We need Merchants USING Dash!

[indiamikezulu]

Tee hee -- I'm gonna go out on a limb, and assume that there's some link between Masternode adoption in any given area, and the number of general DASH users in that nation; then assume there's a link between why those DASH-ers have already adopted, and how we can encourage others in that region to adopt.

In some nations, remittance is a primary reason for crypto adoption. In others, it's de-monetisation. In others, it's fin-tech development. In some places, there are more libertarians in the community. In others, more regulation-compliant folks.

In the Ukraine, it was flat-out the government shut-down of the banking system.

BGCaffe coin has a use-case that clearly flags whom you'd be talking to to further its adoption.

In Australia, 'Tomcar' was an early adopter of Bitcoin specifically because it facilitated low-cost-international funds transfers between their international suppliers and Australia itself.

And check the vicinity of R.M.I.T. in Melbourne. There's a group of fairly recent small-business adopters like nightclubs and cafes. It's a no-brainer that the computer geeks at R.M.I.T. are responsible for that!

In Iceland, Aurora's airdrop was (supposed to be) the pivot of adoption.

In Washington, D.C., the dev of Franko had the Franko accepted by a chain of pawnshops.

In Hull in England, 'Hullcoin' was launched as a social initiative.

In Indonesia, dissatisfaction with the existing banking system is deep and well-founded. We had no luck with an Indonesia-focussed project in 2013 . . . but now: https://news.bitcoin.com/here-are-bitcoins-8-fastest-growing-markets/

I think anyone interested in facilitating crypto-currency adoption would like to know why any crypto had already been adopted in any given area.

 

[indiamikezulu]

V. quiet here!

Got some more 'mini-bullion' in the mail: 1966 Australian 50-cent pieces. They're 0.34 oz. silver each. Out little OTC project is slowly progressing.

Gotta put DASH volume on Living Room of Satoshi

And Happy New Year to all.

 

[indiamikezulu]

Received another lot of 'mini bullion' today. Of course, you guys gotta get to Perth -- or The Faraway Farmhouse -- but we're moving towards physical-meetup DASH-silver trades, and also sizing up a tiny merchant project. Details to follow.

 

[camosoul]

Lolwut?

 

[TanteStefana]

Lolwut?

What? I'm not following?

It's great to see woocommerce getting completed and I'm really happy to see the "Dash POS" proposal clearing so well! I think with these two we are covering the basics well. I'm feeling good about everything! So Camo, come tell me what we're still missing that we can do now? I'm feeling too good and need to be brought back down to earth! LOL.

With Evolution and the API, I figure the "top level" is being covered by the core team, but that the lower level wasn't being covered at all. But the community stepped up and now we're on our way! Now we have to start figuring out how to get people to use it Just need to wait a wee bit for the POS to be usable at a basic level

 

[indiamikezulu]

I'm patiently reading here every day. IndiaMikeZulu's little projects are choofing along. We're following GFC developments closely. Patiently accruing silver bullion to trade for cryptos.

 

[indiamikezulu]

Cryptopia is one Unobtanium's exchanges, and offers about 200 trading-pairs, with all manner of cryptos -- but not DASH. If you wanna trade Uno for DASH, contact me. It is the only pair I want on Cryptopia; the only one it doesn't have!

 

[TanteStefana]

mixing 2000 dash 8 rounds went about 10% in 24 hours... multisession enabled Dash Core version v0.12.1.0-2a43d23 (64-bit

I see it says timed out, will retry.

Since I see that, it could be my internet went down again last night..? Hummm I seem to be stuck on block 139823 which could be the result of losing connection. Should the wallet catch up again on it's own? I have 19 connections, why don't I sync back up again?

Restarting the client got it going again, but kinda wish it would automatically keep itself updated, especially since I had 19 connections (maybe something for next time?)


NIX the above, I'm actually stuck on that block and have to reindex But still have 8 connections, so I'm not the only one, LOL My MNs are doing fine (they don't lose connection I guess )

 

[indiamikezulu]

Showed a couple of crypto geeks the video of the DASH-powered bottled-water machine. It seemed extra impressive to us because my Bitcoin transfer to Polo that day took 7 hours.

Mark

 

[indiamikezulu]

Any Australians out there?

Gotta set up an Independent Reserve account so I can buy my own Bitcoin (long story: was piggybacking on another account . . . ). Then I can really get a roll on with my project of paying bills with Living Room of Satoshi -- https://www.livingroomofsatoshi.com/

And we gonna keep scoring these, for our Oz Dash-silver P2P thang: http://www.australian-coins.com/collecting-coins/round-50c-piece-value/

These sweeties are almost exactly 0.3 oz. silver, and widely recognised in Oz.

 

[indiamikezulu]

Got my Independent Reserve account functional -- though they don't sell DASH yet. Got to work on that.

And I bought some computer hardware today with . . . silver. This is a 'crypto' thing because we aim to provide crypto-bullion trades.

If you're a Bitcointalk member, do drop in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1579087.0

 

[indiamikezulu]

I'm still here! Pleased as punch with DASH's price. Gonna buy cryptos when the price dips next. Reformatting our wallet system -- Ledger!! Got a delivery of 'mini bullion' for our P2P.

Mark

 

[bizzyb]

Well done team Dash for getting to 3rd spot on cmc, we are happy to have Dash accepted at MUEX with a 7 day promotional rate

 

[gunshor]

In some nations, remittance is a primary reason for crypto adoption. In others, it's de-monetisation. In others, it's fin-tech development. In some places, there are more libertarians in the community. In others, more regulation-compliant folks.

That would make for an interesting map.


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[TanteStefana]

indeed, that would! maybe we can make a survey and automatically update a map showing what the people think is the primary reason to adopt/not adopt cryptos

 

[Klossie]

indeed, that would! maybe we can make a survey and automatically update a map showing what the people think is the primary reason to adopt/not adopt cryptos

Upon reading this, three merchants strike me immediately!
You should know that with crypto you should be targeting younger users; Those whom are online & very active.

1)Steam the gaming platform accepts bitcoin; Dash could be there too if you have the budget to propose in person to Valve (the multi-billion dollar company)
2)OPskins, the largest counterstrike offensive marketplace accepts bitcoin & allows bitcoin withdrawals. This here is a game changer as they are not a billion dollar company but do over $50,000 in transactions of virtual in game goods every day!
3) The dark web (unfortunately)

 

[indiamikezulu]

Good to see this thread has sprung back to life. IndiaMikeZulu is puddling along here in Western Australia. I'm going to meet some folks in Perth in a couple of weeks.

And I gotta tell you about an odd experience I had recently: several of the members of a tiny crypto community argued that the difficulty of setting up the crypto's wallet, and the unhelpful attitude of the community towards those who had trouble with the wallets, was a good thing. They are 'diehards,' and if you aren't a talented enough techie to figure it all out, tough. And how is this crypto going? Tee hee -- yup. You guessed right.

 

[Klossie]

Good to see this thread has sprung back to life. IndiaMikeZulu is puddling along here in Western Australia. I'm going to meet some folks in Perth in a couple of weeks.

And I gotta tell you about an odd experience I had recently: several of the members of a tiny crypto community argued that the difficulty of setting up the crypto's wallet, and the unhelpful attitude of the community towards those who had trouble with the wallets, was a good thing. They are 'diehards,' and if you aren't a talented enough techie to figure it all out, tough. And how is this crypto going? Tee hee -- yup. You guessed right.

Cash is not hard to use is it? Roman coins were not; They were manipulable & minted by a central authority creating some mega inflation; But being difficult is the exact opposite of what you want. Treat these untouched markets as customers and you will see growth; Make it as easy as possible. Thats how it is done; Making things easier is value. That is why I hope evolution will get the right dev's working and that the team will cut costs on silly expenditures in the focus of getting to the goal of mass adoption.

 

[JZA]

Cash is not hard to use is it? Roman coins were not; They were manipulable & minted by a central authority creating some mega inflation; But being difficult is the exact opposite of what you want. Treat these untouched markets as customers and you will see growth; Make it as easy as possible. Thats how it is done; Making things easier is value. That is why I hope evolution will get the right dev's working and that the team will cut costs on silly expenditures in the focus of getting to the goal of mass adoption.

Are you kidding? Cash is very hard to use. You ever been short by not having the right bill or coin? Have you ever been confused by the change not adding up. Have you ever wonder when did you spent a larger bill on your wallet.
Change is very messy, you get a bunch of coins in change and becomes annoying and want to get rid of them. You constantly needs to be counted. Now multiply that for a business, a casino, people wasting hours counting bills. Cashier's having to pause to count bills, stack then, wrap them and leaving the line waiting.

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[dashly]

indeed, that would! maybe we can make a survey and automatically update a map showing what the people think is the primary reason to adopt/not adopt cryptos

I own a business and the reason we don't accept cryptos is because we require transactions in realtime like visa/mc. We can't wait for confirmations. InstantSend is nice, but it will be useless for us and other merchants if there is no way to require our customers to use it.

 

[JZA]

I own a business and the reason we don't accept cryptos is because we require transactions in realtime like visa/mc. We can't wait for confirmations. InstantSend is nice, but it will be useless for us and other merchants if there is no way to require our customers to use it.

what kind of business is that, and what kind of payments exactly. as a business you have payments with providers, what is the need for them to go instant? Let say I am a retail, I honestly dont need to get my rent, phone, power and internet bill to go instantly. I am cool with a 25min delay, even a 2hr delay.
Same as for payroll, and christmass bonus checks... so, why not use crypto then?

 

[TanteStefana]

@JZA any brick and mortar store will need to have instant payments go through without a hitch before letting customers go out the door with the goods. Most people will get it right, but some will be malicious, pay after unchecking IS and double spending once they're out the door. It has to work for Dash to sell it'self as instant. So I think, to make the locks that are needed, would require Evolution and smart contracts. These would do something like reject the payment if it's not instant, as requested.

It's weird, and requires some thought because there is currently no way to stop someone from paying an account in the core client. I can, however see a type of lock where when the merchant requests coins, from a unique address, the combo of address and amount can trigger a reject lock if it's not instant?? I'm sure there are other ways of resolving this problem, but it definitely needs to be resolved. However, I think it'll be after Evolution is launched

There was once a time, when Evan said at that first conference, that every transaction would be IS, thus allowing for growing of number of transactions to infinite numbers. They kind of backtracked on that idea, but personally, I think that's the future. IS is basically like a side chain. Each MN quorum creates a temporary side chain, locking transactions then sending the batch to the miners to consolidate into a block. With, say, each quorum = 10 MN, and the network having 4000 MNs, and each quorum able to handle 7 transactions per second, say (I don't remember how many they can do), the network as a whole could do 24000 transactions a second by dividing the work.

So I see the future being with every transaction being IS and free or the same cost as regular transactions. So much is going to change with Evolution. But it's gotta be built in steps

BTW, I'm totally guilty of wanting it yesterday as well

 

[dashly]

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[JZA]

It's a ticketing business for events and we process $20M a year in credit cards online. Our margins are very low, so crypto would be a godsend for our industry. When a purchase is made tickets are generated and sent via PDF instantly. In theory, yes we could accept a transaction and process it at a later time, but the reality is it would require a ton of extra coding and adding an additional process we are not interested in and do not have time for. If crypto is to replace visa/MC it has to replace visa/mc by mimicking it's instant processing. It has to be EASY to replace.

Imagine going to a grocery store and trying to buy groceries using crypto, and you have to sit in line while the cashier is waiting for it to process. Or most online stores for that matter... Yes, some of the large companies like Amazon have these additional processes in place to handle transactions at a later date, but most small companies do not.

Someone had asked why a company would not adopt and this is a big reason. The bottom line is a crypto will NEVER be able to go mainstream and replace our current system without this in place.

Right but, you said that the tickets are online, and are processed (at least to generate a pdf). So This is NOT instant. For example I make a lot of crypto transactions to my Debit card and the transfer (a bticoin debit card servie) can take up to 30 minutes - 45 min to go from my crypto to my account. I get an email confirming that my money is available on my card (I am talking bitcoin here). So yeah I can see how a ticket company would have no problem implementing Bitcoin right now with all its hassles without major interruption, tickets wont be inmediatly available but I dont see the risk unless the tickets are 'at the event site'.

For example CheapAir is a flight ticketing company and they are making money hand over fist from the Bitcoin orders on the last quarter (even with the blockchain issues).
https://news.bitcoin.com/cheapair-bitcoin-sales-soar-76-last-6-months/

I do understand the advantages of a speedy blockchain as well as IX, but I also come to realize that most Dash wallets dont support IX, and also because of the Sporks these feature could be blocked temporarily at any time. (if your business depends on it, its a very high risk to take as well).

 

[dashly]

Right but, you said that the tickets are online, and are processed (at least to generate a pdf). So This is NOT instant. For example I make a lot of crypto transactions to my Debit card and the transfer (a bticoin debit card servie) can take up to 30 minutes - 45 min to go from my crypto to my account. I get an email confirming that my money is available on my card (I am talking bitcoin here). So yeah I can see how a ticket company would have no problem implementing Bitcoin right now with all its hassles without major interruption, tickets wont be inmediatly available but I dont see the risk unless the tickets are 'at the event site'.

For example CheapAir is a flight ticketing company and they are making money hand over fist from the Bitcoin orders on the last quarter (even with the blockchain issues).
https://news.bitcoin.com/cheapair-bitcoin-sales-soar-76-last-6-months/

I do understand the advantages of a speedy blockchain as well as IX, but I also come to realize that most Dash wallets dont support IX, and also because of the Sporks these feature could be blocked temporarily at any time. (if your business depends on it, its a very high risk to take as well).

Is this a joke? I am a real business owner who will not integrate crypto until this is in place... so this is the most real world example your going to get.

Yes, we could integrate with no risk, but like I said it would require a major overhaul of code. It would mean we would have to change our process entirely. Instead of treating it like a realtime transaction, like every other transaction in our system, we would have to monitor it for confirmations and finish processing at a later time. If we could enforce InstantSend, we would be able to treat it as just another payment method.

If/when this functionality becomes available, I can promise you we'll get it integrated right away.

 

[JZA]

No is not a joke and for the record I am playing a devils advocate but also want to know the real need, specially when I see other real businesses thriving on crypto payments.

 

[dashly]

For some businesses to adopt it, it's fine the way it is... but if you want MASS adoption, and I do, it has to seamlessly replace visa/mc. I'm trying to highlight the deficiencies, so hopefully a core developer will see this and put it on their roadmap.

 

[dashly]

Let me put this another way...

Today Dash is on the right track... more so than any other cryptocurrency, but...

If I see Bitcoin is going to adopt segregated witness which is needed for the lightning network and Dash has not addressed this issue, I would sell my masternode in a heartbeat... buy BTC and wait for the lightning network before integrating a crypto into our purchase process. Which, btw, is going to solve this problem.

I believe, that if Dash doesn't Come up with a solution to this before BTC moves in that direction, it will be at their own peril.

 

[JZA]

Well most businesses online dont require instant transactions, the average amazon prime costumer, still have to wait for the product to be delivered to his house, so 30 min confirmation is not a major difference. Sure if you want to refund your skype credit then I agree, you dont want to wait until the account is top-up to continue your call. But I think those type of businesses are in the minority. I had builted sites for events and hotels reservations and usually the transaction process is not inmediate, not only because the way visa work but because protection against chargebacks. I also buy movie tickets and well, this is a tricky one, since by the time the movie starts could be either 10min or 3hrs depending where I get it. (earlier that morning or 5 min before the movie start) which by that time, I would rather pay it in person.
So just want to draw the line between click and mortar and brick and mortar based businesses.
I dont want to pick a fight, but you said that you want seamless integration but complain that you would need a buch of code on your system to change the process of your orders, but in reality adopting crypto will cause this anyway.
Have you looked at a third party solution like blockpay? They support DASH and other cryptos. Wonder how those businesses deal with this situations.

 

[JZA]

If I see Bitcoin is going to adopt segregated witness which is needed for the lightning network and Dash has not addressed this issue, I would sell my masternode in a heartbeat... buy BTC and wait for the lightning network before integrating a crypto into our purchase process. Which, btw, is going to solve this problem.

I believe, that if Dash doesn't Come up with a solution to this before BTC moves in that direction, it will be at their own peril.

LOL, dont hold your breath, LN is very over promised, believe me when I tell you, this stinks like vaporware. I like LN, but is still a promise, and I am a Software developer, and I know better than for software to work as advertised out of the box. Remember The DAO?
I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about jumping into Bitcoin mess that they can't even say for sure, which solution is best. I have read other 4 alternatives to LN, Segwit, and also how that didn't work out a few months back when they released it.
But please, if you think LN will solve your problems, I wont hold you back. IX is implemented right now, so you just need to activate it, but also our blockchain is quick enough to process payments even without it. I only seen other blockchain verify transactions as quickly and thats on Bitshares, were their blockchain (graphene) is very fast, and transactions get verified in 1 min I think.