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Should we give $1 to everyone who signs up and verifies with SMS OTP ?

  • yes

    Votes: 22 62.9%
  • no

    Votes: 13 37.1%

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stan.distortion

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If you are going to the SMS route you don't actually need to store the Phone Number. Instead, you can store a Hash of the Phone Number, this way you can still check whether the Number has been used before without needing to store it. Though of course is pre supposed a certain level of trust in you. It's mostly to your own advantage if for example a government comes asking for that data you can honestly answer that you don't have it.
Really bad idea imho, there are only a relatively small number of phone numbers possible so it would be relatively easy to brute force a simple hash. Not sure beyond that though, the hashes re-hashed with another key would work but would put all the trust on the key holder, needs someone with crypto knowhow.
 

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If you are going to the SMS route you don't actually need to store the Phone Number. Instead, you can store a Hash of the Phone Number, this way you can still check whether the Number has been used before without needing to store it. Though of course is pre supposed a certain level of trust in you. It's mostly to your own advantage if for example a government comes asking for that data you can honestly answer that you don't have it.
yes thanks that's what we are planning to do anyway ;)
 

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If you are going to the SMS route you don't actually need to store the Phone Number. Instead, you can store a Hash of the Phone Number, this way you can still check whether the Number has been used before without needing to store it. Though of course is pre supposed a certain level of trust in you. It's mostly to your own advantage if for example a government comes asking for that data you can honestly answer that you don't have it.
This would be a Solomonic decision.
 
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Really bad idea imho, there are only a relatively small number of phone numbers possible so it would be relatively easy to brute force a simple hash. Not sure beyond that though, the hashes re-hashed with another key would work but would put all the trust on the key holder, needs someone with crypto knowhow.
Read the below..

https://security.stackexchange.com/...g-phone-numbers-without-actually-knowing-them
drewbenn said:
"So for a pretty minimal expense an attacker could brute force any 10-digit number and unique salt combination in about a day (less if they only tested real area codes), or all the interesting numbers (those in the target's area code and physically adjacent area codes) in about 5 minutes."
:(


but there is a solution, proposed h-idden

With Isemis mention of "probability of false positives" I thought about Zero-knowledge proof. This answer makes no claims to be secure as it was never reviewed, so others should review and comment it. I am no professional security expert either and I didn't have the time to make sure the low number of possible phone numbers might be a problem.

  1. User A and User B connect to each other (directly or via server) and assign a random identifier (RI) to each contact their contacts and stores it in a list (LA and LB) together with the phonenumber padded with the nonce and after applying a Key derivation function. LA stays at A and LB stays at B.
  2. User A proves one round of knowlege (see Zero-knowledge proof) for each of the numbers in list LA together with RI. User B has to find out by bruteforce to which of the contacts in LB each RI of A might fit. Each contact without fit is dropped out of LB. Possible fits are stored in the list for next round to improve bruteforce speed.
  3. User B proves one round of knowlege for each of the numbers in list LB together with RI. User A has to find out by bruteforce to which of the contacts in LA each RI of B might fit. Each contact without fit is dropped out of LA. Possible fits are stored in the list for next round to improve bruteforce speed.
  4. Repeat step 2 and 3 often enough to be statistically secure that each one has proven each of the numbers to the other user.
  5. Optional: exchange the remainings in lists LA and LB in a secure way mentioned by others or via a secure channel between User A and User B to be sure the matching of RIs was correct.
With this algorithm the server or an observer never learns any relevant information about the contacts of A or B except their count and how many they have in common. User A and B only learn the same information as the server and the common contacts.

Since the first steps of the algorithm are exponential and ressource intensive one should include protection against DOS in implementations.
o_O:)

Or maybe another solution is to ask an authority to blindly sign a message containing your phone number, then implement some kind of a zeroknowlege proof.
 
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Why exactly did you do this , I just dont understand why you want to give away our ideas to others which doesn't give anything in return ??.
Can you please explain whats your motivation
 

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Why exactly did you do this , I just dont understand why you want to give away our ideas to others which doesn't give anything in return ??.
Can you please explain whats your motivation
We are talking about human lives who need 5$ to survive.
The more cryptocurrencies compete eachother by giving to the poor people some dividend, the better it is.
 

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That's a noble idea so I am going to reserve by bashing , but don't do this in future

I am here to promote dash and dash only

If you want to promote your own ideas feel free to do it , but this particular one is my idea , so the minimum you should do is take consent before sharing it with our rivals don't you think ??
 

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That's a noble idea so I am going to reserve by bashing , but don't do this in future

I am here to promote dash and dash only

If you want to promote your own ideas feel free to do it , but this particular one is my idea , so the minimum you should do is take consent before sharing it with our rivals don't you think ??
I appreciate your optimism, but I have the bad feeling that the proposal will fail both here and in PIVX.
Your proposal is awesome, but the daemons are the majority in this universe, and the bad always prevails.
 

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i am not talking about the idea failing or winning , i am saying , why did you take the privilege of copying my idea ( word -to -word ) and use it elsewhere ?
 

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i am not talking about the idea failing or winning , i am saying , why did you take the privilege of copying my idea ( word -to -word ) and use it elsewhere ?
Because this is what I always do. There is not a single idea, not a single word, that originates from me.
 

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thats real bad behaviour , please stop copy pasting others ideas .. atleast take consent for the love of internet..
You shouldnt complain. There is a clear reference to you, in the first sentence of the proposal in PIVX. You are priviledged in that sense, this is something I dont usally do in most of my other proposals.
 

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just to be clear, this campaign might not sound sexy, but this is one that gives most bang for the buck , when you look at cost per user acquisition
 

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Why would somebody want to go to the trouble of brute forcing a list of hashed telephone numbers of people who received Dash?
Even though it may be cheap, the payoff is what?
 

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Got a Big update everyone , i am very excited to announce that UI/UX part for https://getfreedash.com is done , we are doing some final testing and we will launch a pilot with few 100 users by giving them $1 each

Your comments are welcome !!
Congratulation!
Add a FAQ in the site.

My first question in this FAQ is:
What countries are supported?
 

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Thrilled to see Max Keiser doing a piece on Crypto Revolution in Africa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKrlJqWnPQM&t=1095s

This is the main focus of our campaign , to participate in the world's fastest growing consumer crypto market in Africa by enabling millions to onboard to dash an experience the power of Low fees and faster transactions Given the current economic instability in zimbabwe we plan to launch our first campaign there
importers are facing lot of hardship due to the lack of dollars and dash can help them overcome this crisis https://qz.com/1119396/how-did-zimbabwes-economy-collapse/

let me know what you are thoughts are you prefer us to start with zimbabwe or venezuela

Thanks
 

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let me know what you are thoughts are you prefer us to start with zimbabwe or venezuela
Thanks
Both zimbabwe and venezuela are countries rich in rare minerals or petrol, thats why US focus on them.
If your SMS-OTP is for profit, you should go there and compet US government and the world monetary system in their try to control the economy of these countries.
If your SMS-OTP is a non profit, you should choose other countries, which are in a worst situation than zimbabwe or venezuela
 
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i need few news pieces which show the severity of financial situations of the respective countries , i dont want to get into conspiracy theories , only economic facts

This is not non profit , its marketing for the most needy customers !!
 

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By the way, together with SMS-OTP, you should also stream to the target countries the Dash blockchain from a Geosynchronous Satellite, proposed by @Gilemon

This is because the people in these poor countries have limited internet bandwidth in their phones, so downloading the whole blockchain in their phones will be very costly for them. On the other hand, most of them may have satellite dishes, so if the blockchain was broadcasted from space, they could get the whole blockchain almost instantly.
 
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Receiving $1 for your phone number feels scammy and I'm afraid it will give people a bad impression of Dash. Same for the referral system.
I'm also not convinced that phone numbers aren't cheaper than $1 if you buy them in bulk. I expect this can be exploited.
It will have to be a no from me.

Edit: Now I'm confused, is this an old proposal or a new proposal?
 
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Receiving $1 for your phone number feels scammy and I'm afraid it will give people a bad impression of Dash. Same for the referral system.
I'm also not convinced that phone numbers aren't cheaper than $1 if you buy them in bulk. I expect this can be exploited.
It will have to be a no from me.

Edit: Now I'm confused, is this an old proposal or a new proposal?
This is not a proposal. It is a private initiative. It will may become a proposal, if @Dashmaximalist decides it, or if you can give 5 Dash proposal fee for it to become a proposal.
Read the old initial discussion, and your questions will be asnwered.
Yes I know, most of MNOs are stupid, illiterate and unable to read. If this is your case, then look at this image here.
 
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Receiving $1 for your phone number feels scammy and I'm afraid it will give people a bad impression of Dash. Same for the referral system.
I'm also not convinced that phone numbers aren't cheaper than $1 if you buy them in bulk. I expect this can be exploited.
It will have to be a no from me.

Edit: Now I'm confused, is this an old proposal or a new proposal?
please click on my signature which talks about this proposal its arguments and counter arguments etc

Now coming to your questions, in the countries we are targeting , you just cant buy SIM cards in Bulk because you need to show ID verification and so on , In india there is a hard limit of 6 SIMs per person and the most important thing is 'the cost of getting a SIM card in the countries we are targeting is more than $1 most of the times
 
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This idea implicitly targets third world folks to whom $1 is significant. I shall vote "yes" if it becomes a proposal.