aware and willing to maintain your own version of the wallets going forward then I can understand the project better.

My recommendation would be to wait and do this as part of Evolution where the marketplace will be available, but totally understand if you will create and maintain your own WoC wallets going forward or if this will be to work with 3rd party wallets like Exodus and Jaxx. Would be good to have those commitments from 3rd parties ahead of making the proposal though.

Just my 2 duffs. Cheers.

Thank you for also posting here ! I will copy/paste the response for everyone... as this answers other questions above!


1. Not all wallets want to make a commitment without a commitment. It's a chicken and egg problem. This is simply because everyone is too busy with their current work. The Dash funding will shift everyone's attention because that gives resources for that extra attention.

2. Neutrality: this does not harm a wallet's neutrality. Wall of Coins is the *only* service that offers this. Does Jaxx or Ethereum's wallet appear not neutral because they integrated Shape Shift? Of course not: shape shift was the only service that offers what they offer. What is better: the image of supreme neutrality by now allowing the ONLY API buy/sell Dash service for wallet users that want to buy/sell Dash, or to get Dash into the hands of the masses as quickly as possible while also being an example for other individuals to make a better API service? I say it's more important to get Dash into the hands of as many people as possible and to inspire other companies to create alternative solutions for the wallets. There's much more for everyone to gain.

3. This is for new work, not old work. The reference clients are not counted, as the proposal explicitly states that people will choose the 4 wallets to focus on.

4. Waiting: this proposal will not hinder future releases of projects such as Evolution. There are no negative drawbacks by starting today, especially when the Dash treasury has an available budget.

Will you invite and urge the wallets to comment? I understand you believe it would be good to have those commitments comments already, but the community must realize that these wallet leaders are *MUCH* too busy for this to get their attention. I know how to make this happen, and when MNOs vote yes on this and trust in me once again, they will see the developments happen Thank you again for asking!

I am here to serve Dash, my friend.

 

[paragon]

Rgenito (Robert Genito) was nice enough to engage and answer some of my questions via voice call and he recorded our conversation here https://soundcloud.com/robert-genito/rgenitocall-part-2 He wanted to make this public for any masternodes with questions like me. Robert got disconnected from 19min11sec to 21min27sec so be sure to fast forward through that silence

 

[HashEngineering]

This is an interesting idea. With the Dash Wallet for android, my expertise is with the Dash Network Protocol, not user interfaces. In fact for my app, the user interface design is maintained by a core developer. The integration of such a system as proposed here is beyond me, but the proposal states that other developers would be doing the work.

I haven't used Wall of Coins and will need to consider this further.

A PR is a Pull Request, which is a request to add code to an existing project maintained by someone else. That is how the code would be added to any wallet, including mine, assuming their code is available on one of the sites such as github.com, gitlab.com, etc.

 

[demo]

You didnt answer to my question. Suppose we manage to go to a distant ATM, disguised, and we anonymously put some cash into your bank account in order to buy a cryptocurrency.
What guarantees us that you will not deny that we put the money?

Could you please answer to my question?

 

[demo]

Could you please answer to my question?

Come on now! Is it so difficult for you to implement a commitment scheme? You dont seem to have deep knowledge of what cryptography is. Are you an advertiser-marketeer or something? I believe that Dash doesnt need more of them, we have a lot (@amanda_b_johnson being their president)

 

[rgenito]

Could you please answer to my question?

You'll have to ask the bank or ATM. They're the ones that have the right to refuse to accept a deposit/payment.

Come on now! Is it so difficult for you to implement a commitment scheme? You dont seem to have deep knowledge of what cryptography is. Are you an advertiser-marketeer or something? I believe that Dash doesnt need more of them, we have a lot (@amanda_b_johnson being their president)

Here's where you can find more information about me and the team: https://wallofcoins.com/en/about/

 

[rgenito]

This is an interesting idea. With the Dash Wallet for android, my expertise is with the Dash Network Protocol, not user interfaces. In fact for my app, the user interface design is maintained by a core developer. The integration of such a system as proposed here is beyond me, but the proposal states that other developers would be doing the work.

I haven't used Wall of Coins and will need to consider this further.

A PR is a Pull Request, which is a request to add code to an existing project maintained by someone else. That is how the code would be added to any wallet, including mine, assuming their code is available on one of the sites such as github.com, gitlab.com, etc.

Thank you for posting your thoughts in here I will find out from Jaxx pretty quickly how much of a separate implementation is necessary between Jaxx for desktop and mobile--if any separate implementation. With that said, it looks like Hash Engineering will be 1 of the 4 we focus on, and I greatly look forward to talking with you

For everyone else's knowledge: I'm traveling back from Arizona (open house meetup!) and we will begin promoting others to vote on the wallets this week. We will still reach out to all wallets immediately after the team and I discuss these operations tomorrow when I'm back in Florida. Thank you to the Dash community for allowing us to serve you all...Looking forward to this!!

 

[rgenito]

Also, I'd like you all to know that I will bring up to the wallets the biggest concerns the community has had so far:

1. This implementation will be done in a modular way so that other APIs will have an easier time adding their services.
2. We will work with the wallets to help warn their users if they are not getting a reasonably fair offer. This will prevent any newcomers from experiencing a bad first experience.

If you think of any other concerns, speak now!

 

[Technologov]

I recommend to develop a plug-in system, similar to what we have in web browsers.

Why ?

Because integrating "Wall of Coins" or any other exchange is limited to a specific country or set of countries, not truly world-wide, and it is gonna confuse customers.

Additionally we want a free-market competition, so that any exchange could develop wallet-plug-ins and integrate itself into a wallet.

 

[aarellanes]

Hello Everyone!

I apologies on the late update, I posted a new thread in the General Section and did not realize it was deleted till this morning. (I guess I need to be on the forums more often with you all )

The Update that I posted last week:

We have been coordinating meeting with wallets to discuss what is need to get the integration rolling

We have a few meetings this week with some wallets that the community voted on and we look forward to chatting with them about this!

Stay tuned for the next update!

Albert

 

[Technologov]

BTW : one good example of trading in wallet is done in HEAT crypto currency

 

[GuerraDiValute]

Hello Everyone!
Stay tuned for the next update!

Albert

Good to hear. Thanks for the update. We are eagerly awaiting the good news!

 

[stellabelle]

"After that wonderful moment is where the newbie realizes, “...how do I get Dash?” Believe it or not, this is the biggest encumbrance to mass adoption. The excitement ends and things go downhill from there. That will be history"

Will Evolution solve this problem?
I like your idea, as the more options are available, the better!

 

[aarellanes]

Happy Monday Everyone!

I completely spaced on Friday and did not post, I apologies!

We have the full approval of 2 of the voted upon wallets, and we are creating the mockups and will have all of that approved for both wallets by sometime this week. Development and announcements will begin by this week!

Cheers,
Albert

 

[aarellanes]

Good Day Dash Nation!

So what is going with the integration you might ask? Well, some exciting stuff!

• We are finishing up the mock ups for the two wallets!
• We will be issuing a press release with the partner we are working with first! Both parties are excited about the integration and look forward to sharing more information with EVERYONE!

Thank you very much for your patients with the updates!

I hope to have all future updates to come out more smoothly!

 

[jimbursch]

@aarellanes It would be helpful if you posted an update at Dash Central:

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Buy-Sell-Dash-directly-within-the-WALLET

That way anyone who is interested can go to one place for the latest update, instead of searching the forum. Even if you just posted a link to this thread it would be helpful.

 

[aarellanes]

@aarellanes It would be helpful if you posted an update at Dash Central:

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Buy-Sell-Dash-directly-within-the-WALLET

That way anyone who is interested can go to one place for the latest update, instead of searching the forum. Even if you just posted a link to this thread it would be helpful.

@jimbursch Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[aarellanes]

UPDATE:

We are presenting the 2 confirmed wallets the mock ups this week.
Once we have approval for the mock ups we will make an official announcement of our partnerships!

 

[aarellanes]

UPDATE:

We Demonstrated Mock ups to 2 Wallets and are working on some of the suggestions that they made durning the demonstration and are looking to do a follow up demonstration in the near future! We are still waiting a bit for an Official announcement with one of the wallets but right now we are Continuing to work hard on the Hash Engineering Solutions - Dash Wallet for Android Devices!

 

[solarguy]

More options is better. I will likely vote yes (after further study), so don't take this the wrong way.

I initially thought I could just buy Dash right from the wallet. Wow, Awesome!

Except, not really. It just connects me to Wall of Coins, and then I have to arrange a transaction with another person, and probably go to their bank.

 

[aarellanes]

@solarguy, Thank you very much for commenting and sharing your thoughts! This proposal was passed by the Dash Community several weeks ago.

We are working hard with a couple wallets to make buying Dash with paper money a reality!

The original screenshots that were posted with this proposal were just an example and are not what the end project entails. The WallofCoins Technology team is working hard to make the integration as smooth as possible with all implement 100% approved by the Wallet Creators!

 

[aarellanes]

Update:

WallofCoins is working on putting everything together with the integration! We will begin development for Hash Engineering's Wallet soon!

Thank you to everyone for taking the time to read the updates!

 

[aarellanes]

Update:

WallofCoins is beginning the development for the Hash Engineering's Wallet! We hope to have a hands on demonstration review ready ASAP for the Hash Engineering team soon!

 

[Instacoins]

I just jumped over that and I am a bit confused. I also saw a similar proposal where someone is collecting funds for a fiat gateway. The exchange is charging fees. Why are you not paying for the integration yourself. You have the cash since you make money on the exchange. Why are you charging the Community for an Integration of your own commercial Service.

We are Building an exchange to buy dash with CC. Should I know start a proposal to bill the Community for integration of my Commercial Service? Doesnt really make sense to me (and I am not saying that as a competetor).

 

[aarellanes]

Update:

The WallofCoins Devs are working diligently on the integration with the Hash Engineering Solutions - Dash Wallet! We hope to present some changes VERY soon Hope to update everyone on Hash Engineerings option once we present to them!

 

[aarellanes]

Update:

We are hard at work wrapping up the 1st wallet integration. We are looking to wrap up this Project ASAP! We have an emergency need for an android developer to finish the hash engineering development They can inquire to Jobs at Wallofcoins.com

(Make sure at is @)

 

[aarellanes]

UPDATE:

For the Hash Engineering Wallet Integration we hired a full time android developer who is working hard on the integration for the wallet and we are very pleased with them! We are eager to get this wallet completed!

 

[MizzyMax]

Integrations do not help us. Understand that if we want integrations like this, we must build a system to allow integrations to be added by any user to our wallet. for their own profit they can add themselves. Which I believe is what core is working on with the marketplace. So no, Wall of coins is a business and will end up profiting from this deal without building up our system.

Also know that if wall of coins is integrated and one day rips off customers, users will not support our wallet. Not a good idea to support a third party that needs trusted.

 

[joemoraca]

I have includes some screen prints (click on the thumbnail to see them) that Robert sent me about the new workflow for the Dash Android wallet. For more info see https://www.dashforcenews.com/buy-sell-dash-directly-within-wallet-proposal-review/

 

[Kevin Stalker]

Not bad. Is it deliberate that the dash logo is not blue in one of the screenshots? Also, it feels a little technical. For example I have no idea what an OTP is.