11.2 - Dash Release

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Mac Wallet is crashing once in a while
but no problems other than that
 

Lebubar

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Long time we are at 250705 no?

Or it's me?

Edit:

Forgot about it just pass to 706... Lol
 

rango

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Tried to mix 100 DASH (2 rounds). It is running since 9 hours and only got 53 DASH completed. Running on version 11.2.22. This version is described to bring DS performance improvements, but mainnet results do not look promising.

Is current darksend code/implementation the problem or do we have too low general DASH mixing volume? 75% of MNs are on version 11.2.22, so that should not be the problem.

What is your darksend mixing speed experience with 11.2.22?

Best,
Rango
 

innergy

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Guys, I'm using the wallet in lite mode (litemode=1 in dash.conf file) and look what I get when I tried to send some funds:



Then I tried the same in normal mode with checked "Darksend" and got the same strange fee (maybe it's normal, I don't know, I haven't any anonymized funds):



In normal mode, with unchecked "Darksend" all looks good:



Is it possible that the lite mode doesn't switch off correctly the Darksend and InstantX options?
 
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Guys, I'm using the wallet in lite mode (litemode=1 in dash.conf file) and look what I get when I tried to send some funds:



Then I tried the same in normal mode with checked "Darksend" and got the same strange fee (maybe it's normal, I don't know, I haven't any anonymized funds):



In normal mode, with unchecked "Darksend" all looks good:



Is it possible that the lite mode doesn't switch off correctly the Darksend and InstantX options?
Innergy I had this once in normal mode as well when I was sending multiple payments, switched label to switch again on Send and was good view later.
 

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Tried to mix 100 DASH (2 rounds). It is running since 9 hours and only got 53 DASH completed. Running on version 11.2.22. This version is described to bring DS performance improvements, but mainnet results do not look promising.

Is current darksend code/implementation the problem or do we have too low general DASH mixing volume? 75% of MNs are on version 11.2.22, so that should not be the problem.

What is your darksend mixing speed experience with 11.2.22?

Best,
Rango
Im not at a non MN Dash wallet at the moment but I will try this in a couple of hours. One thing that is something I hope we can add as a feature is perma lock for MN wallets so funds aren't spent from those. Its really annoying when you lock it....close and re-open that if you use DASH for buying something it will pull the DASH from MN wallets because they are now unlocked again...arrrgghh
 

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Im not at a non MN Dash wallet at the moment but I will try this in a couple of hours. One thing that is something I hope we can add as a feature is perma lock for MN wallets so funds aren't spent from those. Its really annoying when you lock it....close and re-open that if you use DASH for buying something it will pull the DASH from MN wallets because they are now unlocked again...arrrgghh
I get you, but that's not the point with MN's. You can always use Coin Control for precise management of your coins.
 

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I'm not sure if anybody else is having this problem, but everytime I start dash-qt.exe on my Windows PC, it gets almost to the point of loading and then crashes with no error messages. When I run it again, it comes up without any problems.
 

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I'm not sure if anybody else is having this problem, but everytime I start dash-qt.exe on my Windows PC, it gets almost to the point of loading and then crashes with no error messages. When I run it again, it comes up without any problems.
I didn't have a problem with this version yet
 

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With this new version although the wallet Options let us have Darksend rounds up to 8 rounds and "Amount of Dash to keep anonymized" only up to 2000 DASH, we can override these with the parameters. For example, if we want to increase the rounds to 16 and the amount to be anonymized to 4000...

In Windows, open shortcut properties. In "Target:", type -darksendrounds=16 -anonymizedashamount=4000. click "Apply" and "OK". Restart the wallet.

Or in dash.conf, type:
darksendrounds=16
anonymizedashamount=4000

Save the file. Restart your wallet. There you have it.
 

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I think something is wrong with masternode payment frequency since enforcement was last activated. Looking at the masternode count for the last days, one would expect about 4 days between payments, but if you look at https://dashninja.pl/masternodes.html and sort by last payment, there are hundreds of active MN's not getting paid for over 5 days. I can confirm this with my own MN's. Most of them running perfectly for over 8 weeks but receive payments about every 5,5 days now.
Does someone have an explanation for this? Could the MN count be wrong?
 

RenegadeMan

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I think something is wrong with masternode payment frequency since enforcement was last activated. Looking at the masternode count for the last days, one would expect about 4 days between payments, but if you look at https://dashninja.pl/masternodes.html and sort by last payment, there are hundreds of active MN's not getting paid for over 5 days. I can confirm this with my own MN's. Most of them running perfectly for over 8 weeks but receive payments about every 5,5 days now.
Does someone have an explanation for this? Could the MN count be wrong?
My MN is at 5 days 10 hours so I just did the very same thing (sort on 'last paid') and was surprised to see there are so many more above me with longer periods where they haven't been paid.

Evan, I know we're still in beta but (and I'd expect quite a few people are feeling this way) I'm starting to lose faith that the payments process for MNs is ever going to become stable. It seems like we have some level of certainty for a week or two at the most and then something happens and people either lose their place, are missed altogether or the whole thing stops as a result of some major issue such as when the entire network stopped at a particular block those few weekends ago.

I think this needs really serious focus because it's at the point where confidence is being lost and (with the number of times it's been 'rectified') people will start giving up on any certainty around an MN's ROI.
 

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The payments take longer
but are bigger as expected
So all good here
 

innergy

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The payments take longer
but are bigger as expected
So all good here
Not agree.. MN count / Blocks per day - 2312/576 = expected payment per MN - every 4 days
I have three MNs that haven't got paid more than 5 days..

And one question: does "start-many" throws you out of the payment queue?
 

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Not agree.. MN count / Blocks per day - 2312/576 = expected payment per MN - every 4 days
I have three MNs that haven't got paid more than 5 days..

And one question: does "start-many" throws you out of the payment queue?
I haven't look at the code but my understanding is that it's not the payment frequency that's evenly distributed (ie. round robin) but the payment value.
Can a dev confirm or correct this?
 

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I haven't look at the code but my understanding is that it's not the payment frequency that's evenly distributed (ie. round robin) but the payment value.
Can a dev confirm or correct this?
There is no way to even out masternode payment values since the block rewards are based on difficulty. It's based on frequency since last block paid.
 

BrainShutdown

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There is no way to even out masternode payment values since the block rewards are based on difficulty. It's based on frequency since last block paid.
Yes, after looking at the code it seems that way. My assumption was incorrect.

edit: But I don't see the block rewards based on difficulty being a problem to even out payments. One would just need to keep track of said payments to even them out (with some variance)
 
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David

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Me and a couple of other people posted on BCT about having gone 5d7h (in my case) without any payments. Evan replied, asking us to PM him our info. Within fifteen minutes, all my MNs and the other people's MNs were paid. I'm still not sure exactly what happened--both in terms of why I went so long without payments, and why I instantly received payments once I informed Evan (did he tweak the reference node?).

I'd really like a little more information on the reference node, exactly how it works and what degree of control Evan has over it (e.g. can he move around MNs on the list), how the "persistence" works (how long can your MN be off before it drops off the list), etc.
 

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Yes, I can also confirm that 5 of my nodes haven't been paid in over 5 days as well.

Having said that, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on my faith that it will be sorted out. It has worked before, something must need to be fixed, and if anyone can do it, it's Evan. Hang in there!
 

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Yes, I can also confirm that 5 of my nodes haven't been paid in over 5 days as well.

Having said that, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on my faith that it will be sorted out. It has worked before, something must need to be fixed, and if anyone can do it, it's Evan. Hang in there!
It doesn't look like 5+ days is unusual. I just pulled some data from eight nodes and 7 of 8 had consecutive payments cycles of more than 5 days.
 

TaoOfSatoshi

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It doesn't look like 5+ days is unusual. I just pulled some data from eight nodes and 7 of 8 had consecutive payments cycles of more than 5 days.
So, it would seem, if the number of nodes is correct, and blocks have been producing at around their normal rate, that something has run amok with enforcement.

eduffield Could you please shed some light on this if you get a second?
 

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Arghhh.. To those who have long time without MN payments: few parts of new masternode manager module was vulnerable so attacker was able to enter list more then once with his MNs and got some extra... Evan patched the reference node so payments should come back to more regular schedule from now...

That was my fault... Sorry... :sad:
 

TaoOfSatoshi

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Arghhh.. To those who have long time without MN payments: few parts of new masternode manager module was vulnerable so attacker was able to enter list more then once with his MNs and got some extra... Evan patched the reference node so payments should come back to more regular schedule from now...

That was my fault... Sorry... :sad:
That's OK bud, we could never be mad at you with the amount you do around here. Good to have an explanation, and good to hear it's been fixed! I never doubted you guys for a second.
 

moli

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Arghhh.. To those who have long time without MN payments: few parts of new masternode manager module was vulnerable so attacker was able to enter list more then once with his MNs and got some extra... Evan patched the reference node so payments should come back to more regular schedule from now...

That was my fault... Sorry... :sad:
So... credit to thelazier who found this hole?
 

Lariondos

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Arghhh.. To those who have long time without MN payments: few parts of new masternode manager module was vulnerable so attacker was able to enter list more then once with his MNs and got some extra... Evan patched the reference node so payments should come back to more regular schedule from now...

That was my fault... Sorry... :sad:
No problem - glad to have you in the team. Given the delays, the attacker stole about 150 extra blocks per day. Thanks for bringing this to an end.
 

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Arghhh.. To those who have long time without MN payments: few parts of new masternode manager module was vulnerable so attacker was able to enter list more then once with his MNs and got some extra... Evan patched the reference node so payments should come back to more regular schedule from now...

That was my fault... Sorry... :sad:
Great job. Keep up the great work. Everyone makes mistakes important part is to learn from them.