Status Update 7/1/2014

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In the interest of improving communication with the Darkcoin community, we’ve created a new ‘Announcements’ sub-forum at darkcointalk.org. Though permissions to create threads on this sub-forum will be limited to certain key members, anyone is welcome to comment and offer their feedback. Moving forward, it is our intention to disseminate important information from this sub-forum, linking back to it from our various social media presences and other appropriate outlets.

We understand the frustration that several users have expressed in the last few days regarding the lack of new information coming from the development team. Please consider this a step toward addressing the cause of that frustration.

Rest assured that there are some very important things going on behind the scenes. Some of these things are absolutely unique ideas and solutions that, up to now, have not existed in the cryptocurrency community. The development team has, understandably, been hesitant to offer specific details on these features in order to protect Darkcoin’s significant first-mover advantage and reputation for innovation. To put it more directly: we’d prefer to be the first coin to implement our own unique ideas and innovations.

A few people have asked for a more precise look at what RC3 included. Here is the official word:

Implemented with RC3:
  • Added ‘sporking’ logic to turn on/off enforcement of hard forks
  • Fixed Masternode ‘ghost’ issues where Masternodes appeared online, but were not
  • Added cold/hot Masternode setup for secure, offline storage of funds
  • Optimized Masternode communications traffic (removed spam)

Looking ahead...

In the works for RC4:
  • Removal of Masternode payment votes in blockchain
  • Addition of Masternode voting consensus system
  • Live ‘spork’ for enforcing consensus system
  • Anonymity enhancements
  • For a more detailed explanation of the changes to the Masternode consensus protocol, please check out the “New Enforcement Strategy” section in this article: goo.gl/pDG9W3

As we move into RC4, we will engage in a significantly more organized campaign to disseminate information than we have with any previous RC launch.

For a number of reasons, including time demands on the developers following the infiltration of the official mining pool and the fact that extensive changes and optimizations are being written into the Masternode payout election protocol, we expect RC4 to come online sometime in late July.

In regards to Masternode payment enforcement: There have been some talks with Evan about the possibility of implementing code to blacklist pools which haven’t updated. Though it would certainly be possible, such an implementation would significantly detract from the time he requires to implement the actual fix. We believe his time is better spent creating a permanent fix.

In the meantime, we will endeavor to produce a white list of known good pools as soon as possible, and we will continue to ‘out’ known bad actors as best we can. This is where the community can make a significant contribution. Please check out GhostPlayer’s (aka Yidakee) thread here: goo.gl/lD1FGh

As was mentioned yesterday on the bitcointalk thread, there are some very exciting and important things on the table for Darkcoin. We’re in a bit of a lull at the moment, and we’ll be looking at ways to keep the community engaged until some of the inevitable fireworks start up again.

The best is yet to come.

Thanks,
The Darkcoin Team

Addendum: To be clear, the question on everyone's mind in regards to the Masternode enforcement mechanism built into RC3 is, "Why don't we just flip the switch?" The answer is that RC3's enforcement mechanism has caused issues on the network twice now. Knowing that, enabling it a third time in its current state because we're annoyed by some non-paying pools would be quite irresponsible. Instead, Evan has chosen to build a simpler, safer, new enforcement mechanism, to be implemented with RC4. --Chris Rimoldi (eltito)
 
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Great Job Guys! keep up the great work. for such a small group of developers, u guys get a lot done. this idea is bigger then any one entity, and u guys are really keeping pace as best u can with its evolution. hopefully, something has been started that is will grow beyond a scope ever before seen. and i feel comfortable with the people whos hands are nurturing this new born "thing" into life.
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Fantastic read! ... in all my years on the internet (since my first 9600 baud modem), I've never seen a community grow in such a cohesive, organised and professional manner. Top marks!
 
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Nice update, and thanks for the hard work. I think the Darkcoin truely offers something special and can become giant. The only area I feel could use a little love is the press area. This forum will definitely help, but I think developer hangouts on YouTube, giveaways, promotional things, could help build a strong community. I know it is the last thing most developers want to do, but just a suggestion. Thanks for all your hard work.​
 
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Well done !! …>
 

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I personally was hoping for more Pimp-hand enforcement and less professional spokesman language.
 
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So if Evan is building a new switch to be implemented in RC4 and RC4 is planned for end july, does that mean there will be no enforcement until end of july?
 

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So if Evan is building a new switch to be implemented in RC4 and RC4 is planned for end july, does that mean there will be no enforcement until end of july?
Yes. Evan decided he wanted to scrap the RC3 enforcement mechanism in favor of something that did the same thing in a simpler manner.

The choices that left were:
  1. Implement RC3 enforcement in its current form and risk breaking the network again
  2. Write new code to black list blocks from non-paying pool, giving himself sole capability to do so (an option he was not comfortable with, as he felt it gave him too much power), or
  3. Write new code to fix the problem permanently
Options 2 and 3 take a similar amount of time to implement. After he wrote the code for option 2, however, he would have had to start all over again writing the code for option 3. Since that makes no sense whatsoever and Evan is a pretty smart cookie, he just skipped on ahead to option 3.
 

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Edited. I was running on no sleep and misunderstood something I read which snowballed. Total Misunderstanding.

After re-reading the next day, it was refreshing to see that such detailed info is shared amongst the community.

Dark does it again, it pulls me over from an intense mentality to a better mentality :)
 
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1st of all this is my first post, but anyways.

1. You dont mention the fact that users are concerned, or mention the fact that users might be "frustrated"

First sign of a project having serious problems, is when you have to do pr work, and word it like you just have as if some great fire is burning and we need to rush to put it out.

This is a no no, not to mention what it does to anyone that is new the DARKcoin. Instant turn off.

2. You dont give baby details, or play by plays when you develop something. To a non developer, it is scary sh*t. Non developers dont understand that things change 100 times in the background before they see a finished project.

If non developers knew what happened in the background, before a big product launch at most companies, they would sh*t their pants, esp if they have pre ordered something or put a down payment on a product (Tesla model S comes to mind). I know that it doesnt fit in this case 100%, but it is the same idea.

You give soft updates, that are chipper and truthful. You give updates on what you can in "general terms".

Post #10 gives waay too much information on something that will probably change 10 more times before its finalized, and Post #1 contains some text that would scare new people away.

For god sakes, correct this entire post, or delete it and start fresh with general information. Let people know that exciting things are happening, give somewhat detailed information and leave it to when you actually roll something new out, for announcements.

Jeezus.

Other than that. Good job dev team, the coin is coming along nicely.
In the second paragraph he mentions 'frustration' for lack of communication. He doesn't mention 'concerns', but I think that the message goes through quite well without it: We know you are worried because we haven't talked much, we are sorry about that. Here it goes this post to solve that.

I'm not sure why you dislike the post so much, but I think you are asking for too much. First you criticize the need for PR as a sign of serious problems. Then you want to edit some parts because some details may be scary for non developers. You can't have truthful communication and perfect message at the same time!

EDIT: typo
 

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LittleFinger (camosoul?)You certainly hold much more DRK than me and I'll admit I'm envious for that.

I don't think I'm smarter or dumber than anyone here. I don't have enough info and I don't really care about individual people, I care about the project even if I don't hold such a big stake as yours. If you are who I think you are, I usually agree with most things you post and I get that you are worried that eltito 's announcement is not perfect (I also would have preferred the pools not knowing that we are not enforcing until RC4, but they probably had already figured that out already anyway), but Darkcoin has been criticized a lot because of lack of communication and a place for announcements. I believe this is a decent step in the right direction. Communication is not gonna solve the problems we are experiencing and their effect on price. Only solving them will and I trust Evan to do that. Meanwhile it would be great if those with interest help with communication. You have a big interest in Darkcoin, I hope you decide to stay around and post more.
 

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LittleFinger> I like the small details (even if they are far from detailed enough on a development standpoint), but I can understand how it can confuse non-devs.
Maybe there should be the non-dev and dev announcements. I really prefer to know what are the problems (because they explain what I see on my status page for ex), I would really dislike a "Everything is going fine" approach without any detail.
 

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Yeah, that is completely understandable. I've had my coffee, so things are a little calmer here lol.

The Everything is going fine approach is def not a good one, I would never suggest that. I see in very small details, and people often dont understand me, so I guess what I was speaking towards was smaller than most would imagine.

More along the lines of not acknowledging there is user frustration with communication, and just skip right to the communication part. The acknowledging aspect of it, just states that 1. Users are frustrated and 2. An update has to be rushed or given to quell that problem. (I know... very small detail, probably not eve worth mentioning, but Im approaching it from a different aspect than as just a user)

There is more, but I will leave it alone, as again its just a bunch of very small details.

One of the frustrations was with the enforcement switch itself, in regards to making sure everyone knows its only a temp solution and will be killed off as each feature is tested. I have seen some posts similar, but reddit (which most people visit to keep up with DRK I would imagine) needs a very clear and concise explanation of this feature from a-z, why it was implemented, highlighting the fact that it is only temp etc etc.

Like I said, things are calmer here now, hope I didnt offend anyone, I can get kind of intense sometimes.
I don't think you need to apologize for caring. If this forum turns into a hugging festival we won't get things done. Discussion is good. Coffee is also good... I usually use it to pump me up instead of calming, but if it works for you that is great ;)

elbereth Completely off topic, but thanks for your masternode page. It is kind of comforting to see that if I don't get paid that much it is not because of me :)
 

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Hmm. What is your background, LittleFinger (if you don't mind my asking)?

Darkcoin is a development project, yes, and if that were all it was I would agree with you. In standard product development, you'd never see this sort of thing. It's not necessary and it can actually be counterproductive.

But Darkcoin is also a cryptocurrency project and an investment platform. There is a different mindset that comes with both of those groups. Investors and crypto enthusiasts tend to have a low "slick bullshit marketing" tolerance. My concern in that regard was that this message wasn't detailed enough, truth be told. They would like to know that their concerns are being heard, understood and addressed and they would like details.

I absolutely appreciate your feedback and experience, but PR isn't a one-size-fits-all undertaking.
 
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What happened to ninja update Evan, with the enforce button. Where'd that guy go? i liked him.
The market liked him too, he was exciting and promising.

Now we're back to pussyfoot Evan, but read the posts, community wants Evan to grab the network by the balls and pwn it!

Yes, Eltito is concerned with being responsible, but i dont need a baby sitter, i can sell if i dont like what i see. And what about the 500 master nodes, this isnt being too responsible to us.

Pimp-hand means, yes, you may have to back-hand a ho to get her in line. And
Enforce means, yes, youre willing to thug it out to get your way.
The community accepted instamine and closed source darksend. The argument of Evan being too powerful is long since invalid. This is not the time for senator Palpatine anyway, we need a dark Sith Emperor...temporarily.

If the price is going to tank, let it tank because of action and not inaction.
Blacklist, back-hand, thug it out...do what you gotta do to reach fully-operational status
 
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What happened to ninja update Evan, with the enforce button. Where'd that guy go? i liked him.
The market liked him too, he was exciting and promising.

Now we're back to pussyfoot Evan, but read the posts, community wants Evan to grab the network by the balls and pwn it!

Yes, Eltito is concerned with being responsible, but i dont need a baby sitter, i can sell if i dont like what i see. And what about the 500 master nodes, this isnt being too responsible to us.

Pimp-hand means, yes, you may have to back-hand a ho to get her in line. And
Enforce means, yes, youre willing to thug it out to get your way.
The community accepted instamine and closed source darksend. The argument of Evan being too powerful is long since invalid. This is not the time for senator Palpatine anyway, we need a dark Sith Emperor...temporarily.

If the price is going to tank, let it tank because of action and not inaction.
Blacklist, back-hand, thug it out...do what you gotta do to reach fully-operational status
It's not worth risking the network just to bitch slap some hoes. I hate them too...really really hate them for stealing from me...but it just isn't worth the risk for revenge. I trust Evan.

Network consensus just isn't quite strong enough yet and he isn't 100% happy with the enforcement code. As someone pointed out a week or so ago, a lack of network consensus can break even bitcoin. Patience, young Padawan.
 
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It's not worth risking the network just to bitch slap some hoes. I hate them too...really really hate them for stealing from me...but it just isn't worth the risk for revenge. I trust Evan.

Network consensus just isn't quite strong enough yet and he isn't 100% happy with the enforcement code. As someone pointed out a week or so ago, a lack of network consensus can break even bitcoin. Patience, young Padawan.
I guess you took that literally.... Listen miners arent going to press the 'reduce my profit 20% button' ever, not in time, not next month, it's just not happening. They will update when their rigs stop producing, but they will update.
I think the risk you mention will happen from inaction before it will happen from enforcing (its happening now actually). The only difference will be that we'd have masternodes set up and be in a position to rebuild. We all trust Evan, he's the man, I just want to encourage him to put down this little insurrection without fearing the battle... if he mans up, we got this.

Otherwise end of the month is a loooong way to go from here, a long ways indeed.
 

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Good update. With all the scamcoins muddying the water in Crypto, full transparency is the only way forward.

Evan is a clever cookie, I noticed how he under promised and over delivered on the June 20th update so I wouldn't be surprised if we go live prior to end of July.

Keep up the great work team and we are all here for you if you need help with anything...
 

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Eltito & Team,
Do you feel as though yourself and the development team have a good grasp on how Darkcoin is viewed by the community right now? I am not asking this question with a smart ass slant nor am I attempting to get a specific answer. I am asking this question in the hopes that you will noodle a little harder and question your own premises and those of the dev team in an effort to deeper grasp what the TRUE NEEDS of your PR campaign actually are as determined by your sense of the outside climate. Wait...first you must understand that what you are doing is in fact an PR campaign. If you don't then you have other work to do. The needs of a PR campaign for a politician are different from that of a large gas station chain, different from pet supply store, different from Dogecoin even. Further, PR campaigns need a format. All good ones had 3 things in common (think Apple.) What, why, and when. What, why, and when includes 'what happened, what's going to happen, when it happened, and why it happened.'

Drilling down a little farther
In the paragraph above I ended a sentence with "....as determined by your sense of the outside climate". I want you to consider.... 'as determined by someone else's sense that is INSIDE the climate and is NOT a dev, coder, et al.' Climate being miners and investors etc. NOT development personnel. I'm going to guess that you believe you know what that is based on the all the posts on bitcointalk and the price movement. I am asking that you question that premise.

In my experience all creatives have one thing in common. They lack an ability to explain things in a concise set of terms that makes it possible for an 8th grade dropout to understand what's going on. Please know, without doubt, that you have the entire spectrum of education and sytles of thinking investing and mining your coin. You cannot know what's inside a full garbage can unless you go all the way to the bottom. Accept this and the rest will be easier.

Suggestions
First, marry all the outlets that release news (and I know you are working on this.) They must be hand in hand. The original post on bitcointalk is as you know sad. Every miner from the beginning of BTC has used the OP as a source. The dev team and yourself know this. People should not be having wallet issues this late in the game. Second (and in my view more important than anything I've said here), solicit a news article from 3 different persons THAT ARE NOT PART OF YOUR TEAM IN ANY WAY. These people must be completely disconnected from the dev team. Eltito this step will tell you if your own premises about Darkcoin and the way it's viewed is spot on or space bound. Three people, or as many as you can tolerate, write fake news articles about the state of Darkcoin. They attempt to describe enforcement, masternodes, RC3 content, RC4 content..etc. This will tell you the extent of what's not understood. If time permits I will write one for you this weekend. This is the equivalent of sticking a giant digital thermometer up the large ass of Darkcoin. You will know it's temperature. Again just to reemphasize....I am asking you to test your view against that of the community. This is the tap root essence of what PR is. Seems like a lot of extra work but it's not. All you have to do is read them.

All of you (dev team et al) know Darkcoin is going to be big if you pull this off. Treat it as though it's big RIGHT NOW. It'll be easier when it's does become big. This needs to be treated as though it's an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange NOW....not later.
 

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But Darkcoin is also a cryptocurrency project and an investment platform. There is a different mindset that comes with both of those groups. Investors and crypto enthusiasts tend to have a low "slick bullshit marketing" tolerance.
Ditto slick bullshit marketing. Out of all alt-currencies (all meaning all but Bitcoin) the Darkcoin seems the most serious of them all. In this phase of crypto all is development

... PR isn't a one-size-fits-all undertaking.
Precisely. I looked at Unobtanium and the same moment the (new) key developer started bashing DRK I gave up on them. I looked at Redcoin and find funny that Twitter garbage they use trying to boost the price. I looked at MaxCoin and StartCoin because I find Max Keiser entertaining, but nothing is as serious as Darkcoin and its development.

So, "PR" requirement for moi would be: let me know you guys are still alive and are working :)
 
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Eltito & Team,
Do you feel as though yourself and the development team have a good grasp on how Darkcoin is viewed by the community right now? I am not asking this question with a smart ass slant nor am I attempting to get a specific answer. I am asking this question in the hopes that you will noodle a little harder and question your own premises and those of the dev team in an effort to deeper grasp what the TRUE NEEDS of your PR campaign actually are as determined by your sense of the outside climate. Wait...first you must understand that what you are doing is in fact an PR campaign. If you don't then you have other work to do. The needs of a PR campaign for a politician are different from that of a large gas station chain, different from pet supply store, different from Dogecoin even. Further, PR campaigns need a format. All good ones had 3 things in common (think Apple.) What, why, and when. What, why, and when includes 'what happened, what's going to happen, when it happened, and why it happened.'

Drilling down a little farther
In the paragraph above I ended a sentence with "....as determined by your sense of the outside climate". I want you to consider.... 'as determined by someone else's sense that is INSIDE the climate and is NOT a dev, coder, et al.' Climate being miners and investors etc. NOT development personnel. I'm going to guess that you believe you know what that is based on the all the posts on bitcointalk and the price movement. I am asking that you question that premise.

In my experience all creatives have one thing in common. They lack an ability to explain things in a concise set of terms that makes it possible for an 8th grade dropout to understand what's going on. Please know, without doubt, that you have the entire spectrum of education and sytles of thinking investing and mining your coin. You cannot know what's inside a full garbage can unless you go all the way to the bottom. Accept this and the rest will be easier.

Suggestions
First, marry all the outlets that release news (and I know you are working on this.) They must be hand in hand. The original post on bitcointalk is as you know sad. Every miner from the beginning of BTC has used the OP as a source. The dev team and yourself know this. People should not be having wallet issues this late in the game. Second (and in my view more important than anything I've said here), solicit a news article from 3 different persons THAT ARE NOT PART OF YOUR TEAM IN ANY WAY. These people must be completely disconnected from the dev team. Eltito this step will tell you if your own premises about Darkcoin and the way it's viewed is spot on or space bound. Three people, or as many as you can tolerate, write fake news articles about the state of Darkcoin. They attempt to describe enforcement, masternodes, RC3 content, RC4 content..etc. This will tell you the extent of what's not understood. If time permits I will write one for you this weekend. This is the equivalent of sticking a giant digital thermometer up the large ass of Darkcoin. You will know it's temperature. Again just to reemphasize....I am asking you to test your view against that of the community. This is the tap root essence of what PR is. Seems like a lot of extra work but it's not. All you have to do is read them.

All of you (dev team et al) know Darkcoin is going to be big if you pull this off. Treat it as though it's big RIGHT NOW. It'll be easier when it's does become big. This needs to be treated as though it's an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange NOW....not later.
You're taking about target audience analysis. Yes, I am very aware of the need for it. No, I haven't formally structured anything in that regard quite yet.

There is a lot of work to be done on several fronts. That is only one of them. Right now, for lack of a better word, I'm in a triage phase. Once I have my head around that, the proper work can begin.
 
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You're taking about target audience analysis. Yes, I am very aware of the need for it. No, I haven't formally structured anything in that regard quite yet.

There is a lot of work to be done on several fronts. That is only one of them. Right now, for lack of a better word, I'm in a triage phase. Once I have my head around that, the proper work can begin.
Hello,
I haven't been around lately, mostly lurking, and when I was 'around', it wasn't for much. I am glad that you have taken control as community lead (for lack of better term). Not really any critique, and I didn't want to start a new thread. I appreciate your dedication to dark and the level headed approach you bring, listening and weighing the pros and cons of those whom express opinions. While some opinions are better than others, they are all given with the same hope and desire to see dark succeed. I wish you well in this new role.
 

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Reading the critical lectures above in all that is wrong I'd like to say the reason I am into Darkcoin, apart from it's features is because of the honesty of Evan. The sincerity rings through and for what it's worth I believe the only advice is to keep doing what you have been doing because it works for me.
 

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Guys I noticed what looked like a Bot yesterday buying fractional Darkcoin low to keep the price suppressed, might be a Darkcoin lover that wants in low or a competitor trying to undermine Drk's stature, a shame we cannot kill this behaviour.
 

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Guys I noticed what looked like a Bot yesterday buying fractional Darkcoin low to keep the price suppressed, might be a Darkcoin lover that wants in low or a competitor trying to undermine Drk's stature, a shame we cannot kill this behaviour.
I have noticed this behaviour of late too, but it happens on every market in the world where liquidity is an issue. Its generally hunting stops and trying to create a perception that things are worse than they are, trying to force the hand of weak holders to exit. Its often a bullish sign IMHO.

If anything, buy more :)
 

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Thought for the day, when you know that you have RC4 sorted and you are ready to release it, maybe it might be worth considering announcing a deployment date a week away. A fwd date is a beautiful thing :)
 
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