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Discussion in 'Pre + Budget Proposal Discussions' started by kodaxx, Dec 26, 2016.

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Would you support this proposal if it was submitted?

  1. Yes

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  2. Yes, with some changes

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  3. No

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  1. kodaxx

    kodaxx Member

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    I'm not sure what you mean by this?

    This project was born out of something that I wanted to see in the cryptocurrency landscape. I came to Dash to do this project, because it has the feature set that my vision requires (ie Instant transactions). I have had no contact with lead developers or core team members, except the aforementioned.

    I reached out on Dash Nation slack (in general) about the project and nitya decided it was valid enough to work on this with me.
    @moocowmoo is the github owner of the dashvend code (I had originally planned to fork dashvend) and an extremely helpful resource for me thus far.

    The number of people I have conversed with in Dash community can probably be counted on 2 hands outside of the casual comment.

    Dude, I am so confused. I'm not sure why you think the proposal was "pre-ordained" by anyone. I have done nothing but answer questions and concerns here...

    Well I'm glad you think the project is worthwhile?
     
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    I have the answers to most of the concerns regarding pricing and exchanges already worked out. Been sitting on it for almost 2 years due tot he snowflake arrogance of the leadership and community. @Solarminer and I had it ready to go and vendors already willing to participate. I even had a small convenience store/gas station chain on board. But after we pissed off the leadership by bringing the vending machine to last year's Miami conference, shit really hit the fan. Now look at what's on display... They even deleted the video less than 24 hours after uploading it, and the machine has disappeared and doesn't even work anymore... Not sure how they managed to fuck it up...

    This poll has 17 upvotes and 3 maybes (I'm one of them). How many masternodes are there? They're not even smart enough to realize that this matters.

    I already have the hardware and server needed for this proposal. That's 110 DASH that need not even be asked for. I have a bluetooth printer and an old Galaxy Mega 6.3 that I don't use anymore. A Trezor I'm not using (not that this is needed). I have plenty of free resources on my server. The remaining 55 DASH I could personally pay out of pocket without even noticing. Yet nobody sees fit to make sure it happens?

    This is the most important thing DASH should have already been doing for the last two years, and you're willing to do it for a measly 165 DASH, and these jackasses can't even be bothered? This is exactly what drove off the business owners I worked so hard to line up. DASH is filled with people who are viciously opposed to successful business operation. No grown-up business owner wants to get in bed with people who hate business so much. Cryptotards are a bunch of lazy socialists who see the idea of crypto as a weapon they can use to destroy capitalism... It's effing bizarre, and there's no way businesses want to deal with that. DASH has willfully failed to capitalize on it's own invention, and even gone to the extent of sabotaging those who would have done it for them. I'm not sure there's a way to be more of a thing that no business could ever want... These people cut off their whole face to spite their nose, just because the guys leading the charge weren't special snowflakes. News Flash, nobody in the real, grow-up world of business is a special snowflake, has any respect for special snowflakes, or will enter into any sort of an agreement with a special snowflake. They're certainly not going to put their income stream in the hands of special snowflakes. @babygiraffe and @Minotaur did their best to sabotage the vending machine and what we wanted to build out of it last year, and did nothing but troll and misinform every day after. @eduffield mostly stood idly by and let them, but even he, eventually, got involved with the propaganda and misinformation campaign. All in the name of left-fringe hipster snowflake politics and making sure nobody got a piece of their precious piggy bank...

    People willing to go so far into self-destruction just to stab the best allies they ever had in the back... DASH invented the concept of IX, and deliberately destroyed it's own opportunity just because "That guy isn't a Hillary supporter." This project is nothing but lucky that other cryptos have screwed up even worse. XVC was literally days away from making DASH permanently irrelevant before it's lead dev spazzed out. Now we have the usual fanboys trying to downplay lightning. MAID is doing so much more than simply IX... All because the brats hated the very thing that would make them succeed so much that they would throw themselves under the bus just to take me with them?

    No doubt, there's some bad blood between me and this community. Feeeeeelings.... But when the wind blows, the trees bend. It's not about the feelings. It's about the facts behind them. The trolls think they're winning when they talk about "butthurt." It only shows how much more important damaging a non-snowflake is to them, over getting shit done and winning. They destroyed themselves, but think they're holding the trophy of "we fucked over @camosoul, lols!" Reality is that I'm even better off now. I was willing to make a sacrifice for this project, but went back to my primary business instead and made way more money. When you live in your mommy's basement and the only thing that makes you feel good is acting like this... It's like being given the finger by cockroaches. Their whole world is petty, so they have no idea what real things they've lost out on, and that the "damage" they think they've done was actually a godsend... It's not about "feelings." It's about how ridiculously out of touch these people are, and the messed up values they have, where a successful penetration into retail, and the visibility it would give DASH, is less important than spreading lies and hate about the guy who was set to do it for them just because he's not a batshit crazy left-fringe lunatic like they are... I've made more money since then than I made in my entire life up to that point. How could I possibly be butthurt? These people think trolling and swaying the popular opinion of the clueless is more valuable than actually accomplishing anything. Trolling from their mommies' basements is the only thing they've ever done that gave them a rush, so they don't know any better... They have no idea what the satisfaction of accomplishment is because they've never done it. they have no idea the monumental failure to capitalize that they represent, that any real, grown-up business person in the real world can see, because they trolled and loled and think that's all there is to life. Look at captain echo chamber trying to drag me into it over here: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashs-more-incredible-2016.12722/ Look at all the ugly directed at @Solarminer for nothing more than accurate observation... This loser called the answer he doesn't like an ":eek:ff topic rant" just to get the last word before having a mod lock the thread for him. It doesn't matter how or even if BTC solves the problem he's talking about. The entire premise of his question is flawed and I explained it int he very first sentence, just like the premise that throwing away a 2 year head start on your own idea is acceptable because "that guy disagrees with our totally unrelated political interests." The worst part, is that they know it, and don't care. They just want to look like the keyboard warrior that won some silly fight on the Internet... This is what they imagine to be the ultimate prize, because it's all they've ever known. Who wants to do business with that?

    As a footnote, go check the timestamps in that other thread. Even as a keyboard warrior who thinks he's got it all figured out, he still walked right into it, and his chest is still puffed up because he has no idea I made lemonade out of his lemons by setting him up as the perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about here... This is what DASH has become. I gave him the link and everything, and he still didn't read enough to realize I was setting him up... Doesn't matter! Echo Chamber! Marching orders! Why bother to look when you're not going to think about anything you might read anyway?

    If you want/need these funds/resources, I'll be happy to give them to you, no strings attached if the suckernodes can't figure it out. Free stuff. But, I doubt it'll be needed since the King and his Pied Pipers (mentioned above) have deemed you "one of us, one of us..."

    See that look on her face? Yeah. That's @camosoul and @Solarminer when we finally realized what was going on... Be careful getting in bed with these people. They're freaks.

    I took DASH off my website. I was using @nmarley 's plugin. But, if you look at the thread where it was developed, you can see where he refused to make the changes needed to be used in the real world "this is good enough" when it most definitely is not good enough... They just don't get it. They want to cater to their own deluded special snowflake mentality, then wonder why the world doesn't want it... It completely borks the proper flow of an eCommerce transaction and simply insists that it isn't a problem. Didn't even use the "It's a feature, not a bug" excuse...
     
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  3. Super8

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    Bloody hell.
     
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    That.... That is a wicked rant dude.
     
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  5. camosoul

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    Lols, he's puffing up his chest in other threads now (while accusing me of being the egotist), still hasn't read this to see what happened... I really didn't intend for it to be this embarrassing for him, but he's mirrored his own accusations perfectly...

    Perfect representative of DASH...
     
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    So There is one thing i dont get you guys say decentrallised and stuff but just like todays democracy you dont force people to get involved projects need to go up they need to be evaluated not just polled on you cant have a company running without some form of communication and face with all involving parts and if idea's like this are dismissed then DASH will go nowhere i have hopes for crypto but at the same time everyone in this market seems to not want to work and expect that technicality is enought -.- and a girl on youtube you need to tackle hard and you need to explain to the user ME miner and MASTER NODES above all master nodes need to be very active people in order to make sure the ideas and listening equality in the community are achieved and people to spot important ideas or security issues that might appear for exmaple if you dont have experts helping this goes nowehere if you want a Network to achieve a community you need to teach the community to learn the obligations of maintaining a network and keeping the eyes open in order to maintain the network andthis pos if secured you could get merchants by the hundreds just set teams in every major city and impose it and the face i mean is an offcie a store where you tell the people the latest news and projects what the community is voting on etc... you need to bond with the public for any crypto to take flight i mean the people that usually leave home everyday do chores send money to family etc...
     
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    Get 1000 POS send 100 to 10 cities make a team of 2 or 4 and sell them in each city and sell the POS inform the public one thing I Hate about this is the conversations of the people that want to get involved but all they see is ranting in forums I think this needs to change to another way of talking like youtube livestream or smething we need faces we need proper ccomunication and people to keep an eye out for the community and I MEAN SEVERAL PEOPLE community will only work if the cmmunity itself is healthy
     
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    No fewer than 9 snowflake mentions in one rant... That's gotta be a new record or something!

    Here's the wiki definition:

    "Generation Snowflake, or Snowflake Generation, is a term used to characterise young adults of the 2010s as being more prone to taking offence and less resilient than previous generations, or too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own. It is considered derogatory."

    Oh the irony... "prone to taking offence", "too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own" - Look for @camosoul in the dictionary and there's your definition :)

    Walter
     
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  11. Walter

    Walter Active Member
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    This proposal has got my votes BTW. Just like @camosoul and @Solarminer had my votes on the vendor experience proposal that didn't get past the post on that occasion (as extensively documented by camosoul above). The bottom line is that - at the time - the network consensus a) didn't think the time was right for this kind of project, b) didn't think the length of 99 months of payments and 'ongoing nature' of the project was appropriate. It was nothing to do with consipiracies..

    Your proposal looks like it has the legs though so good luck with it and I look forward to seeing how it goes :)

    Cheers

    Walter

    P.S. Don't take @camosoul personally, he seems to think there's a conspiracy against him or something :rolleyes:
     
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    If i want to open the first Dash House basically a trading house for crypto's a small booth :p is this possible /viable?
    Also cant we make a voice chat for forum members to discuss more openly with several rooms and if someone who has good knowledge inside crypto's could help me especially someone with technical knowledge reading without discussing gets me nowhere :D
     
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  14. camosoul

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    3 rebuttal posts? U MAD BRO?

    There's no way to get your foot out of your mouth on this one @Walter - acting like a snowflake gets you snowflake status, the fact that you're older only serves how much worse. How long did it take you to find it? - good day [/fez].
    BTT because this is the most important project thus far proposed. I knew I was not the right person for the job, and said so on multiple occasions. I was willing to push myself to the task simply because it needed done and nobody was doing it. The MNs were unwilling to pay even a fraction of what I'd have to give up to do it, while rubber-stamping pork/scams left and right... The slander and misinfirmation that came out of @babygiraffe @Minotaur and to a lesser extent, @eduffield was spit in the eye after how hard we worked for the dashvend, proved our worth, only to be told it was worthless, and find out they were the very people who tried to keep the dashvend out of the Miami conference. Where is it now? After that, everyone I approached saw the spectacle of such extreme foolishness. I washed my hands of it. DASH needs to grow up if it wants business to take it seriously.

    I'm glad the right person finally showed up willing to work for peanuts; I hope it's salvageable 2 years past the expiration date, and makes him some money on the other end...

    Shall we expect the official proposal post Feb5?
     
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  15. kodaxx

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    Wow! Lots to respond to here! I will get back on tomorrow and respond thoroughly when it's not so late. As for this:

    The official proposal has been up most of the month already, and can be found here:

    https://www.dashcentral.org/p/dash-point-of-sale

    Am I supposed to post it on the forum? I will do that tomorrow as well!
     
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    Once the POS is released, you are more than welcome to get something like this going!

    Lots of crossover here, for sure! Been looking at the documentation. So far, the backend that nitya has built has some other features that I like built in (multiple permission levels, and back office tools/analytics), but there isn't a reason that this can't easily be made to work with either one! Especially being released under the license that we will be using.

    Thanks! It's good to know I have the support

    Again, thanks - we tried to work out most of the conceptual stuff for this stage of the project, even before the pre-poposal.

    Since there are 2 of us working on it, we have moved pretty quickly so far. Also, nitya is brilliant - so when we run across issues they are usually resolved pretty quickly.

    Thanks! We think it's pretty important too. In my mind, instant transactions are a killer feature of DASH - and the importance they have to the practicality of a REAL feasible crypto system is huge.
     
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    Can it take credit/debit card payments and exchange them into Dash?
     
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    TL;DR: No, the POS does not have any wallet functionality.

    This kind of works in the opposite direction - takes Dash (and in the future, will exchange to fiat for the merchant).

    To work in the opposite way is possible, but it's much easier to accomplish even today by using existing credit card processors. Imagine this scenario:
    I'm a merchant, and you want Dash. I use the "square" app on my phone and charge you the current market price for 1 Dash (plus my fee), and then I send you 1 Dash from my wallet to yours.

    The thing about this POS is...it's not a wallet. We chose this route to keep funds more secure from, say, employees and such. The POS only generates addresses to a wallet that you own elsewhere (could be on the same device).
    The other thing about this POS is...it's open source! So if you want to add that functionality, or have a developer add that functionality - it's totally up to you!

    I hope this answers your question.
     
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    This approach is amazing, but of course the banks well over a year ago included this exact pathway as a clear violation of the "terms of service" of every credit card processor/underwriter in the business. Without merchants getting a clear incentive to risk their payment gateway.......getting any company/merchant of significance to try it will be a very hard up hill battle.
     
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    Yeah, all I want is a way to take payments like square and directly exchange it for dash anonymously. Would be pretty sweet. I currently run a service business and I use square. Thing is, I don't like my government knowing what goes on with me and my finances.. They're criminals... I want to move out of my home country hopefully within the next 5 years. ;_;
     
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    Dash Address:
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    Any idea of release date?
    Can I get involved in beta testing?
    Who will produce and sell the standalone terminals?
     
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    Hey, release date is dependant on wallet situation. We did not realize the state of HD wallets when beginning this project. The POS itself can pretty much be released at any time - just waiting on the wallet stuff. In the mean time, we've been adding features (language translation, multi currency, etc).

    Yes, you can get involved in beta testing - on Dash Nation slack, find the #dashpay_pos_beta room and shoot me a message.

    We plan to produce and sell the terminals at cost
     
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    I'm curious, can you explain further?
     
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    I will write a comprehensive update later today and will include a section on that
     
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    How can I get this POS App an my android tablett?
    And can I use it with EUR?
     

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