Spies in Core Team, Censorship etc

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It is obvious that Walter doesnt understand that the rules of the game are decided by the community, and can change whenever the community decides. And this is the only rule.

If you point a gun whenever they decide to change the rules, then the community will leave, and you will be alone.
 

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Wtf does any of this have to do with the 12.1 announcement or even development news and information? Please delete off-topic posts.
 

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Wtf does any of this have to do with the 12.1 announcement or even development news and information? Please delete off-topic posts.
Or does your complain has something to do with the 12.1 announcement?

Instead of complaining, you should ask the forum admins to add an "off-topic" type rating. The community should rate the off-topic comments, and then you should ask again the forum admins to add filter capabilities to every thread so that everyone who is annoyed can filter the off-topic posts.

But you dont like this elegant solution, because you are a censor. If something is deleted, you dont know what has been told! Together with the off-topic posts, the alternative opinion is also deleted, and nobody can prove that it was an alternative opinion and not something irrelevant. This obfuscation is exactly what the censors desire, in order to legalize the blind deletes and thus to promote their agenda and mislead the community.
 
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Wtf does any of this have to do with the 12.1 announcement or even development news and information? Please delete off-topic posts.
or just move them to the off topic sub forum ?
or create a troll-box sub forum, where these can be moved into ?

(i'm brainstorming here)
 
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or just move them to the off topic sub forum ?
or create a troll-box sub forum, where these can be moved into ?
You butter the bread of the censors.

This can also be used as a pretext in order to perform censorship. By following this tactic, the censors move not only the off-topics, but also the alternative opinion in order to bury it with tons of irrelevant things. But the alternative opinion has value only nearby the opinion, and not in a separate place.

If you want to move the off-topics, and you dont like to filter them (although filtering is a better solution as long as not only the alternative opinion but also the offtopics have value in the place where they have been originaly posted) then you should ask for a "move" type rating. And then let the community to rate and decide whether something has to be moved and where, while at the same time always leave a trace at the place where the off-topics have been originaly posted.

Do not let the censors to decide what has to be moved. Do not let them move the posts without leaving traces at the original post place. They will surely abuse their power in order to promote their agenda.
 
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Moderators != Censors and I just "abused" my "power" to clean the thread, feel free to blame me for that :cool:
I hope you understand that by moving the messages here, you destroyed all the url links that point from here to some different parts of the forum and also you destroyed all the url links from different parts of the forum to here.

Additionaly, you moved the messages because you only decided about that, without asking the opinion of the community.

And finally, the most important thing, you didnt left a trace in the original thread, that leads here in this thread, so that the readers can be informed that someone moved the messages.

If this is not a form of censorship, then what is it?
 
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I hope you understand that by moving the messages here, you destroyed all the url links that point from here to some different parts of the forum and also you destroyed all the url links from different parts of the forum to here.

Additionaly, you moved the messages because you only decided about that, without asking the opinion of the community.

And finally, the most important thing, you didnt left a trace in the original thread, that leads here in this thread, so that the readers can be informed that someone moved the messages.
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That discussion was off-topic from my point of view, some members of community mentioned this and I agreed and did my moderator's job. I don't care that much if I ruined your off-topic discussion and no, I'm not going to fix your mistakes.

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If this is not a form of censorship, then what is it?
This is MODERAAAAAAATION! :D

Let me be clear. I'm mostly taking it patiently but sometimes you guys are off the rails completely. Not all parts of this forum is the wall you can throw your shit at all day long, some parts of it have to be clear. For other parts there is off-topic subforum or at least a separate thread if it still has smth to do with Dash but nothing with the original thread. This is forum, not some freaking chat - threads are here for reasons.
 
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Congrats Dude!! you just volunteered yourself to develop the new Dash.org forum... All you have to do is submit an 'intelligible proposal' to the Dash community and I'm sure the Masternode Operators will vote it through... All it'll cost is 5 Dash... Can I count you in??!

Intelligibly,

Walter

Hey @Walter, what about this: Give me 0.2202 dash here, and I will add the proposal.

All it'll cost to you is 0.2202 Dash (=2.717268 USD or 2 dollars and 72 cents)... Can I count you in??

Intelligibly,

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Anything that goes against the narrative is trolling. How dare you even mention this! All speech must be controlled! This subject matter has not been approved by the DASH Bureau of Thought Crime Prevention.... Prepare to be marginalized, in the name of pure thought!
 

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Anything that goes against the narrative is trolling. How dare you even mention this! All speech must be controlled! This subject matter has not been approved by the DASH Bureau of Thought Crime Prevention.... Prepare to be marginalized, in the name of pure thought!
And queue the thread closure for off topic(non pro Dash discussion).
 

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And queue the thread closure for off topic(non pro Dash discussion).
Doubt it, sections like development news should have tight moderation imho but general is more, well, general and even the trolls occasionally have something useful to say, kind of like the "infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters" principle ;)
 

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You guys realize that if people start bumping a thread for no reason other than to call out the moderators and predict that they are going to lock the thread, then that's actually an appropriate reason to lock the thread especially if you keep doing it. It's like they aren't doing it so you try to keep pushing the boundaries so that you can say 'i told you so'. Let's grow up folks!
 

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You guys realize that if people start bumping a thread for no reason other than to call out the moderators and predict that they are going to lock the thread, then that's actually an appropriate reason to lock the thread especially if you keep doing it. It's like they aren't doing it so you try to keep pushing the boundaries so that you can say 'i told you so'. Let's grow up folks!
They are bumping the thread because the problems that this thread deals with are important and have not been resolved yet.
 
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You guys realize that if people start bumping a thread for no reason other than to call out the moderators and predict that they are going to lock the thread, then that's actually an appropriate reason to lock the thread especially if you keep doing it. It's like they aren't doing it so you try to keep pushing the boundaries so that you can say 'i told you so'. Let's grow up folks!
If the thread title wasn't changed by GrandMasterDash then this is the thread title chosen by UdjinM6 after the off-topic posts where moved out of the 12.1 announcement thread, I don't know about you but that doesn't suggest the core team are too worried about these kind of discussions to me.
 

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And not only switch off the payments. Here follows the list of what Evan and the core team can change (or switch off) any time at all the 4271 running masternodes, without asking anyone about it:

#define SPORK_2_INSTANTX_DEFAULT 978307200 //2001-1-1
#define SPORK_3_INSTANTX_BLOCK_FILTERING_DEFAULT 1424217600 //2015-2-18
#define SPORK_5_MAX_VALUE_DEFAULT 1000 //1000 DASH (<---this is the masternodes collateral)
#define SPORK_7_MASTERNODE_SCANNING_DEFAULT 978307200 //2001-1-1
#define SPORK_8_MASTERNODE_PAYMENT_ENFORCEMENT_DEFAULT 4070908800 //OFF
#define SPORK_9_MASTERNODE_BUDGET_ENFORCEMENT_DEFAULT 4070908800 //OFF
#define SPORK_10_MASTERNODE_PAY_UPDATED_NODES_DEFAULT 4070908800 //OFF
#define SPORK_11_RESET_BUDGET_DEFAULT 0
#define SPORK_12_RECONSIDER_BLOCKS_DEFAULT 0
#define SPORK_13_ENABLE_SUPERBLOCKS_DEFAULT 4070908800 //OFF

This is of course only what I have read into the opensource code (and I have not read all the code yet). Additionaly, there are also the compiled binaries where no independant tester has ever checked them whether more hidden sporks exist there or not. I wonder why the masternodes owners, while they keep voting and paying for marketeers for feasts and for conferences, why they have not yet asked an independant tester to check the masternode binaries for hidden sporks or even worst for password stealer trojans.

The trust the masternode owners put in the core team, seems suspicious to me. Trust , but verify should be the rational thing to happen.
I wonder why the above message is hidden.
It is rated :
Dumb x 3 ( @JGCMiner @qwizzie @aleix )
Agree x 2 ( @GrandMasterDash @Solarminer )
Trolling x 2 ( @tungfa @Dunedoo )
Winner x 1 ( @TheDashGuy )

...while other mesages with 3 trolling (or 3 dump) are still visible.
It seems to me that with 4 negative ratings, the message is hidden regardless how many positive ratings it received.

Does anyone knows the rule that makes a message hidden?
 
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