Basilpop, the Dash subreddit moderator, does not have the temperament to be a moderator (PART 2)

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So tungfa in this thread, because he thought I was "spamming". I got the ban reversed thanks to @TroyDASH, but no apology from @tungfa. Seems to me like another trigger-happy mod who shouldn't be in this position.

Here is the post that is apparently worth a ban for "spam" (from memory, because apparently it's not possible to restore deleted posts):

I agree 100% with this thread. Basilpop has been making trouble on the Dash Reddit for years, and it's seriously hurting Dash. I hope we can find a way to get rid of him and the people that support his terrible behaviour.

@randomalbum Please message me if you need more Dash for the proposal fee.
 

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banned for toxic trolling?
Yes, because defending Dash and calling out well known Monero troll assholes like "xmronadaily" spewing lies about "centralized Masternode instamine scam" over at r/cryptocurrency is now definitely a qualifier for "toxic trolling".

Let's see where you have your "evidence" from: Someone who is no longer moderator of r/cryptocurrency himself (u/travis-). And he intentionally left out what I actually said. Why wouldn't he? I was calling out bullshit from a Monero troll and he definitely does not like that going by his deep XMR community involvement.

You refuse to even look at what actually happened there (or at any of the other instances) and instead choose to make up another lie that fits your narrative here while willingly accepting what a Dash-hating XMR-loyal ex-moderator of r/cryptocurrency tells you.

For that reason you're a willfully ignorant and conniving traitor. Not really surprising though. With a name like "Dashcoiner" you're on the wrong forum anyway. This is the place you're looking for:
http://dashcoin.info/

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I've never been the type to brag about anything I do and I really didn't want to write all this at all, but this ridiculous shit show is begging for a bitch slap seeing all these ignorant lies.

First of all, tungfa has done what Ryan asked him to. You should really lay off the attacks on him before you come to regret it. He's too busy to concern himself with this kindergarden issue and you bratty kids whining about bans you all well deserved as I have laid out exhaustively now.

But let's fill this useless discussion with some substance, shall we?

Simple question: What has any single one of you, who is moaning in here about my mod position done to improve this community?
  • How many newcomers did you get onboarded since February 2015?
    [1] [2] [3]
  • How many educational threads did you start/participate in?
    [1] [2] [3]
  • How often and how well did you defend Dash on other subreddits?

  • Did you inspire the 2MB blocksize increase vote the crypto-scene is still talking about to this day or was that me?
  • Are you the one constantly updating the subreddit sidebar and stickies on the frontpage or is that me and exclusively me?
  • Have you been dealing with people like this for 3 years or was that me?
Let's have some fun: Here is irrefutable evidence of me being an evil power-drunk trigger-happy banhammer dropping lunatic moderator (LOL) Remember: "There is absolutely no hate directed at Dash, nor has there ever been!"

Did Evan himself make you a mod for being helpful and making useful suggestions as far back as in the early days or was that me?

I've been a mod to Dash before tungfa joined that community so you attacking him for anything that (you fantasize) I have done is not only silly, it's downright trolling and an attempt to directly hurt the community.

Obviously these links are just an excerpt of my work. Browse through my profile without cherry picking or ignoring the context of the actual discussion and you will find more and more importantly realize every time I use strong language, it was fully justified in the situation, since I only reply in kind. Keep ignoring the context of my comments to fit your narrative. Nobody will believe you except for weak-minded fools and those are no assets to this community anyway.

Complain about me all you want. I've done more for this community than all the persons I have banned combined (which isn't actually too hard, because I only ban trolls, haters and liars, but the point still stands).

And you have the audacity to wonder why I'm still holding the position I hold in this community and act outraged I'm not removed the second you dogs started barking?

You want me banned from r/dashay?
With what right?
Who are you?
What have you done for this project?
 
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TroyDASH

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Look @tovarish, here is Basilpop/Macrochip (who was supposedly "cooling off") trolling and attacking everyone (especially me) who reported/banned him for making 100s of toxic posts and ruining our subreddit.
Notice how he continues to use violent bullying rhetoric ("begging for a bitch slap") and threats ("You should really lay off the attacks on him before you come to regret it").
His own words damn him and amply (plus rudely) demonstrate his lack of insight, much less remorse.
See how he rationalizes making an ass of himself (and by association Dash) by speculating about the motivations of the mod who banned him (after giving him many warnings) for "calling people cucks."
This is exactly why we need a Community Coordinator! When toxic behavior like Basilpop's needs to be addressed, he should not be allowed to try turning the tables by personalizing the issue and making it about "what right" *I* personally have, as if that ad-hom deflection can really justify his well-documented history of being a cyber bully while proudly wearing his Dash Mod hat.
We need a babysitter who can patiently explain that speculation about motivations is not a good faith nor productive way to engage in conversation, for toxic people that believe they are psychic and thus feel entitled to critique others from a position of superior motivational purity.
You can criticize Macrochip's demeanor (this point has already been made abundantly clear), but I find it striking that you are not even acknowledging anything about what Macrochip has accomplished (and thoroughly linked to). We really need to take a step back and look at the big picture here.
What do I think?
Yes, we need to professionalize the oversight/moderation of our social communities, so that any representation on behalf of Dash is consistent with Dash's reputation as being one of the most professional projects.
Yes, I am sure some people are/have been turned off by strong language or premature judgment.
Yes, hire a community manager and enforce rules on moderators.
No, macrochip did not ruin the subreddit. In fact he has contributed more than anyone else, which is glaringly obvious in light of what he just referenced.
No, macrochip has not "sabotaged millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours worth of marketing and community outreach efforts". This is completely unsubstantiated. Do you not understand why someone would react strongly to a claim like this?
 

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Plus, Dash is like the iceberg. Yes, you see what's going on with respect to the 10% that's sticking out of the water. But one generally does not see what is going on in the background.
 

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@TroyDASH. In any decent community, when you are caught insulting hundreds of users and abusing your privileges you get kicked out. Only Dash's Inner Circle tolerate this without punishment and it's very obvious to everyone that you are protecting a member of your little group. If he was not part of the Dash Inner Circle (where rules don't apply), you would have done with him exactly what he has done to us and all the other hundreds of "trolls".

What does a person need to do to be banned from the Dash subreddit and forum? If breaking the rules hundreds of times, abusing, insulting, mocking, and ridiculing hundreds of users is not enough, then what is it?
 

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@TroyDASH. In any decent community, when you are caught insulting hundreds of users and abusing your privileges you get kicked out. Only Dash's Inner Circle tolerate this without punishment and it's very obvious to everyone that you are protecting a member of your little group. If he was not part of the Dash Inner Circle (where rules don't apply), you would have done with him exactly what he has done to us and all the other hundreds of "trolls".

What does a person need to do to be banned from the Dash subreddit and forum? If breaking the rules hundreds of times, abusing, insulting, mocking, and ridiculing hundreds of users is not enough, then what is it?
It would be more prudent to patiently wait for the situation to be resolved (since it has already been acknowledged by everyone), than to continue on an impetuous tirade.
 

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So to conclude:
  1. You have nothing to show for
  2. You are nobody in this community
  3. You have helped no one whatsoever
  4. You have no argument left but repeating of what was already addressed
  5. You failed to address anything I wrote beyond the sentence "Let's fill this discussion with substance"

Fluffypony trolls in his capacity as a private individual, not while wearing his subreddit mod hat
Fluffypony is a moderator of r/Monero you buffoon.

perfectly reasonable requests to stop "calling people cucks."
I will call Dash-haters, -liars and -trolls cucks any day I damn well please, especially when they continue to lie and spread disinformation.

Repeating already posted content is clear evidence of desperation. Every single quote was perfectly justified and I stand by it. You may get mad all you want, I won't step down and the more you complain the more I stand confirmed in my decision. You know why? Because I know your secret.

You read that right, iCEHOLE. I know it's you. The epic loser who finally came to terms with Dash's superiority creating a secondary account around the same time you created your trolling account known as "Dash News Network" which failed miserably in your puny attempts to disrupt this community. You knew exactly after sending that PM you had to switch accounts, because I would publish it, sealing the fate of that account for good. All your moronic posts by that have been deleted. How does it feel? Knowing all that effort was for nothing?

"Dashcoiner" is an account created by our behated iCEHOLE loser troll during the same time he created "Dash News Network" and now he's out on a personal, miserable, pathetic vendetta after the countless humiliations he endured by me personally during his squirmy bile and toxicity spewing years over at Bitcointalk.

You have no power here and I will personally make sure that you never will. Haven't you noticed you're the only loser left in here still harping on about this useless issue? Haven't you noticed I have already proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that I am an asset to this community and you a liability at best? What makes you think anyone cares about anything you do here? You have been a Dash hater since almost day 1. Nobody cares what you want or think. Roll over and die.

I'm asking @tungfa or @fernando to confirm the fact that @[email protected] by comparing the IP addresses. Anyone wanna take me up on a bet they're the same person?

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It should go without saying, but the second the forum administration confirmed my assumption via IP comparison, your recently created Reddit account will be permanently banned instantly for trolling, hating and spewing lies against Dash for over 3 years in a row. I don't care that you finally came around supporting Dash now. You remain a horrible person.
 
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Bye bye iCEHOLE. Bye bye. You and your double standards. They truly extend well beyond the Dash technology. What a disgusting person one has to be to rationalize the behaviour of that obese pump and dumper who scammed his own community for personal gain, a repeated liar and ignoramus.

You are a genuinely hideous piece of crap. Nobody will miss you.

LOL, look who got triggered:


Thanks for making this so easy.

For the record I only weigh 800 pounds and I prefer tacos over pizza.
 
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You really don't give up until this account gets banned for circumventing a previous ban, do you, iCEHOLE?

Look at his "citations". The first one is rated at 9 points with 66% and has hardly any activity. Literally nobody cared about me shadowbanning a PIVX shill. So much for "ruining" the subreddit. What a facepalm.

Oh the next thread is just amazing. He literally quotes a Dash hating Monero troll and the troll even bashes Dash directly in the title. Idiotic iCEHOLE here doesn't even have the shame to hide the title. Notice how this thread also has hardly any activity and the handful of upvotes it received are from XMR-spambots that auto-upvote any pro-Monero/anti-Dash content on r/cryptocurrency. Another facepalm right there.

Third thread? Geez kiddo, you really are desperate. Last straw to grasp for before final permaban?

Quoting a thread that merely talks about the subreddit "underperforming" as evidence that the subreddit is "underperforming". Circular reasoning is defined as being circular in reasoning. Third facepalm.

I'm not the face of Dash, but thank Duff a proven asshole troll like you will never be. You're the Hillary of this community. Do you realize that? People would drink acid before taking your advice.

EDIT: Just for the record and posterity: "MikeBam" and "randomalbum" are the same person.
 
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In conclusion, the OP was shown to be correct in his assertion that "Basilpop does not have the temperament to be a moderator."
In conclusion, you are re-iterating what was already known which is that more mods and new policies are in the pipeline.
 

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The problem is that Dash's pipeline is notorious for lengthy, unexplained delays and we needed a solution to the Basilpop problem years ago.
@Dashcoiner it is completely fallacious to use reddit sub count in that manner. Look at the size of IOTA's chat channel and compare it to Dash's chat, is it because our chat is toxic? Tao of Satoshi must be a sadistic moderator?

If you think things are progressing too slowly then put in a proposal. Continuing to stomp your feet will not accomplish anything.

PS. if you think basilpop is the "face of dash" because he is a subreddit mod, you might want to re-think that. Also, Amanda is not working for Dash in an official capacity right now.
 
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I believe you are being intentionally obtuse in your refusal to acknowledge underperformance of Dash subreddit growth metrics relative to its peer group of other crypto subreddits.

Why are you babbling about obscure chat channels which are in no way relevant to Reddit's incomparably vast (crypto) audience? Is it because you are keen to invalidate data showing /r/dashpay has been languishing far behind much newer subs (EG Cardano)?
I am merely pointing out that there is more than one online social community, they both show the same trends in terms of user count, and only one of them has basilpop's "reign of terror". Logically, basilpop is not the variable accounting for the difference.

My God, you are so eager to shut down this discussion with your bitchy, negative "put it in a proposal" and "stomp your feet" comments. At least this thread hasn't been locked for no good reason; perhaps there are other Dash power players who are also sick of Basilpop's sabotage but afraid to speak out...
When you continue to repeat the same thing over and over again without gaining any additional traction, I think "stomping your feet" is an accurate description -- and putting in a proposal is a completely reasonable thing to suggest when you are unsatisfied with the status quo.
 

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If only DASH development were so hotly discussed and documented...

Oh, right... It's hard to discuss things that don't exist. So this petty nonsense is where the effort goes...

Grow up, children. Your coin is going down the shitter. Might wanna tend to that...
 

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If only DASH development were so hotly discussed and documented...

Oh, right... It's hard to discuss things that don't exist. So this petty nonsense is where the effort goes...

Grow up, children. Your coin is going down the shitter. Might wanna tend to that...

That's odd, we just heard in Cryt0's interview with Ryan that the Evolution back-end is up and running. I fully expect Evo release this year.
 

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Someone create a post on /r/dashpay linking to this forum post. It won't violate any of the 10 rules.

Dash subreddit moderator Basilpop caught insulting hundreds of users.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...t-to-be-a-moderator-part-2.37699/#post-186107

The community there deserves to know what's going and they might have a solution for this that does not involve locking threads, policing language and tone, putting people on "time out" or doing absolutely nothing.
 

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I am merely pointing out that there is more than one online social community, they both show the same trends in terms of user count, and only one of them has basilpop's "reign of terror". Logically, basilpop is not the variable accounting for the difference.



When you continue to repeat the same thing over and over again without gaining any additional traction, I think "stomping your feet" is an accurate description -- and putting in a proposal is a completely reasonable thing to suggest when you are unsatisfied with the status quo.
dashcoiner
the new icebreaker finally banned for spamming us to death with all kind of stupidity

@randomalbum
as i are still rambling on about the same thing
the cooling off seems not to work on you , and so u stay in cooling off
 

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dashcoiner
the new icebreaker finally banned for spamming us to death with all kind of stupidity

@randomalbum
as i are still rambling on about the same thing
the cooling off seems not to work on you , and so u stay in cooling off
To his credit, @randomalbum did wait 4 days since his most recent post (after having been asked to be patient) before asking again today about his ban. My recommendation is to give him another chance on the sub (either now, or if not now then at least inform him how much longer we are asking him to wait), acknowledging that both sides over-reacted at the time or in the immediate aftermath.
 

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To his credit, @randomalbum did wait 4 days since his most recent post (after having been asked to be patient) before asking again today about his ban. My recommendation is to give him another chance on the sub (either now, or if not now then at least inform him how much longer we are asking him to wait), acknowledging that both sides over-reacted at the time or in the immediate aftermath.
ok laaaa
unbanned
fingers crossed ;)
 

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@tungfa,

Did you just banned Dashcoiner for SPAM? SPAM??? He wasn't advertising anything, he was arguing his point of view, quite effectively. You not only banned him but removed every single message he ever posted, so no one can see that he was not spamming at all. OH MY GOD!!

@TroyDASH how much more evidence do you need now? This crossed the threshold in any acceptable level.
 
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@tungfa,

Did you just banned Dashcoiner for SPAM? SPAM??? He wasn't advertising anything, he was arguing his point of view, quite effectively. You not only banned him but removed every single message he ever posted, so no one can see that he was not spamming at all. OH MY GOD!!

@TroyDASH how much more evidence do you need now? This crossed the threshold in any acceptable level.
What some people view as censorship, others view as moderation. I think it is important to allow all sides to be heard, but there is also merit when a moderator tries to keep a topic from getting derailed with unnecessary provocations.
 
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He deleted all the messages Dashcoiner has ever posted!!! Because of what? What about warnings? What about this "cooling off" period that you apply to Macrochip but don't apply to anyone else? You didn't have to ban the guy and remove all his messages, this is CENSORSHIP!

OH MY GOD! The hypocrisy and double standard!!!
 

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He had a time out, and the new rules are being applied equally to mods and users alike. If you have specific examples I will go look at them.
 

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@The_Howey_Test I am now a moderator on the Dashpay subreddit, and I will begin to evaluate the state of moderation there. There are simple, clear rules that will apply to moderators and participants. The rules listing is here:

http://www.dashnation.com/get-involved/dash-forums-rules-and-expectations/

Please understand the sensitivity of this issue, as Basilpop, whether or not it is wrong or right, is used to taking a certain type of tone on that sub which will no longer be allowed. Bear in mind, however, that I can't change things instantly, I don't have the authority to remove anyone from their positions. But, over time I will definitely be enforcing these above rules for everyone, including my fellow moderators. I have been mandated by the Dash network to do so. If you have any other concerns with any postings in r/Dashpay, please bring it to my attention.
 

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"blinded by zealotry"

That does not strike me as unreasonable or aggressive.

But in any case, as noted, new rules apply to everyone.
 
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BTW, what was wrong with the old rules that you could not apply them equally or enforce them in a way that stopped sadistic, domineering Basilpop from participating and abusing mod powers?
There was nothing necessarily wrong with the old rules, but it was requested numerous times to have the rules reviewed and updated, which is why they are being reviewed and updated. This is especially to make the user experience more consistent among our different engagement platforms. Additionally, previously there was very little or no oversight or collaboration. It's not like there was a formal team established. However that seems to be the direction we are heading in, and the network has voted to enlist Tao to help in this effort, which I very much appreciate.
 
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