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Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?

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  2. no

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  3. other

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  1. demo

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    This is a call to all dash members, and especially the new ones.
    6.000.000 dash have been mined until now, whithin 2 years.
    This means that the generation of 2014-2016 owns at least the one third of dash coins!
    Is this the digital coin of the future?
    What the generation of 2054 will think about the greed (or stupidity) of the 2014-2016 generation?
    Arent you ashamed of being part of such a greedy generation?

    New dashers should never accept this imposed assymetry over time.
    Dash coins should be distributed fairly among generations.

    Lets be part of the digital cash of the future, and not part of the digital cash of 2014-2016.
    Join the movement, Join justice, support the basic income for every newborn dasher.
    For the future generations to welcome us and not curse upon us.
    Lets form a proposal, lets vote it in the budget, and lets implement the appropriate changes .
     
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    If you are not planning to give your "money" to the future generations, then what you have now in your hands is not money at all!! And it will never be money! It will end as a scam , as a pyramid scheme, and in the future everybody will laugh at you, and telling stories about how stupid you were by holding, defending and working for something so useless.

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    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations? yes 1 vote(s) 25.0%, no 3 vote(s) 75.0%, other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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    Look on the bright side @demo. As a virgin you will have no kids impacted by this.
     
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    ignored - ugh
     
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    Do you believe that virgins cannot have kids? I dont think so....Nowdays virgins can have kids. And can remain virgins, if they give birth by a Caesarian section.
     
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    lets leave ur mom out of this demo.
     
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    ok guys
    fun is over !
    get serious or we shut this down !
     
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    I am serious.

    Lets discuss for the future dash generations, for the newborn dashers, to have the share they deserve. The discussion has the goal to form a proposal, to vote it in the budget, and finnaly implement the appropriate changes.

    If you are not interesting in discussing this subject there are plenty of others threads in the forum. Just vote against our cause, and then please go away. Let us talk peacefully and do not distrurb us.

    <vote history>
    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?
    yes demo 1 vote(s) - 11.1%
    no flare mastermined MangledBlue bandidorl victorbx daf halso Zack 8 vote(s) -88.9%
    other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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    Lets be honest. Our cause here, and our goal seems futile. What are our chances to succeed?

    First lets examine what are the chances of dash to succeed. Dash exists into the world context, and in order to be succesfull it has to be accepted not by ordinary people, but by the people who own the majority of the time-space asymmetric coin called dollar. The people who control dollars, who control also violence, they also control the dollar price of dash. The increase of the dollar price of dash is the main reason people come here and the decrease the main reason people leave. The dollar people control the "births" and "deaths" here in dash, similar to what they do in real life where they also control the births and deaths. And because dash is competitive to dollar, only if the dollar holders go against their own interests, only if they go crazy and refuse the dollars they hold, then dash can succeed.

    And even if dash succeeds, then we have to persuade the "whales", the people who own the majority of dash. Those people also own the network of dash , which means that they have full control, they can vote so they can decide what the protocol is, so they have the power to invite or ban from the network whoever they wish. The "whales" have a "monopoly" of a network-like violence, similar to the ordinary monopoly of violence the dollar people have in real life. And because a time-space symmetric dash is competitive to what dash today is, only if the dash holders go against their own interests, only if they go crazy and refuse the dash they hold, then we can succeed.

    It is crazy for us to hope that we will succeed. It is not single crazy, but double crazy because we have to overcome not only dollar, but also dash which is designed as a dollar reflection, idol and icon. Because dash is the same time-space asymmetric cursed money like dollar is.

    But we will continue. Faith can move mountains and we will never give up believing in a fair money. We will conquer dash, we will conquer dollar, we will transform money to a time and space symmetric thing, for the future generations to bless us. Lets drink to our double (or quadruple) craziness! Venceremos!

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    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations? yes 1 vote(s) 9.1% no 9 vote(s) 81.8% other 1 vote(s) 9.1%
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    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?
    yes 3 vote(s) 23.1%

    no 9 vote(s) 69.2%
    other 1 vote(s) 7.7%
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    Just because I'm bored:

    a) A budget proposal, if passed, is not able to confiscate DASH from its existing holders and distribute it to new holders over time. Nor is a budget proposal, if passed, capable of changing the emission rate. So, even if passed, there is no way to create this change.

    b) A budget proposal, even if it could do what you were seeking, would simply be voted down by the people who already hold DASH. As "future potential owners" of DASH don't have a vote any more than "future unborn Americans," then the proposal would be defeated soundly.
     
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    i hope Demo got enough technical skill to make a new coin which has 1 coin emission for each 10 minute block for eternity so that every generation will get equal share of profit as everyone in the early days of mining.
     
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    The dash blockchain is mainly preserved by the masternodes and into the masternodes. Dash is not like bitcoin, where the blockchain is preserved exclusively into the wallets. If the majority of the masternodes decide to change the dash protocol, then it is possible to confiscate dash.

    For example, the majority of masternodes can simply do virtual transactions that implement the confiscation, and sign them as legitimates. Or the majority of masternodes can even invalidate the old blockchain, create a new one similar to the old that includes the confiscation, and sign the new blockchain as the legitimate one.

    Look at ethereum DAO for example, two blockchains exist after the theft. Unfortunately for ethereum DAO, there are no masternodes so there is still a struggle which blockchain is the valid one. This is not the case of dash. In dash the majority of masternodes can agree which is the valid blockchain, sign their decision, change the protocol and the software version of the code they run, and then the issue is resolved that way.

    So yes, confiscation in dash is possible and this is because of the nature of the masternodes, the majority of which control the dash blockchain almost entirely.
     
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    yes of course. It is crazy to believe that the "whales" will ever vote up for their dash to be confiscated. But have a look of what I have already argued.

    It is maybe crazy to believe that the "whales" will ever change their mind and offer part of the dash they hold to the future generations. But the "whales" are similar crazy when they believe that the dollar people will ever allow dash to beat dollar. Dash depends on dollar, dash has a dollar exchange rate, which means that the dollar controls the "births" and the "deaths" of dash. People join dash when dollar price increases, and leave dash when dollar price falls. And as long as dollar controls dash's "births" and "deaths", you can never beat it. The ones who hold dollar will simply destroy dash in a blink of an eye, if dash becomes really dangerous to them.

    If the whales realize how much crazy they are, then they have two choises. Either give up their struggle against dollar, either give up their dream to become the digital cash of the future, or join the generations struggle movement which directly opposes all kind of time-space asymmetric money (dollar and current dash included). The united crazies, will beat dollar (and present dash) in a crazy way that "reasonables" could never imagine.
     
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    No. This is not the correct way to solve the problem.

    "1 coin emission for each 10 minute blocks for eternity" decision contains two magic hardcoded numbers (1 minute and 10 minutes) that may not fit well to a future dash generation (the population and the needs of which remains unknown as long as it is impossible to predict the future). A problem cannot be solved in the future, when the solver insists of planting hardcoded magic numbers into the solution.

    The problem can be solved by defining a basic income tax among dash holders, vote how much this basic income tax should be (depending on how many people constitute the generation and depending on their needs), and vote using numbers.
     
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    The correct way is for you, demo, to fork Dash or whatever other project you're most obsessed with and go do your own retarded socialist bullshit thing. All you do here is stink up the place with your failed economic theory and sloppy thinking.
     
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    The future will reveal who the retarded is. And I bet for sure, that you are the retarded.

    The retarded people of the caves may accepted in the past the time-space asymmetric money (like gold or dollar is) we have now. But the nowdays people (and the future generations even more) are not retarded (like you hope they are). They will never accept the bullshit digital cash you are proposing to them, they will never accept the fact that your generation, the generation of 2014-2016, owns the 1/3 of dash!

    If you think that the future generations are so retarted, then you are tottaly retarded. All you do here is stink up the internet with your failed economic theory and sloppy thinking. You are not only stink up the internet, but also trying to confuse the present and the future generations, you are trying to steal their mind, and transform them again into the people of the caves. Thats why I am here, thats why I will remain here till the end, in order to explain to the newbies and to whoever else arrives here, about what exactly you (and the rest time-space asymmetric cryptocoins) are trying to accomplish.

    You have better give up the stupid dash you have now, and join the future dash I am proposing to you. This is the correct way for you. You have no other choice. Either you join the generations struggle in favor of the future, or perish.

    And for the future generations to know who the retarded was, and who the Pontius Pilate (abstain) was, lets keep the vote history...
    <vote history>
    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?
    yes 3 vote(s) 17.6%
    no 12 vote(s) 70.6%
    other 2 vote(s) 11.8%
    abstain 5186 "votes" (all the rest).99,67%
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    This is for those who can read the numbers.
    <vote history>

    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?
    yes 5 vote(s) 25.0%
    no 13 vote(s) 65.0%
    other 2 vote(s) 10.0%
    abstain 5215 "votes" (all the rest).99,6369%
    </vote history>

    See? This is how miracles stopped to happen. They have decided the miracle power to be distributed failry among all generations, and for then on no miracles happen anymore. Every living owns a tiny amount of miracle power, and only those who are doing hard work and those who incessantly cultivate their miracle share, their talent, they can finnaly succed.
     
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    Please define "Rightly" and "generations"
     
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    <vote history>
    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?

    *yes 5 vote(s) 19.2%
    no 17 vote(s) 65.4%
    other 4 vote(s) 15.4%
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    Would you like the dash coins to be distributed rightly between generations?

    *yes 5 vote(s) 18.5%
    no 18 vote(s) 66.7%
    other 4 vote(s) 14.8%
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