Donating DASH from the budget to the Venezuelan people

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ScioMind

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It is sad that a child should live like this. It is pathetic that you would stoop to exploit a child's suffering in an effort to deflect your own guilt. It is pathetic that you feel the need to hijack a thread, such as this, which could actually serve to improve the conditions of countless people (in this case the people of Venezuela) including children, in your sad attempts to tear down Dash. Your actions are truly disgusting and despicable...and everyone here can now see it.
 

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It is sad that a child should live like this.
Pure hypocrisy.

You, the old greedy (gold, fiat, bitcoin, dash) generation, you are the cause of the suffering of this child. Stop pretending you are innocent, stop pretending you are sad. You have caused this suffering, and deep inside your filthy soul, I can see the demon smiling.

The brainwashed slaves (like you) consider money as a religion and/or as a property issued by kings, priests, presidents or satoshis. But for the free persons money is not a property, it is yet another social convention, a social contract. The new generation should obviously be considered as one of the contracting parties. Give to the children and to the new generation the money they are entitled to, as the world citizens of the future, and give it now!
 
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Pure hypocrisy.
You are the hypocrite, and you can no longer hide.

You, the old greedy (gold, fiat, bitcoin, dash) generation, you are the cause of the suffering of this child. Stop pretending you are innocent, stop pretending you are sad. You have caused this suffering, and deep inside your filthy soul, I can see the demon smiling.
Again, nonsense.

The brainwashed slaves (like you) consider money as a religion and/or as a property issued by kings, priests, presidents or satoshis. But for the free persons money is not a property, it is yet another social convention, a social contract. The new generation should obviously be considered as one of the contracting parties. Give to the children and to the new generation the money they are entitled to, as the world citizens of the future, and give it now!
I DO consider money to be property. For example, I see YOUR money as YOUR money, and would never try to take it from you by fraud, force, or coercion. But then again, I am moral, unlike you -- and now everyone can see you for what you are.

And while money IS property, I also agree that its USE should be voluntary, or a "social contract" as you have said. I also believe that it is in the interest of the Venezuelan people to use Dash voluntarily, as individuals and not through any sort of coercion:
How will Dash (or any other cryptocoin) arrive in the hands of the Venezuelan people? Well, mostly they will simply BUY Dash with their hyper-inflated fiat currency. Many of the really smart ones have already done so, and will probably continue to do so, and their example will certainly influence others to do so. Of course, because their fiat IS hyper-inflated they will be able to buy less crypto today than they could yesterday, but more than they would be able to tomorrow. Buying crypto (or gold, for that matter, or ANY other "scarce collectible item") which maintains its value much better than hyperinflationary Venezuelan fiat would therefore be a fantastic hedge against inflation, and would actually serve to counteract it.

Let's say someone in Venezuela buys enough Dash for a loaf of bread. Tomorrow, if they had kept their fiat, inflation would have made that loaf cost more in terms of fiat - but they would find that the Dash they bought is still enough for the loaf. Buying Dash would be VERY wise for any Venezuelan at this time.

So, again, to answer your question of HOW the Venezuelans would acquire Dash: they would BUY it, just like I did.

My "retarded brain" (as you so unnecessarily and rudely put it - which says far more about YOU than me, by the way) has not been "brainwashed" in any way. That is why I, as an individual, without government assistance or charity, made the conscious choice to exchange my fiat money for Dash. I saw the value, and decided that in the long run Dash would be far more valuable to me and others than the fiat I paid for it. And I DON'T live in a hyperinflationary economy.

You are correct, however, when you assert that the name does not matter, but that the essence matters. But you do so in the context of comparing Dash (instant, anonymous, practically free transactions, plus an amazing development team which makes Dash extremely agile and adaptable as need be) with "stamps, or paintings of Van Gogh, or the underwears of Princess Diana or of Elvis Presley." If you see these things as "essentially equivalent," well...to put it nicely, perhaps you're a bit over your head here. (In reality, though, I suspect you aren't as foolish as you seem to be; your transparent anti-Dash agenda is simply indefensible and non-reality-based, and essentially forces you into ridiculous arguments and assertions. I actually wonder if you're being paid to sow discord here....)

And yes, the IP addresses of the Masternodes are public, and could be blocked by the Venezuelan government. But all that would do is temporarily prevent the instant and private features of Dash. The Venezuelan people running normal Dash nodes (i.e., not Masternodes) would still be able to communicate with other normal Dash nodes, and the currency could therefore still be exchanged, albeit a bit slower. Of course, it is rather trivial to run a VPN (Vritual Private Network) on one's computer or even one's phone, completely bypassing any attempts to block access to the Masternodes, meaning any such attempts would ultimately be ineffective and temporary at best.

Furthermore, what reason would there even be for the government to make such ineffective attempts? Despite political corruption, the citizens can vote for their president and all other politicians. It is a democratic republic. If the people want Dash enough (or any other crypto) then they will simply vote for politicians who support Dash. Besides, the increased financial health and stability which would be experienced by the citizens and the nation as a whole would certainly be viewed as positive by the government, and would help those in power (who support the use of Dash) to get reelected.

And I didn't say that Dash was "the" coin of the international community. I said it was "a" coin of the international community - and it IS. It's also, by the way, the BEST if one wants a coin for transacting in real-world brick-and-mortar stores. Using Dash "enslaves" (your word) no one: it frees them from the shackles of government fiat, and the very real world threat of out of control fiat printing and the ensuing inflation.

Lastly, your assertions regarding the "greedy Dash generation of 2014-2016" (as well as your sill avatar) are, again, simply designed to produce discord. ALL normal, healthy people want what is good for themselves and their loved ones, and that includes financial well-being. Anyone who had the foresight to take the very real RISK and purchase whatever amount of Dash they could afford in 2014-2016 wasn't being "greedy," they were simply looking after their own financial welfare, to the best of their ability. Good for them!
 

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I DO consider money to be property. For example, I see YOUR money as YOUR money, and would never try to take it from you by fraud, force, or coercion. But then again, I am moral, unlike you -- and now everyone can see you for what you are.

And while money IS property, I also agree that its USE should be voluntary, or a "social contract" as you have said. I also believe that it is in the interest of the Venezuelan people to use Dash voluntarily, as individuals and not through any sort of coercion:
And I see your money (and my money too), as a badge the community gave to us. This badge can be taken away (by community decision) at any time upon community needs, or as long as the one who received the badge betrays the community.

Furthermore someone GAVE me the dash I own, I didnt buy it using fiat money. So my money/badge worths more than yours.
 
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Riiiight... so if 51% of people vote to take away the money of the 49% of people, that is ok?

Luckily, cryptos have one basic advantage over fiat money. It can't be taken away by the likes of you.
That's what makes it valuable, among other things.

And please stop with the "you have money, so you must have stolen it from someone else" mantra. It's getting old.
 
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Riiiight... so if 51% of people vote to take away the money of the 49% of people, that is ok?
You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.
Luckily, cryptos have one basic advantage over fiat money. It can't be taken away by the likes of you.
Of course it cant be taken, but as long as you have no community to support and believe in your crypto-money, your crypto turns useless. Beware, because if no one supports you, then your crypto enters the testnet zone, and it is not taken seriously.
 
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And I see your money (and my money too), as a badge the community gave to us. This badge can be taken away (by community decision) at any time upon community needs, or as long as the one who received the badge betrays the community.

Furthermore someone GAVE me the dash I own, I didnt buy it using fiat money. So my money/badge worths more than yours.
The right to acquire and keep one's property is fundamental to the proper operation of a free society. This is a fundamental right, not a privilege graciously granted to us by others. This is true of one's home, food, car, clothes, money, etc. Anyone who would argue that "society," or "the government," or a "king," or "politicians" can simply take away the private property of others is an immoral fool.

No one GAVE me the Dash I own, nor did they give me the money I used to buy it. I earned that money from hard work, and that hard work involved creating VALUE for others. Thus the Dash I own was likewise earned from hard work, and is a result of the fruits of my labor and the VALUE I created for others. If the fruits of my labor do not belong to me, then I am no better than a slave, and anyone who would argue for the enslavement of others is immoral and evil.

You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.

Of course it cant be taken, but as long as you have no community to support and believe in your crypto-money, your crypto turns useless. Beware, because if no one supports you, then your crypto enters the testnet zone, and it is not taken seriously.
Whether or not 51% of the servers COULD steal the money of others is not the issue. After all, any group of immoral thugs COULD hold me up at gunpoint and steal from me, but that does not make it right...it makes it IMMORAL and WRONG....just like you.
 

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You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.
But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.
 
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But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.
Exactly!
 

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But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.
I dont think so. If you confiscate a portion from the richest wallet, and give it to the poor and the young people, I think this will skyrocket the value of Dash.
Because this will prove that Dash is operated by a community and not by a bunch of mute servers that belong to spies and agents.
But before doing this, you should first give to the poor and the young the remaining money from the budget, which is burned every month.
 

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You know, your idea was already tried many times.
One of the more notable places where it was tested was Venezuela. As you can see, it didn't really end well.
 

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The right to acquire and keep one's property is fundamental to the proper operation of a free society. This is a fundamental right, not a privilege graciously granted to us by others. This is true of one's home, food, car, clothes, money, etc. Anyone who would argue that "society," or "the government," or a "king," or "politicians" can simply take away the private property of others is an immoral fool.
The right of property is a bounded right. You can have property, but within limits. You cannot have all the money neither all the land of the world , and the rest people have nothing. These bounds should be set by the community in a permanent never ending referendum (where the community will continuously vote the numbers) . These bounds should not be set by a government, a king, a politician or a priest.

Similarly, I think it is immoral the greedy dash generation of 2014-2016 , their friends and their heirs to hold the 2/3 of the total dash. The Dash community should set a bound on this, by voting the numbers.
 
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You know, your idea was already tried many times.
One of the more notable places where it was tested was Venezuela. As you can see, it didn't really end well.
And you also, you will not end well. Your corpse will be devoured by worms. This is because the daemons are the majority in this universe. Nothing good can survive in this evil universe, and the bad always prevails. But this doesnt mean we dont have to fight for the good. Because our fight and out wish is recorded in the knowledge tree, and when we will collapse as persons, and when the whole universe will collapse, then we will receive a reward because we fought the evil forces that caused this collapse. We are already doomed, but the fight matters.

Furthermore, my idea (Democracy) has been tried only once, 2500 years ago. Stop confusing Direct Democracy with Republic or Communism/Socialism.
 
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The right of property is a bounded right. You can have property, but within limits. You cannot have all the money neither all the land of the world , and the rest people have nothing. These bounds should be set by the community in a permanent never ending referendum (where the community will continuously vote the numbers) . These bounds should not be set by a government, a king, a politician or a priest.
No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of another. Tyranny by the masses is still tyranny and still immoral.

Similarly, I think it is immoral the greedy dash generation of 2014-2016 , their friends and their heirs to hold the 2/3 of the total dash. The Dash community should set a bound on this, by voting the numbers.[/QUOTE]
If the early adopters of Dash saw an opportunity and invested or held when others did not have the same foresight, and now have something of value, then good for them. Furthermore, their masternodes are working to support instant transactions and the rest of the amazing Dash network, while you are attempting to destroy it.


And you also will not end well. Your corpse will be devoured by worms. This is because the deamons are the majority in this universe. Nothing good can survive in this evil universe, and the bad always prevails. But this doesnt mean we dont have to fight for it. Because our figh and out wish is recorded in the knowledge tree, and when the whole universe will collapse, we will receive the reward because we fought the evil forces that caused this collapse. We are already doomed, but the fight matters.
We all face the same end, of course, but has nothing to do with demons. I agree that while we are here we should fight for the good....not because we expect some reward later on, but simply because it is good to be good, and to oppose the evil and immoral, like you.
 

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I agree that while we are here we should fight for the good.....not because we expect some reward later on, but simply because it is good to be good.
I think that if you dont expect an afterlife reward or punishment, this gives you great incentives to become an evil person. Because if you turn to evil, this makes your life in this universe easier. I suppose your worldview, which dictates you that there is no life after death and that there is no reward or punishment for your actions, transformed you to the evil person you are today. But I assure you that all the people you have intentionally or unintentionally hurted in this life, you will meet them in the future, and you will be punished for all your injustices.
 
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I think that if you dont excpect an afterlife reward or punishment, this gives you great incentives to become an evil person. Because if you turn to evil, this makes your life in this universe easier. I suppose your worldview, which dictates you that there is no life after death and that there is no reward or punishment for your actions, transformed you to the evil person you are today.

But I assure you that all the people you have intentionally or unintentionally hurted in this life, you will meet them in the future, and you will be punished for all your injustices.
Both evil and good have been perpetrated by those who claim to believe in some afterlife reward or punishment. Is one a morally "good person" because one seeks reward, or fears punishment? The TRULY moral and good person is good DESPITE any such hopes or fears.

And it is obvious that despite whatever you claim to believe regarding an afterlife, it has not prevented you from espousing principles of evil. And you are exposed for what you are.
 

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You must be a very bad person to require a threat of afterlife punishment to be good to people...
I am not a bad person. I am a person who expects justice.
 

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Both evil and good have been perpetrated by those who claim to believe in some afterlife reward or punishment. Is one a morally "good person" because one seeks reward, or fears punishment?

The TRULY moral and good person is good DESPITE any such hopes or fears.
The truly moral and good person is the one who wants to be judged for his actions.

Despite what your worldview dictates, the good and the evil is not something vague and subjective. It is objective and it can be measured, by grades of pain you cause to the others.

This measured pain, although recorded into the knowledge tree, it is kept secret by the daemons. But it will be revealed when the current state/universe of the daemons will collapse.

The pain your greedy old generation caused to the child in the picture, is enough to classify you to the evil. And the fact that you name the good as evil, and the evil as good, will classify you even more to the evil ones.
 
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The truly moral and good person is the one who wants to be judged for his actions.

Despite what your worldview dictates, the good and the evil is not something vague and subjective. It is objective and it can be measured, by grades of pain you cause to the others. The pain your greedy old generation caused to the child in the picture, is enough to classify you to the evil. And the fact that you name the good as evil, and the evil as good, will classify you even more to the evil ones.
I have no problem being judged for my actions. I also do not believe that morality (or good and evil) are "vague and subjective." And nothing I have said indicates otherwise...which is OBVIOUS to anyone reading this, and simply exposes you as a very blatant (and rather unskilled) liar.

To state that I caused that poor child's pain is purely ludicrous...and, again, very OBVIOUSLY so to anyone reading this. You are doing yourself (and whatever "cause" you are serving - which I suspect involves being a paid agent, tasked with spreading discord on these forums) by making yourself look like a fool...which is actually fine with me, lol!
 
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Thanks a lot mate , this time around i am looking for partners to go along with me.

this has many advantages

this increases the legitimacy of the whole project

it increases the transparency when they are multiple eyes watching things.

and it gives me a huge moral boost.

so let me know if you guys are ready to partner on this, i have completed all the tech work anyway , so what i am looking for some one who can rally the troops and market the proposal primarily.
I'm am travelling until the 24th of January, When I return home I am going to begin working on all DASH things full time.
This is something I am willing to commit time and effort to so we hopefully see it succeed. I can also round up a lot of yes votes for this.
 
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To state that I caused that poor child's pain is purely ludicrous...
You stated that it is moral someone to have all the money and all the land of the world. You stated that the property of the rich should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing. You refuse to give a portion of property to the new generation. So the child's pain is caused because of your "morality". You are one of the responsible for the pain of this child.

The good and the evil is not something vague and subjective. It is objective and it can be measured, by grades of pain you cause to the others. This measured pain, although recorded into the knowledge tree, it is kept secret by the daemons. But it will be revealed when the current state/universe of the daemons will collapse.

If you consider yourself as a moral person who truly seeks justice, then you should expect to be judged for whatever pain your immoral/wrong theory/worldview caused to the others, also expect to be judged for your refusal to act in order to relieve this pain. The recorded pain of the others that is caused because of your attitude, will determine your punishment. Otherwise keep telling the lies of the daemons, that the knowledge tree does not exist and that justice can not be attributed, and I assure you that you will be punished for this also.
 
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You stated that it is moral someone to have all the money and all the land of the world. You stated that the property of the rich should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing.
I stated none of that. If I did, then simply quote me. You are an immoral liar, and are being exposed as such, with your own words.
You refuse to give a portion of property to the new generation. So the child's pain is caused because of your "morality". You are one of the responsible for the pain of this child.
You have no idea of what I do or do not give to charity, or the means by which I choose to do so. You, however, are on here begging for money for yourself (note the part near the top where it says "If you like any of my pre-proposals, give me some tip in dash:XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX so that I could add it to the budget system Feb 11, 2017") while telling others to give. You want to take, while exhorting others to give. (Advice to others: Give this man nothing. If you like a pre-proposal of his, then make the proposal yourself. Do not support him.) You demonstrate immoral hypocrisy at every step, and are being exposed for what you are.
If you consider yourself as a moral person, then you should expect to be judged for the pain your immoral theory caused to the others.
I actually DO expect to be judged, and I expect YOU to be judged as well, by the readers of this forum. I expect to be judged as someone who exposed you as an immoral, deceitful, theft-promoting hypocrite, and I expect you to be judged...well...as an immoral, deceitful, theft-promoting hypocrite.
 
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You stated that it is moral someone to have all the money and all the land of the world. You stated that the property of the rich should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing.
I stated none of that. If I did, then simply quote me. You are an immoral liar, and are being exposed as such, with your own words.
Of course you stated both. Here is the quote:
The right of property is a bounded right. You can have property, but within limits. You cannot have all the money neither all the land of the world , and the rest people have nothing. These bounds should be set by the community in a permanent never ending referendum (where the community will continuously vote the numbers) . These bounds should not be set by a government, a king, a politician or a priest.
No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of another. Tyranny by the masses is still tyranny and still immoral.
 

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I agree that I (proudly) said "No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of another. Tyranny by the masses is still tyranny and still immoral."

I did NOT say "that it is moral someone to have all the money and all the land of the world." I also did NOT say "that the property of the rich should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing."

You are attempting to make an immoral and false equivalence. More deceit on your part, and once again you are exposing yourself as a promoter of lies and immorality.
 

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I agree that I (proudly) said "No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of another."
Your quote is equivalent to say that someone is allowed to have all the money and all the land of the world. You just admited that even in that case, no group, no matter how many, has the righ to confiscate a portion of this property.

Your quote is also equivalent to say that the rich's property should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing. You said that no group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate a portion of the property of a rich who earned his wealth in an unfair manner. You also said that no group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate a portion of the property of a rich in order to relieve the pain of many people who own nothing.

If your quote is not as absolute as it looks, then express it again, by mentioning the exceptions.
 
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Your quote is equivelant to say that someone is allowed to have all the money and all the land of the world. Even in this case, no group, no matter how many, has the righ to confiscate this property.

Your quote is also equivalant to say that the rich's property should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing. No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of a rich who gain his wealth in an unfair manner, or confiscate the property of the rich in order to relieve many people's pain.
Wow. Utterly stupid.

If Alice steals an item from Bob, the item does not become the "property" of Alice; it still rightfully belongs to Bob. In such a case, Bob would be justified in attempting to reclaim his rightful property from Alice. Clear enough, demo? We agree, I hope.

If, however person Carl acquires his property through non-coercive means, such as by free uncoerced trade, or by investment, or any other MORAL means, then Dick has no right to attempt to coercively take that property from Carl. Don't be a Dick, demo.

EDIT: For other members of the board, and to show the dishonesty of demo, please note that the quote from demo at the start of this post was originally the entirety of the previous post to which I was replying. It was only later, after I answered him, that he modified his post to it look slightly less stupid...and it still only looks VERY stupid indeed. I have put the parts he added in red:

Your quote is equivalent to say that someone is allowed to have all the money and all the land of the world. You just admited that even in that case, no group, no matter how many, has the righ to confiscate a portion of this property.

Your quote is also equivalent to say that the rich's property should not be touched, despite the way they gain this property and despite the pain of those who own nothing. You said that no group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate a portion of the property of a rich who earned
[originally demo wrote "gained" here, instead of "earned"] his wealth in an unfair manner. You also said that no group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate a portion of the property of a rich in order to relieve the pain of many people who own nothing. [Originally this last sentence merely read, "or confiscate the property of the rich in order to relieve many people's pain."]

If your quote is not as absolute as it looks, then express it again, by mentioning the exceptions.
Just another small example of the deceitful tactics of demo.
 
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Wow. Utterly stupid.

If Alice steals an item from Bob, the item does not become the "property" of Alice; it still rightfully belongs to Bob. In such a case, Bob would be justified in attempting to reclaim his rightful property from Alice. Clear enough, demo? We agree, I hope.

If, however person Carl acquires his property through non-coercive means, such as by free uncoerced trade, or by investment, or any other MORAL means, then Dick has no right to attempt to coercively take that property from Carl. Don't be a Dick, demo.
There is no free uncoerced trade. The trade routes are protected by the army and the police of the government. There is no free market also, all the market is controled by the fiat money, which is printed/protected/controled/regulated by the army, the police and the judges of the presidential / parliamentarian republic regime. So whoever buys dash using this unfree fiat money, he earns dash in a non free manner.

Furthermore, as @Dandy correclty stated, it is cryptographicaly impossible to take the property of the richest wallet. What I said is, lets create a new forked blockchain and diminish the richest wallet, and lets give the corresponding dash of this richest wallet to the new generation and/or to the poor. The richest wallet owner is not robbed as long as he can still keep his own version of blockchain. But we should also be free not to recognize the blockchain version of the richest wallet, we should also be free to recognize our community driven blockchain version that diminish the incredibly rich and the incredibly greedy (or any other wallet we think he acts against or refuse to act in favor of the common good of the community).

By using propaganda, advertising and tons of unfree fiat money of the parliamentarian regime, Carl tries to prevent Dick and his friends from creating a new blockchain that diminish Carl's huge wealth. But Dick and his friends will get rid of the greedy Carl one day, I am sure of it.
 
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Feel free to create your own fork, nobody is stopping you.
But don't be surprised if that new fork has drastically lower value than primary Dash blockchain.
 

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@demo anyone can become rich. The question is what will they scrafice todo that. In the us if you take a simple 100 bucks a month and put it in a good index fund after 40 years you will have 1.1 million. One of the greatest issue are people who spend more then they have, don’t invest in themselves, then they say that people who grew up in poverty and have become successful and sacraficed today for tomorrow are the reason they are poor.