We need Merchants USING Dash!

[TanteStefana]

I definitely agree with the idea that more merchant adoption is needed, however I view this from a different perspective.

If we look from the merchant side of things, why would they accept Dash? Who is going to spend Dash at their store? Our market cap and user base is still relatively small so if a merchant were to accept Dash I would doubt it would make that much of an impact on their earnings, if any at all. The hassle to accept Dash and then when paid in Dash to convert it to fiat, in my opinion far outweighs the benefit of accepting Dash.

Exactly, and approaching mini marts and even chain store donute shops is a waste of time. I'm particularly trying to say to target SMALL, TINY merchants! Those that at most have an online store! Those that travel to sell their wares, to the local college flea market, toy conventions, Sci fi fantasy conventions, heck, maybe you are unaware of how many small conventions with a vendor room, selling "fun" stuff related to the theme of the convention there are! TONS. This stuff is big and constantly growing! And these small vendors will try new things, as will their creative and fun loving customers (or maybe cheap in some circles, where they'll do anything to save a penny)

I look at it like this.

The debit card solution is a great initiative as it allows more people to store their money in Dash because they now have an easy way to spend it if needed. Because of this, Dash acts a lot more like an everyday currency which is great because prior to this it was just a speculative asset. Once more people use Dash as a currency and more speculative money comes in then the market cap will rise which makes us a more attractive option for crypto services to integrate and merchants to accept. Think of services such as payment processors (bitpay, spectrocoin, coinbase etc). These integrations all of a sudden make it really easy for merchants to accept Dash as they resolve the issue of converting Dash to fiat and the issue of setting up Dash as a payment option.

I agree that this is an excellent approach, and it will hopefully reach a percentage of average customers. But it will not distinguish Dash from any other Crypto Currency!!! Dash will only be one of several at best! And Dash is even the only one paying to be included which is pretty sad IMO, but if it works, I won't argue. I'd rather be included than excluded.

Dash has Instant Send, it's unique, it's safe and WORKS, and doesn't really technically need 3rd parties. Sure, these 3rd parties are going to help us get recognized, and that's great, but if we want to REALLY show off, we need to build - at the same time of course - a grass roots level adoption. From both ends we must burn the midnight candle!

I agree that we do need our own POS team who works on a solution for merchants but I do think the first push should be to get already existing payment processors to integrate Dash so that we can easily onboard merchants. In conjunction to this I think that continued work on Fiat Gateways is needed so that merchants can easily sell dash to fiat no matter where they are situated in the world. When we have all these things worked out, our market cap should be a lot higher meaning that merchants will have more of an incentive to accept us and we will have more money in the treasury to fund a POS team and merchant sales team.

At this time I feel uneasy asking a merchant to accept Dash because I know that the process of accepting Dash is going to be extremely complicated and the process of selling the Dash for fiat is going to be even more difficult.

So to get to my point, I do agree with you but I think the order in which things are happening is necessary right now. Partnerships and integrations first then our own merchant solution. Baby steps.

I'm not arguing against this, I hope that's clear. I'm arguing not to leave ANY stone unturnned and there is a freaking Pink and Purple stone jumping and jittering right in front of us that wants to be unturned, but we are IGNORING it for some odd weird reason, I simply can't understand????

 

[TanteStefana]

The debit card solution is actually a much better option with Bitcoin. There is really no need to have Dash or even invest in Dash if you are just going to use crypto as a currency hedge.

Dash has the advantage with InstantX. It enables merchants to accept crypto instantly without double spend risk. Bitcoin doesn't have that option. Merchants are not idiots, why would they accept Bitcoin for point of sale knowing that it can be double spent. I suppose we could wait a few months for lightning to fill that need, but that is a lost opportunity for Dash.

I think ultimately, that it is good that we are keeping up with the bitcoiners in CC adoption, etc... Even so you don't "have" to use Dash, at least some will decide we're a better investment to hold. But in the end, Dash even has advantages here against all other cryptos. You know these CC providers want to make money, right? So they WILL charge the users a fee, along side the merchants paying a cc fee. But Dash holdings can make money for the CC issuer via Masternodes. Now, if you hold Dash, your CC can be free to use, or even earn interest.

So Dash can win there too.

I'm not arguing against this approach.

I'm arguing that we can't afford to ignore the elephant in the room! A population dying for a solution, literally! They're being killed with fees! They're open to a solution, and customers are always open to savings. We have two hungry populations that can afford to add this payment option (or buy a few Dash) as it'll be free and only take them their own time to learn about (and they'll be incentivized to do so because they don't want to be left behind their competition). And they don't, in general, have employees that they have to train either! Once merchants start accepting Dash, and maybe we can have a proposal to send anyone who downloads the app, a small sign to put on their sales table, then customers, seeing how many are accepting Dash and offering discounts for using it, will actually buy Dash.

This is grass roots, and it should NEVER be ignored. Core Team, even if it includes are fearless leader, Evan, is now ONLY a contractor to the Dash Network. A highly trusted contractor, sure, but they agreed to do certain things, and this is outside their scope, and nobody on the core team has either the interest or the skill for this type of work. Thus we need to build a new team for our grassroots efforts! I know a lot of people have been arguing this point, arguing with the Core team (because they want the core team to do this) but it can not work this way. This needs to be another team, separate but partners and supportive of each other.

The candle must burn on both ends because we are in a VERY competitive market, and if we don't, we'll lose our hard won lead!

 

[AndyDark]

The debit card solution is actually a much better option with Bitcoin. There is really no need to have Dash or even invest in Dash if you are just going to use crypto as a currency hedge.

Dash has the advantage with InstantX. It enables merchants to accept crypto instantly without double spend risk. Bitcoin doesn't have that option. Merchants are not idiots, why would they accept Bitcoin for point of sale knowing that it can be double spent. I suppose we could wait a few months for lightning to fill that need, but that is a lost opportunity for Dash.

btw Lightening isn't going to let you walk into a merchant and do an instant transaction. It's built on payment channels where you and the merchant would need to enter into (essentially) a contract where you both commit an upfront amount of Bitcoin before you transact. after that you can do 'instant transactions' in the sense you exchange meta data / tally up your balances off-chain and if one party reneges the other can close the channel and reclaim the balance. if you lose that meta data you lose your coins too in that scenario, not like an HD seed you can write on a piece of paper. it's really a cost-reduction solution for settlements between centralized ecosystem providers (and theoretically a scaling 'solution' if that results in less on-chain transactions). zero chance end users will benefit from it in terms of security or decentralization or have any easy way to use it i think. Plus the implementation is a mess. Blockstream devs are good at modest core protocol changes and narrow-scope cryptographic problems within the paradigm that Satoshi had got to when he/she left. That's why we merge that to our T1 protocol. In Evolution we have our own solution that stores the meta data in the network so you can do this on mobile (and setup channels by adding a merchant's service listing in the wallet). it's a long way off, but a decentralized end-user solution.

 

[TanteStefana]

I'm hoping you all will help me come up with a good approach, but I'm thinking something like this:

We develope an application, a very simple one.
1. It allows the merchant to track their supply costs, labor hours, cost of setting up shop wherever they go and sales.
2. They could assign an item they made a number, track the supplies needed to make it and the hours
3. When they sell it, they enter the number, and can see how low they can go on the price before losing money
4. we could make it so they can print out a spread sheet (integrate with open office) or put it in a format that is common for fancier popular accounting software.
5. We would make it possible for the merchant to auto send to their favorite exchange, where they can manually convert or have it done by their exchange automatically, and send fiat to their bank
6. We could include estimated fees for the system they choose to convert to fiat, so they can see what it's costing them really, as opposed to using CCs

There may not be many choices for the merchant as to what exchange to use depending on where the merchant lives, but if we make it so that it's really easy to set up, that's more important

Next, we approach convention organizers. There are vintage clothing conventions, erotic conventions, doll conventions, toy conventions, model train conventions, conventions for people who like to dress up like stuffed animals conventions, D&D conventions, comic con, etc... Millions of conventions held each year! Go to the organizers, have them suggest DAsh to their merchants! Perhaps get them to bring in merchants *(their bread and butter, btw) in with free Dash and download the app. Have them advertise to customers, "Dash will be accepted here - bring your smart phone!"

I think this could be a very viable approach. What do you all think?

 

[TanteStefana]

btw Lightening isn't going to let you walk into a merchant and do an instant transaction. It's built on payment channels where you and the merchant would need to enter into (essentially) a contract where you both commit an upfront amount of Bitcoin before you transact. after that you can do 'instant transactions' in the sense you exchange meta data / tally up your balances off-chain and if one party reneges the other can close the channel and reclaim the balance. if you lose that meta data you lose your coins too in that scenario, not like an HD seed you can write on a piece of paper. it's really a cost-reduction solution for settlements between centralized ecosystem providers. zero chance end users will benefit from it or have any easy way to use it i think. Plus the implementation is a mess. Bitcoin devs are good at modest core protocol changes and narrow-scope cryptographic problems within the paradigm that Satoshi had got to when he/she left. That's why we merge that to our T1 protocol. In Evolution we have our own solution that stores the meta data in the network so you can do this on mobile (and setup channels by adding a merchant's service listing in the wallet). it's a long way off, but an end-user solution.

Exactly, and you don't mention that your funds are tied up in this off chain for an indeterminate length of time (depends on what was agreed to) with a minimum of an estimated 3 months to make it even worth it. What's the use in that? It's no longer really an instant payment solution, but looking more like it's only usefulness is in reducing traffic on the bitcoin network itself.

Make no mistake, people, we're still WAY ahead of the competition. We're in no immediate danger - even from clones, as they'd have an impossible time growing the value of their coin and network to compete, plus they don't have the talent.

But if we are the ones to break the glass ceiling, it must include the foundation of real, basic users who will eventually opt to keep their coins themselves in their own "personal bank" And if we don't nurture this end of things, we will truly stunt our growth!

 

[AndyDark]

Exactly, and you don't mention that your funds are tied up in this off chain for an indeterminate length of time (depends on what was agreed to) with a minimum of an estimated 3 months to make it even worth it. What's the use in that? It's no longer really an instant payment solution, but looking more like it's only usefulness is in reducing traffic on the bitcoin network itself.

yep. they are great developers but this is really a solution for settlements. not sure most Bitcoiners understand where their network is headed.

 

[TanteStefana]

No, they don't. Bitcoin will actually help Banks stay relevant for a long while yet. That's ok, it was bound to happen, and I'm sure it will be profitable to any bitcoin holder. So, may I ask, do you think my simple plan is viable? Would it work? Does anyone agree, and would anyone help?

(By the way, that was in agreement, you got that right? LOL)

 

[Luiz_Ant0n10]

A button for single purchases is a good suggestion, such as a paypal payment button as example.

For example, a DASH Payment Button to let your customers buy one item at a time. Following the same path, it would also be interesting to provide a button for donations; to allow donors to enter their own contribution amount, or send a fixed amount that you specify.

 

[TanteStefana]

A button for single purchases is a good suggestion, such as a paypal payment button as example.

For example, a DASH Payment Button to let your customers buy one item at a time. Following the same path, it would also be interesting to provide a button for donations; to allow donors to enter their own contribution amount, or send a fixed amount that you specify.

I like that too! Is it possible to offer up something like this without the DAPI at this time? I would think so, if we make an extremely simple pos app???

 

[indiamikezulu]

The debit card solution is actually a much better option with Bitcoin. There is really no need to have Dash or even invest in Dash if you are just going to use crypto as a currency hedge.

Dash has the advantage with InstantX. It enables merchants to accept crypto instantly without double spend risk. Bitcoin doesn't have that option. Merchants are not idiots, why would they accept Bitcoin for point of sale knowing that it can be double spent. I suppose we could wait a few months for lightning to fill that need, but that is a lost opportunity for Dash.

I was thinking about this the other day
If I were a merchant I would still want to accept traditional payments. Cash credit/debit but also dash.
Because of this a single cash register that can handle all the payments would be ideal. Or most but separate terminal for debit/credit like in some smaller businesses.
Keeping payment equipment to a min.

Now when it comes to payment from a consumer stand point I can see 2 options
1 phone payment, already options but possibly a universal one for android, iPhone and others. not everyone has a smart phone or the battery dies when you need it.
2. A chip+pin card Canada has been using it for years and while not 100 effective it has helped. With technology like what the kindle uses to read print the card can say how much dash is available and when inserted into the machine it updates to include any deposits/withdraws.

I was also thinking about gift cards
I don't know how one would do this with private keys, funding the card once purchased. Would probably have to be a 3rd party to do the work.
with this instantx is the way to go but the Fees are paid upfront, so if grandma purchases this card for there grandchildren the grand children won't get dinged the extra fees for processing and instantx. 5 dash is really 5 dash and not 4.5 dash once all is said and done.

Morning, DASH-ers. Gonna quietly read here 'til I get my feet.

Gift cards? There's an Australian mob: https://bitcoingiftcards.com.au/ Site sucks. Business model great. We used them ages ago, as there were then so few ways of spending crypto.

Mark

 

[rustycase]

I would just as soon see DASH get away from any sort of credit card functions in exchange for P2P activity.
Of course many of us in the business world use credit cards and pay the 4% because it seems to be a necessary evil, and we would all like to avoid it !

It seems their purpose is to further entrench clients into the banking system.

And the credit cards providers will be quite pleased to implement block chain tech to speed things, only to reap more profit for themselves !

I am becoming aware there is a growing number of crypto tokens with a sole purpose of assisting banks. Ripples XRP, and Factoms FCT are among them.
More recently I learned a token called Stellar STR has a purpose of bringing banking to under-developed geo-political areas.
.... To what end? Bring them under the mantle of the IMF ?

Santander is said to have an Ethereum option available to clients...

It would be my preference to see people Un-banked, as much as possible !

IMO, best option to promote DASH would be to offer something you produce in exchange for DASH.
Next on the list, or concurently, is the need for easily accessible fiat gateways.

That bit of ranting aside, there is SO much I do not understand. Perhaps I am incorrect.

Best
rc

 

[Solarminer]

We have a woocommerce plugin, but it is based on Electrum so doesn't have instantx. But anything purchased via the internet can probably just use Bitcoin and wait an hour or two for a confirmation. Coinbase and Bitpay make that easy anyway.

So the best adoption case is with in person point of sale with IS detection. Vending machines are also a good use case, hence the www.dashndrink.com. ATMs could be good too, but only if they are Dash-Into-Cash versions with IS detection.

 

[indiamikezulu]

I would just as soon see DASH get away from any sort of credit card functions in exchange for P2P activity.
Of course many of us in the business world use credit cards and pay the 4% because it seems to be a necessary evil, and we would all like to avoid it !

It seems their purpose is to further entrench clients into the banking system.

And the credit cards providers will be quite pleased to implement block chain tech to speed things, only to reap more profit for themselves !

I am becoming aware there is a growing number of crypto tokens with a sole purpose of assisting banks. Ripples XRP, and Factoms FCT are among them.
More recently I learned a token called Stellar STR has a purpose of bringing banking to under-developed geo-political areas.
.... To what end? Bring them under the mantle of the IMF ?

Santander is said to have an Ethereum option available to clients...

It would be my preference to see people Un-banked, as much as possible !

IMO, best option to promote DASH would be to offer something you produce in exchange for DASH.
Next on the list, or concurently, is the need for easily accessible fiat gateways.

That bit of ranting aside, there is SO much I do not understand. Perhaps I am incorrect.

Best
rc

Morning, RC. V. few people on Planet Krypto 'get me.' I'm a technoklutz who came to cryptos from thirty years in libertarian/anarchist politics. For me, it's the politics and the anthropology.
So indeed I understand your perspective: cryptos should be opposed to not integrated with the legacy model.

'Loops': my little offering this morning is the idea of 'micro-trading loops.' [Check out a crypto called 'BGCaffe']
If I sell vegies for DASH, and the guy who receives that DASH can spend it at the shop across the road, and the shop owner can buy bullion with DASH (from a local -- like me -- who keeps a stock of bullion, and sells it non-profit), and the bullion guy will pay me DASH for vegies? Loop!

Setting up such a loop is unprofitable and time-consuming; but it's the form of mass-adoption that would leave the legacy banking model stranded high and dry. [The key will be 'mentoring.' Please feel free to ask.]

Mark

 

[TanteStefana]

That's why (RC and indiamikezulu) I propose a simple app to draw "free merchants" in. Give them something EASY to use that helps their little booth, something they never bothered with because it was 1. too expensive to get such an app, and 2. too complex for them to deal with. These people are creators, shop owners, sales persons, movers (moving shop from place to place) They are NOT the type of people to understand complex programs!!

Give them a nice simple app that simplifies and organizes their sales and expenses and makes checking out easy (super easy, cash or Dash) and one other option of "other" if they accept credit cards - hand input.

Now, by using this app, they automatically accept Dash

This ground floor approach is IMO the best way to get average people to start using Dash!

If there are any programmers here that are interested in taking on such a project, I'll do all I can to promote you and your work!!!

 

[TanteStefana]

Do any merchants realistically want to accept and hold a volatile crypto as payment for their goods or services?

That sounds like a really bad business decision.

Merchants want the currency of their respective country. They pay tax, labour, and suppliers in that currency.

In my view, Dash offers merchants a new way to transact FIAT at lower costs than some traditional credit card suppliers. Thats the real prize on offer: The Payments industry.

Dash can't compete if it uses a bunch of 3rd parties, Banks will do a much better job once they are on a blockchain.

I think you're wrong here. The original Bitcoin vision was to replace fiat, but that is a difficult job. However, I don't think it's an impossible job! Attacking the problem from both sides is optimal. However, nobody is attacking the problem from the common folk perspective.

It's not just 1st world countries, like the US, Canada and Europe that have tiny vendors, people who could really use Instant Send on their side, but every shop owner practically in any "3rd tier economy country" I hate using those terms, and am unaware if they have been dubbed non-PC, so forgive me as I don't mean to offend. But places like Mexico are FULL of small shops based in booths, tons of them. Heck, downtown Los Angeles is full of them. Warehouse transformed into malls that resemble those in Mexico with hundreds of vendors in each, row by row of buildings along a street, it's really quite amazing. Don't have to go to Mexico at all to see it!

If these people give discounts for cash and Dash, people will slowly purchase Dash to spend at these places. (and who wants to carry cash?) Then when they take their friends to shop, they'll say, "hey- you really should get some Dash before we go, you get great discounts then!" and Dash use will spread! Because once people have some Dash, other, bigger merchants will become interested in accepting Dash. This will of course take years, but seriously! You gotta start somewhere and this is the end where we can reach Users and Merchants at a grass roots level.

Sure, Paypal had the funds to give away 20 dollars to each person that signed up, but it was still a very small start. Look where they are today. All based on little merchants selling on ebay! And they still corner the market!

 

[indiamikezulu]

Gee, TanteStephana, this is a breath of fresh air. I will have to figure out the app thing, but us IndiaMikeZulu guys have devved on a lot of coins in three years, and never found genuine interest in 'small time' stuff (or any dev stuff at, truth be known).

Mark

 

[TanteStefana]

Mark? I thought you'd be Mike? LOL. Anyways, well yah! I know the core team hope for a top down approach, I just don't see why we can't have a bottom up approach as well, and meet somewhere in the middle! Dash as it is right now, not even with Evolution, is already a great tool for just about anyone, and I know that if we build something, it should later be hooked up with Evolution, but if Evolution will take another year, well, we should get started on this ASAP.

 

[Leadarrow]

Would there be a way of having sub wallet apps that act as personal cash registers for all waiter staff or check out persons so they can use there personal phones but only have the ability to except payments and give refunds (with approval from the main store wallet)? This could be used for multiple business models. This would lower start up costs and maintenance.

 

[TanteStefana]

Are you thinking about tips?

I mean, I don't know of any restaurant that doesn't have a central pay station, even when the waiter takes your CC, they take it to the "register"??

For tips, I would think that a waiter/server could actually have their personal bar code displayed, and the customer would have ultimate control once again on tipping large, small or non-existant based on service provided. And the customer could do it to multiple people according to who served them. You could have an app that calculates % and auto pay with a scan anonymously as you walk out the door. Just enter your total, then scan and press 1%, 3%, 5% etc... Damn I wish I could code!

I could see waiters having their QR code printed on their aprons

 

[indiamikezulu]

Mark? I thought you'd be Mike? LOL. Anyways, well yah! I know the core team hope for a top down approach, I just don't see why we can't have a bottom up approach as well, and meet somewhere in the middle! Dash as it is right now, not even with Evolution, is already a great tool for just about anyone, and I know that if we build something, it should later be hooked up with Evolution, but if Evolution will take another year, well, we should get started on this ASAP.

Combination-top-down-and-bottom-up is fine.

And if anyone knows this produce -- https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22655/59332/ -- and wants to stir the possum, I'll pay all costs, in DASH, to anyone who can mail one bottle to me here in Western Australia.

Uno Chick says, 'Stir the possum? Let's do it!' http://imgur.com/a/VaoU1

 

[TanteStefana]

OK, if anyone ever had doubts about grass roots movements, the American election should remove all doubts! Hillary spent 5X more money on the election than Trump, yet Trump won. Now I didn't like either choice much, though I'll admit I hated Hillary more, but Trump definitely had the grass roots support, and overcame the Clinton machine. That's a pretty powerful message there and exactly why we need to start wooing the foundation, the simplest and most personal level. Please, help me do this everyone!

 

[JZA]

I havent finish the thread but here is my input in the matter of what we can do today:
- Research: the current state of POS systems, market leaders, open source alternatives, extensibility, new software coming up.
- Third party services vs embeded services, services like Blockpay is a third party service which do the proces on their centralized servers (think shapeshift). Embeded services are extensions that host the wallet internally and can process transactions (think Jaxx for Chrome).

We have two type of systems, one is the POS, which is an indepdendent piece of software that can be used regardless of the backoffice system. (Think Vendo, Bindo, TouchBistro, ShopKeep).
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2955-best-pos-systems.html

Then we have ERP, which are the backoffice system, integrated POS into a larger system that covers everything from accounting to inventory, to payroll, to timeslots for the worker cafeteria.
Here is Odoo, OpenBravo, OpenXpertia, SAP, Oracle Retail Xstore, etc.
FLOSS and Proprietary:
http://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/erp/slideshows/ten-open-source-erp-options.html
http://erp.softwareinsider.com/

Open Source vs Propetary software.
Most SAP are open to integration but is really expensive, from development to expertise, to complexity. POS systems are slim and easy to tweak and are extensible enough to add features to it, like multi-currency and add new ones depending on the market.

Independent core
Unfortunately these systems vary too much to be able to have one code tree to satisfy all the different platforms. Different languages and such. Althought communication through RPC should be somewhat simple and supported on every language and instructions such as Instandsend communication could be abstracted from the implementation, specially thanks to the port of the bitcore module into Dash.

FIAT Reliability
As far as I know the biggest obstacle of retail is to have 'instant fiat' but this might not be necesarily the case in the long term. Specially with the appreciation of the crypto payment. The biggest risk come from declaring income,a nd using fiat for accounting/fiscal porpouses. Here is when I said "I am not an accountant... but", there is also a growing demand for crypto accounting.
http://www.coindesk.com/libratax-bitcoin-accounting-software-nears-launch/
https://tapeke.com/
There is even a course on Udemy for Accountants:
https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-for-accountants/

Techncially adding an auto-fiat will take us back to a third party service, specially since is the only way that it can insure the liquidity needed to process the transactions realtime. Not to mention the volume. Also fees might come into play since doing item per item transactions might make very large and expensive small ammount transactions.

Hardware support
Most wallets would be mobile since is what you can expect someone to have available to pay in a store, for that, you need a webcam system which most retail stations dont have. Probably the more modern tablet systems could be used, but you will be locked to an app that might not be able to be extended unless is fully open source. Even with web POS, is a bit challenging to call a webcam and insert the scan. Most of the time we see this on mobile devices, but I still have to see a system from a website. So development here might need to be further researched or builted.

Mobile issues
Still no good app for IOS, and apps are hard to update IMO.

A fork of the DASH Mobile Wallet to make it a POS system could be a way to go about this. Having an endpoint to process a product list and fill out the POS UI could be a way to process payments in DASH, however the app might not be good for anything else, like FIAT or accounting. Further research might need to be done on Mobile based POS and the way they interact with the backoffice.

 

[TanteStefana]

A fork of the DASH Mobile Wallet to make it a POS system could be a way to go about this. Having an endpoint to process a product list and fill out the POS UI could be a way to process payments in DASH, however the app might not be good for anything else, like FIAT or accounting. Further research might need to be done on Mobile based POS and the way they interact with the backoffice.

^^^^This^^^^ As far as "accounting" to pay taxes, most of these people try to stick with cash and do it all under the table (one of the ways they survive, 'cause competition is stiff!)

For this little thing, this basic service idea I have, this is really all we would need. Right here, the idea is for TINY vendors. Women that knit hats and sell them at flea markets, people who create costume / cosplay items and sell them at comic con. These people usually deal in cash, and have expanded to accept CC at very high fees because they make more sales that way. They usually also have a website/sales portal either on ebay or etsy or their own yahoo store, wordpress, etc... BUT they DON'T have an app that will 1. keep tabs on what they sold (it's all written on "sales slips" which then, IF they're organized, has to be put into a book. Most of these people aren't even that organized. They guess on the fly what they spent on making an item and how low they're willing to go for price. They're disorganized and wondering why they barely survive, if they're surviving. Lets help them thrive!

An EASY app, one that can keep tabs on inventory in a very simplistic way... I see this like so:

Supplies, coming from an order they made:
decorative gears $10.99 or $0.23 ea
glue $3.99
leather $26.89

Then they can make things, calculate approx how many supply items it took and time, then enter a unique item or one they make several off, and keep track of sales/inventory, etc...

And that's it. It's almost just a spreadsheet only made in such a way that it's super easy to use with a well explained GUI. Most of these people have a phobia to paperwork and are ADD, so they can't deal with the minutia of tracking things and survive by guessing and never knowing. It's gotta be painless to the Nth degree for them to use. It'll be a god send to them!

This app will automatically price everything in Dash for them, or they can use their little gizmo to charge CC on, or still accept Dash. This could all work on the phone and sync up with their computers at home.

They can accept Dash into their favorite exchange and cash it out automatically. There are a few exchanges already which convert Dash to fiat, might as well show them some support

 

[TanteStefana]

The rest of that stuff, stuff that would excellent for mini marts (and heck, maybe places like 7-11 already use such things) would be awesome too! Of course 7-11 uses SAP and you're not going to change them, but you might change Alta Dena, or independent stores. It would be super awesome if we could dissect Odoo for parts that could make this happen for the application I'm thinking of here, and at the same time integrate Dash into Odoo.

 

[indiamikezulu]

Slowly gathering bullion here in Western Australia for our 'OTC Ag' project. Tiny. Quirky. But by Christmas we should be trading DASH (and MyPetCrypto) for silver.

 

[JZA]

An EASY app, one that can keep tabs on inventory in a very simplistic way... I see this like so:

Supplies, coming from an order they made:
decorative gears $10.99 or $0.23 ea
glue $3.99
leather $26.89

Then they can make things, calculate approx how many supply items it took and time, then enter a unique item or one they make several off, and keep track of sales/inventory, etc...

Yes that's an inventory system, the thing is that once you have that, then it extends to also track your expenses, and invoices then it becomes an accounting system, and that's how usually you end up with an ERP which holds all your company information. But I agree, certainly is a market for something in between I encourage you to try the many POS systems that I suggested (even as demo) and see if they will acomplish your needs, and then show it to the group to see if either we can build one like that from scratch or be able to integrate with other systems.

 

[TanteStefana]

Slowly gathering bullion here in Western Australia for our 'OTC Ag' project. Tiny. Quirky. But by Christmas we should be trading DASH (and MyPetCrypto) for silver.

Can you post a link? I'd like to learn more

Yes that's an inventory system, the thing is that once you have that, then it extends to also track your expenses, and invoices then it becomes an accounting system, and that's how usually you end up with an ERP which holds all your company information. But I agree, certainly is a market for something in between I encourage you to try the many POS systems that I suggested (even as demo) and see if they will acomplish your needs, and then show it to the group to see if either we can build one like that from scratch or be able to integrate with other systems.

Good suggestion, I'll try to put more time into this In the mean time, don't anyone hesitate to suggest things!!!

 

[indiamikezulu]

The present project is 'Distributed-Liquidity Exchange.' But to understand what we're up to, check out this old Unobtanium project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757232.0

Here is the D L Ex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1579087.0

We've run five experimental exchanges since late 2013.

 

[indiamikezulu]

Well, I'm sure still here -- and will be all during Christmas.

Presently laying in some bullion for Ag-crypto trades. And wigglin' about to get some Bitcoin in the kitty. Our merchant -- Lonely Highway Delivery Guy -- finally has a MyPetCoin android wallet (on a smartphone). And for the first time yesterday I bought a little DASH to trade.

And this article encouraged me: I've been treated with ignore in my efforts to get crypto geeks to assist -- 'mentor' -- merchants.

'accepting both fiat and Bitcoin with the help of several Bitcoin groups.'
and 'the shops in the Passage will have no problem in asking for support and guidance.'

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitc...-in-paris-ready-to-accept-bitcoin-for-payment

That's mentoring, pure and simple, and what could be more obviously necessary to grass-roots acceptance than the need for the geeks to assist the newcomers?

 

[indiamikezulu]

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