Dash Core Group Q4 2017 Summary Call

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When the young generation wakes up , then the old greedy generation will be stipped down.
No money, no pension, no home, no medical care, for the old greedy ones. Let the old greedy generation stay with their useless old (fiat or crypto) money, which no one will recognize as a medium of exchange. In the future, when the young generation wakes up, the old greedy generation, due to lack of money, will end up strippers, clowns or any other kind of entertainer.
Not to start engaging you in silly conversation...but who exactly are you referring to as the old greedy generation. Here's a news flash Einstein....ALL GENERATIONS ARE GREEDY...its a proven human trait. Get over it.
 

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Not to start engaging you in silly conversation...but who exactly are you referring to as the old greedy generation. Here's a news flash Einstein....ALL GENERATIONS ARE GREEDY...its a proven human trait. Get over it.
Whatever generation defines money as time and space dependant, is a greedy generation. The money of this generation deserves to be ignored, and this generation has to be punished, for ignoring the rights of the unborn.

Not all generations are greedy (for example, here you are, a non greedy one.) MANY GENERATIONS IN THE PAST NOT ONLY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN, BUT ALSO SACRIFICED THEMSELVES, AND GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.

The fact that you belong to a scam generation (that will be punished ) does not give you the the right to generalize and judge all generations. Not all generations were and will be stupid, greedy and selfish like yours.

"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet"
 
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In the future, when the young generation wakes up, the old greedy generation, due to lack of money, will end up strippers.


If watching 'the old greedy generation' strip is your thing Demo then I applaud your candour for sharing that here... not sure it will be much of a moneyspinner though
 

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Hum, I thought we'd have a new date by now ;) @kot you'll announce in this thread, right?
I agree - communication just started to improve - lets not go downhill again @kot

Also I have 1 more question if I may - when will we see a solid update of Evolution from Core? @Ryan Taylor @fernando @Bradley Zastrow
Be it a demo of some sort or screenshots. It has been 2 years since the Core team has shown proof of work and I think that after 2 years something needs to be demoed. Its getting a little ridiculous and I dont mind if there are delays because this is cutting edge tech etc...There just needs to be something shown after 2 years of effort....Our position is not #12 on CMC for no reason.
 
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I agree and I think all miners and masternode owners who are investing in this project deserve a real update on progress.
I am trying very hard to be patient however its getting a little ridiculous.
 

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I have the same feeling - is it THAT hard to hire/delegate one person from the Core Team just for the purpose of interaction with the community ? I think one of the strongest points of the DASH project is its community - non-trolling professionals with a lot of energy. Do we really want to lose them or make them lose their faith in our project ?

A solid project update and basic demo of some parts of Evo would definitely boost morale. @kot - don't get me wrong but I think your reports don't provide that much of solid data for us. Eg. in the last report the TIME column is marked green for Evolution Frontend, DASH Copay wallet and Evolution DAPI projects. Green color means "Key milestones are met and critical path and delivery end date are not affected." - now, what are the delivery end dates for those projects, are they set for June 2018, March 2020 or November 2046 ?
 
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The planned date for the call is 9th February 2018, 15:00 or 16:00 UTC. I will confirm it a little bit later today - after checking all tools.

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Evolution demo will be shown as soon as it is ready to be presented. It would be very bad idea to present not functional product in development stage. I understand strong desire to see new product but on the other side I would never want to see incomplete software presented as a product
 

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The planned date for the call is 9th February 2018, 15:00 or 16:00 UTC. I will confirm it a little bit later today - after checking all tools.

@Stealth923
Evolution demo will be shown as soon as it is ready to be presented. It would be very bad idea to present not functional product in development stage. I understand strong desire to see new product but on the other side I would never want to see incomplete software presented as a product
Thanks for that kot, as for Evolution we are not asking for a working product just a decent progress update and maybe a few screenshots or something? Give us something to cling to
 

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Thanks for that kot, as for Evolution we are not asking for a working product just a decent progress update and maybe a few screenshots or something? Give us something to cling to
The way I understand it, there are some core elements that make the interface something of a game changer. Revealing one part of the product might compromise other parts. Personally, I don't entirely subscribe to this narrative but this is the way they are approaching it, similar to how amazon, back in the day, introduced their 1-Click shopping. In contrast, Request Network appears relatively open in their approach. With that in mind, I'm okay with Core taking this stance because I'm curious to see how the different philosophies play out. See their blog: https://blog.request.network/
 

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The way I understand it, there are some core elements that make the interface something of a game changer. Revealing one part of the product might compromise other parts. Personally, I don't entirely subscribe to this narrative but this is the way they are approaching it, similar to how amazon, back in the day, introduced their 1-Click shopping. In contrast, Request Network appears relatively open in their approach. With that in mind, I'm okay with Core taking this stance because I'm curious to see how the different philosophies play out. See their blog: https://blog.request.network/
This is fair enough as I am heavily invested and want the best for this project. However, I'm sure they can give us more than they are currently without releasing trade secrets. We are excepting delay after delay, and I don't have a problem with that because I understand what it takes to develop and project and the difficulty with timelines, but come on! We're sitting in a dark room here and there not even talking.
 

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I guess it’s all a juggling act. If the core team don’t want to communicate and provide solid updates after 2 years, to ensure their secrets are safe. Then eventually some of the very big investors will start to exit their positions to reduce their risk profile just in case Evolution never shows its face. Kill the project due to lack of communication and investors getting frustrated or possibly kill it by demoing some magic Evolution secret. Hmmm

The longer this goes on, the lower we will drop on Coinmarketcap and no amount of marketing or good integration news will make us go higher. Hasn’t anyone noticed how much great news we have had yet we continued to drop to #12? Once we drop out of top 20 it’s going to be extremely hard to claw our way back.
 
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Don't worry, once we get Evolution and the DAPI, we can fund a second development team to build a competing ecosystem. Things will be very different when that happens.
 

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As much as it pains me, I need to protect my investment. I will be voting NO for all core proposals that come through from this point on, and I suggest everyone else does too.

I think 2 years is enough time to show some form of Work in progress. They are a smart bunch of people, they can figure out something to demo/communicate without spilling all their secret sauce if they put their mind to it.
 
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One may start to think now that they don't have any product called Evolution at all and it's just a big hoax. How long it will take the community to realize it ? 1 year of development more, 2 years ? Core team doesn't even want to reveal the time frames of particular parts of Evo, which is quite frightening. I hope the concerns of the community will be addressed on Friday call (in a meaningful way), but for now it all looks pretty bad.
 
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As much as it pains me, I need to protect my investment. I will be voting NO for all core proposals that come through from this point on, and I suggest everyone else does too.

I think 2 years is enough time to show some form of Work in progress. They are a smart bunch of people, they can figure out something to demo/communicate without spilling all their secret sauce if they put their mind to it.
You know what, I will be voting no in protest as well! I don't want core to go without funding but they need to see they are making stakeholders unhappy! I hope you wake up before the next budget DASH CORE
 

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Thanks for that kot, as for Evolution we are not asking for a working product just a decent progress update and maybe a few screenshots or something? Give us something to cling to
We are working on the new reporting process within the team. I hope it will satisfy your needs
 

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I guess it’s all a juggling act. If the core team don’t want to communicate and provide solid updates after 2 years, to ensure their secrets are safe. Then eventually some of the very big investors will start to exit their positions to reduce their risk profile just in case Evolution never shows its face. Kill the project due to lack of communication and investors getting frustrated or possibly kill it by demoing some magic Evolution secret. Hmmm

The longer this goes on, the lower we will drop on Coinmarketcap and no amount of marketing or good integration news will make us go higher. Hasn’t anyone noticed how much great news we have had yet we continued to drop to #12? Once we drop out of top 20 it’s going to be extremely hard to claw our way back.
Sorry @Stealth923 , but I think we have completely different goals and vision of the project.
You are interested in gains and position on the Coinmarketcap.com. We are interested in the development of the best payments platform based on the Dash blockchain. We have never committed to any price levels or positions in statistics/charts.
 

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Thanks for that kot, as for Evolution we are not asking for a working product just a decent progress update and maybe a few screenshots or something? Give us something to cling to
The majority of work being done on the v.13 is on specifications and backend side - this is difficult to present as a screenshot.
What am I doing with PMs is a definition of backlogs with clear milestones to visualise progress in the monthly reports
 

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This is to inform about the Dash Core Group Inc. quarterly call to present project progress made during Q4 2017, summarise Core Team activities and answer your questions.

The call takes place on Friday, 9th of February at 15:00 UTC. The call will be recorded and shared on the Dash Youtube channel.

Agenda:
  1. Welcome and Introduction
  2. Software Development Update
  3. Business Development Update
  4. Marketing and Communication Update
  5. Project Organization Update
  6. Project Finance Update
  7. Summary and Comments
  8. Q&A


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Sorry @Stealth923 , but I think we have completely different goals and vision of the project.
You are interested in gains and position on the Coinmarketcap.com. We are interested in the development of the best payments platform based on the Dash blockchain. We have never committed to any price levels or positions in statistics/charts.
Incorrect, I don’t care about price - I am using coin market cap rank as a sentiment indicator of how our project is doing relative to other projects which provide proper updates and communication. Investors are starting to realize Dash core has not shown any substantial evidence that Evolution has made any progress from years ago.

Gaining trust and confidence of investors is an important piece to success. You of all people, as a PM should understand managing the expectations of a client and the importance of effective communication on a projects work in progress. The community has given core ample time (2 Years) to work on Evolution effectively with all budgets passed with little to no questions or proof of work. When would you say is a good time for the community to start asking for evidence? Another few years? The communication coordinator promised over 6 months ago still has not been provided. @Ryan Taylor. Some help here would be good.
 
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@Stealth923 - I think I understood pretty well. I also understand that we will never satisfy all of the people, even communicating 24/7.
We work on the improvements in the communication process and also development. This is what I am able to communicate.
 
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@kot You are working on communication improvements for almost a year now and for Evo backend for 2 years already. In both cases looks like there is no progress at all. Project portfolio reports that you provide each month are pretty useless if we don't see time frames for each part of development. After 2 years the community is fed up with responses like "will be ready when it is ready" and "we're working on it" and requires much better updates from Core Team
 
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I agree, we need more information on development process. I am holding pretty big investment as dozen MNs and, of course, i hope for good but already passed a lot of time but still can not see any progress.
 

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Perspective of the top 11 on CMC:
  • Bitcoin and Litecoin are brothers, using old tech, blockchain 1.0

  • Bitcoin Cash and Dash are sisters, both forward looking and open to change, though Dash is superior for having an ongoing budget

  • Ethereum, Neo, Cardano, NEM and EOS are smart contracting systems whose main purpose is not a store of value

  • Ripple and Stellar have centralization issues

  • IOTA is a DAG, insecure, especially for significant amount of value
This positions dash as number one in it's niche, as a secure permission-less payment network. So please, stop obsessing over rank on CMC.

Now, I can understand the frustrations with the lack of info from Core, but totally defunding them is tantamount to self-harm unless we have a decent backup plan. Thus I propose, if after this call we are still not happy, that we mount a coordinated "A Ban Core Day" (ABCD) - we choose a day to vote them down for 24 hours, then vote them back in, thus sending them a clear message without actually hurting anyone.
 

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Perspective of the top 11 on CMC:
  • Bitcoin and Litecoin are brothers, using old tech, blockchain 1.0

  • Bitcoin Cash and Dash are sisters, both forward looking and open to change, though Dash is superior for having an ongoing budget

  • Ethereum, Neo, Cardano, NEM and EOS are smart contracting systems whose main purpose is not a store of value

  • Ripple and Stellar have centralization issues

  • IOTA is a DAG, insecure, especially for significant amount of value
This positions dash as number one in it's niche, as a secure permission-less payment network. So please, stop obsessing over rank on CMC.

Now, I can understand the frustrations with the lack of info from Core, but totally defunding them is tantamount to self-harm unless we have a decent backup plan. Thus I propose, if after this call we are still not happy, that we mount a coordinated "A Ban Core Day" (ABCD) - we choose a day to vote them down for 24 hours, then vote them back in, thus sending them a clear message without actually hurting anyone.
I think the purpose isn't to actually defund them permanently, but rather withhold funding until demands have been met. His approach simply carries real threat while your approach is more of a gesture.
 
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I think the purpose isn't to actually defund them permanently, but rather withhold funding until demands have been met. His approach simply carries real threat while your approach is more of a gesture.
A threat without a backup plan is worthwhile?

A well coordinated "gesture" would send a significant message. It would be the first time such event takes place and I have no doubt it would help to focus minds. It also buys us time to find an alternative path.
 
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Incorrect, I don’t care about price - I am using coin market cap rank as a sentiment indicator of how our project is doing relative to other projects which provide proper updates and communication. Investors are starting to realize Dash core has not shown any substantial evidence that Evolution has made any progress from years ago.

Gaining trust and confidence of investors is an important piece to success. You of all people, as a PM should understand managing the expectations of a client and the importance of effective communication on a projects work in progress. The community has given core ample time (2 Years) to work on Evolution effectively with all budgets passed with little to no questions or proof of work. When would you say is a good time for the community to start asking for evidence? Another few years? The communication coordinator promised over 6 months ago still has not been provided. @Ryan Taylor. Some help here would be good.
I know you mean well, but I don’t think rank on CMC is indicative of anything — much less something really specific like communication strategy.

From there is it is a really BIG jump to assume that nothing is happening with Evo and start requesting proof of Core’s work.

Evo rollout was always slated for 2018. It is still the beginning of 2018. IMO, your arguments would make a lot more sense year or two from now.
 
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A threat without a backup plan is worthwhile?

A well coordinated "gesture" would send a significant message. It would be the first time such event takes place and I have no doubt it would help to focus minds. It also buys us time to find an alternative path.
I don't disagree. Either way, I think it is a moot point since I very much either plan will have enough MN support to truly matter.
 
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