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proposals corruption in Venezuela inflating budgets

Discussion in 'Budget Proposal Discussions' started by julia gonzalez, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. alepiño

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    ill pay more attention, but from what ive read it seems that people are complaining about receiving less money than they were promised. My guess, would be Dashccs is dealing with the price fall. i havent seen any evidence to the contrary.
     
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    What @alepiño wanted to said @demo was: "Hello everyone, excuse me for writing in Spanish, since I am not very good at writing in English and my message may not be understood, but I have some doubts related to what I have read. It seems to me that @luisfrat gave a pretty solid argument, you can see that people have received monthly payments close to the date of each event, so as I can see,this evidence shows that they are inflating the budget in that area. However I would like that @algodones.franelas place here each budget of all the events, since they are difficult to search in the forum, and that the employee that she have also demonstrate, using this way, with invoices, that those prices were paid, since they seem to be a little bit high and with what we saw before I question that budget. I also found your answer a bit elusive, since we have never talked about not achieving the goals, the issue is about budgets and I think that clarifying this would add much more weight to what you are saying and doing, since with this you would also show that you are doing things right.

    On the other hand, I have some doubts about the event, why are almost always the same people? Why was it promised 10 dollars and then a recharge of 10 that were not fulfilled? This caused a lot of disgust in the people at the event, if it was because of the low prices I think it should have been better if you said this fact before (That there would be 15 $ in total). Was money lost?" @unchained
     
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    Hi @unchained, I used a budget from November and December(that budget represents 1 mont she received 2 times that for november and December) as you can see she budgeted 4.5 Dash for 35 staff members, it gives a total of 0.12 for each staff member and as you can see she paid us less than that(in the screenshot of my wallet the 20/11/2017 is my payment for the november event and the 22/12/2017, in the upper side of the budget you can look she estimated the budget with a Dash price of 310$ and in that months prices where not falling, they where rising so is clearly that something weird is hapenning, some people are asking for her to show some proves of their expenses and she is being evasive.
     
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    @luisfrat, show ur evidence.... i dont see any other post from u
     
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    yes all the posts are being hidden using trolling, it seems they don't want us to be heard
    I will tag you there
     
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    I am reposting this because it get hidden, I used this budget from November and December(that budget represents 1 mont she received 2 times that for november and December) as you can see she budgeted 4.5 Dash for 35 staff members, it gives a total of 0.12 for each staff member and as you can see she paid us less than that(in the screenshot of my wallet the 20/11/2017 is my payment for the november event and the 22/12/2017 my december payment) , in the upper side of the budget you can look she estimated the budget with a Dash price of 310$ and in that months prices where not falling, they where rising so is clearly that something weird is hapenning, some people are asking for her to show some proves of their expenses and she is being evasive. @tungfa @unchained

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    Hello @everybody as some already know work with dash caracas from the beginning, and I will try to answer some concerns of those who expose their case here.
    Mr. @luisfrat I really have to thank you for uploading those images, because they help a lot, I will explain what you can not see:
    @algodon.franelas don.franelas begins by explaining that this budget is for two (2) events, that is, your final account must be divided in two so that your payments are squared, and include your salary the food you receive for each day you work, that as you understand that generates an expense as well as the shirt, so the small difference that you will have.
    @alepiño for each event we have a new participation from 55 to 65%, this means that always open people who have already attended other events (which I imagine are the ones I see regularly) and if you consider that we are a community because always We will have at least one group of people who will be the same, otherwise it would not be a community, apart, we seek that this is so because of this group of people, some have been detected that really want Venezuela to overcome the situation that overwhelms us and it is they who have created 13 communities in the interior of the country that replicate our work in their localities, I myself am the creator of one of them, it is worth mentioning that from this same group there have also been 4 excellent proposals and ideas such as Dash Help, Dash Youth, Dash Merchant, and Criptolifex.
    As for the recharge, first of all I remind you that we handle DASH not fiat currencies or another crypto, with that in mind, I'll explain: the recharges if they met the budget even more than what this supposed to be 0.0338 per person and in the event the initial recharge was 0.0228 and the reimbursement was 0.0115 for a total of 0.0343, you can corroborate it with some acquaintance that has attended that event, and I will leave in a while the proof of this, I am getting it. But at no time was 1 Duff lost.
    By the way, in terms of the results, I recommend you read the first message from your colleague @julia gonzalez who DOs question these results.

    @JPGil , Mr. @jesccs tells us that he pays $ 1500 for 3mgb per month, I do not manage the budget for this expense but if I manage what comes with this service and they are dedicated 60mgb for 2 days, if they really are $ 4000 as you say, I think we have a good balance here, and I remind you that much of this service should be set aside for streaming live that is made of the event so that people who could not attend can obtain that information, the rest is for the more than 1200 people present
     
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    Hola a todos
    Mi nombre es Richard Jerez
    Soy un emprendedor en Los Teques, Venezuela, con más de 15 años de experiencia.
    En estos momentos me organizo a la comunidad de dash Los teques.
    Sigo muy de cerca los eventos de dash caracas, como emprendedor y oyente.
    Con propiedad, puedo decir que organizar eventos de tal magnitud merece un fuerte aplauso. Dado que hay muchas variables juntas.
    Pretender cuestionar un proyecto tan noble es realmente bajo y proviene más de un colaborador interno.
    Como decimos aquí, los trapos deben lavarse en casa y no al aire libre, porque no trato esa inconformidad internamente, ¿antes de instalarla en un foro?
    La gente piensa que en Venezuela los beneficios del control cambiario, cuando los presupuestos son en dólares, pero eso era antes, ahora los servicios y productos se cobran más caros que en el extranjero, esto se debe al problema de la inflación, y no sabe cuál es la moneda cambiado Por lo tanto, cumplir con un presupuesto inicial es bastante complicado y en muchos casos incluso imposible, más bien es necesario reconsiderarlo y ajustarlo.
    No hay duda de que los objetivos se lograron y de que los fondos se usaron bien, pedir una factura de lo que se gasta es un insulto, ya que sabemos que muchos servicios no tienen respaldo. Tal vez podría afectar la variación del precio DASH, ya que seguramente se contrató a un precio en bolívares que al momento del pago tenía menos disponibilidad.
    Creo que lo más lógico es ignorar y continuar con este arduo trabajo.
    @ algodon.franelas estamos con usted!
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    I apologize for my bad English
     
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    Dear dash community

    I work with the Dash Caracas Team since the beginning and can testify DASHCCS and Dash Venezuela are a transparent, honest and serious organizations. Her project manager and team are working very hard to build a lot of opportunities for all the venezuelan people and convert Venezuela in the first Dash Nation, because Eugenia Alcalá and her team brought to us the blockchain philosophy of Dash and give for all the people in the country the posibility to enjoy, understant and study the new economic era with the use of the cryptocurrencies like Dash. The people in our country now can access to another economic mentality to afront the bad crisis wich we are suffering. A lot of new entrepreneurs and different kind of public who assits to the conferences now understant what is Dash and can understant how Dash can change their lives for better. A lot of new projects was borned like the communities around the country (Dash Maracay, Dash Maracaibo, Dash Los Teques, Dash San Antonio de Los Altos, Dash Táchira, Dash Guayana, etc.), the projects with financial support of the Dash Master Nodes, like Dash Help, Dash Youth Venezuela, Cryptolifex and the list go on. The conferences of DashCCS and all of the people who assist can prove that; only have to see the results in the social networks (Facebbok, Twitter, Instagram and Youtube). Within this conferences maybe most of the people in Venezuela never knew anything about Dash and maybe can`t give the incentive to make they proposals for Dash Master Nodes or even talk to other people about Dash through the meetups which take place in the different states of Venezuela every month.

    The economic crisis in Venezuela is very bad and the inflation is one of the topics for this problem. This kind of inflation make the increase of the prices every week and is very difficult to have a stable prices in the market; much of the bussines have they budgets in dolars and changed it from one day to another. ¿How can you calculate the exact price of the services or the products? DashCCS and Dash Venezuela are making an enormous efforts to make every conference and they have to afront the problems of the inflation when they paid every service to bring the most quality to the public. Remember they are the face of Dash Digital Cash in Venezuela.

    If some one have a problem with the budget or the payments for the services of DashCCS or Dash Venezuela and its transparency, can call or write to Eugenia Alcala through the contacts she brings to the community in her first comment.

    I only see honesty, transparency and hard work to bring a new hope for Venezuela. Nothing more.

    Any kind of negative comments need a serious proves. I suggested the members who have this comments demonstrate they are from DashCCS and discuss their discomfort with Eugenia Alcalá and her Dash team. This is a professional and mature attitude.

    Have a nice day and best wishes for all the Dash community.
     
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    Hi, @Leogriz my numbers wasn't wrong, I read very carefully the budget and the proposal approval, the total that she received was 146 dash for 2 events and if you divided in two as you say it gives 73 dash per month, the budget I posted represents 1 month because it was the same for the november and december event, you can verified it with a screenshot I will post of the proposal approval amount that is 146 divided in two payments, I'm also posting the link too.(I already said that the shirt was given to me at the first event and to my other work partners too).
    with your explanation make this a lot darker, for me this means dashccs budgeted twice the money that was needed for the events and when someone ask for proves of your expenses you only give excuses. I want to mantain my anonymity for my security, so I'm not contacting anyone out of here, if you have everything ok is easy to prove it HER!

    I take a screenshot of @Leogriz comment to not let it edit or erase the comment(you can see it down here) @tungfa @unchained

    the link to check the total amount

    https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Caracas-Venezuela2ndand3rdconference

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    I've just assumed there must be some 'fudging' of all proposals where proper verification will not be practical.
     
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    Amigo te voy a responder en español y clarito y raspado como hablamos los venezolanos..... y cómo primero que todo deberías comunicarte con las oficinas de dash Ccs a pedir respuestas

    Aquí (volvemos y lo repetimos ya que no lees inglés) nadie es jefe de nadie para q tú estés pidiendo sueldo! Si usted puede hacer las cosas mejor y más barato hechale bolas y hazlo.... pero no vengas a despretigiar el trabajo de un equipo (porq @algodon.franelas no es sólo ella ahí hay un poco de gente incluyendo a tus amigos) por dudas que tienes en el pago de 5$ de diferencia, sin nisiquiera entender un ajuste con bajadas de precios, que no das argumentos estructurados del problema, que no aportas soluciones, y que no manejas la ética de comunicarte con tu comunidad cara a cara y resolver tus dudas.

    Así que te invito a que sumes y dejes de cagar lo que un poco de gente está haciendo por traer mejores oportunidades a profesionales que deciden construir aquí... te invito a que aportes tus ideas a cualquier comunidad o con cualquier proyecto que muestre tus números y obtenga un resultado comparable al de dash Ccs, que son los únicos números y verdaderos planteamientos al foro.
     
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    Lol... @luisfrat explains to @Leogriz: that food and tee-shirt are deducted from wages,
    yet the proposal received $3750 for catering up to 600 people.
     
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    Allow me to post the google translate for rjjerez, because I think he makes a valuable contribution to the conversation:

    Hello everyone My name is Richard Jerez I am an entrepreneur in Los Teques, Venezuela, with more than 15 years of experience. In these moments I organize to the community of dash Los teques. I follow very closely the events of dash caracas, as an entrepreneur and listener. With propriety, I can say that organizing events of such magnitude deserves strong applause. Since there are many variables together. Pretending to question such a noble project is really low and comes more from an internal collaborator. As we say here, the rags should be washed at home and not outdoors, because I do not treat that dissatisfaction internally, before installing it in a forum?

    People think that in Venezuela the benefits of exchange control, when budgets are in dollars, but that was before, now services and products are charged more expensive than abroad, this is due to the problem of inflation, and does not know what is the currency exchanged Therefore, to meet an initial budget is quite complicated and in many cases even impossible, rather it is necessary to reconsider and adjust it.

    There is no doubt that the objectives were achieved and that the funds were used well, asking for an invoice of what is spent is an insult, since we know that many services do not have support. Maybe it could affect the variation of the DASH price, since it was surely hired at a price in bolivars that at the time of payment had less availability. I think the most logical thing is to ignore and continue with this hard work. @ algodon.franelas we are with you!
     
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    I am looking at the comments in this thread; I think budget items cannot be evaluated as separate or particular items. Each item of the budget includes thousands of things that at first sight cannot be observed. Elements that sometimes cannot even be easily quantified.

    The management is measured with the results, and all are visible.

    Dash Maracay is an example of the effort made by Eugenia, ours community is being developed thanks to the support received by the entire Dash Venezuela team. Soon we will have our first big event, and everything aims to be an absolute success.

    Eugenia is a creative person, who has designed an efficient marketing structure, under an innovative scheme that allows free access to information without discrimination.

    Eugenia keeps going ... you have all our support
     
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    Gracias a @solarguy por la traducción. Ahora quiero responderle a @rjjerez

    Primero que nada, quiero felicitarte por ser emprendedor y ser parte de la comunidad de Dash Los Teques y quiero aclarar que no estamos en contra de estos proyectos, apoyamos estos proyectos y queremos que sigan sucediendo. Sabemos que realizar un evento de tal magnitud no es una tarea fácil y que es necesaria de más de una persona para poder realizar este tipo de eventos, pero qué sucede? Hay ciertos detalles en los presupuestos, que se están pidiendo, que parecen no encajar y hemos dado evidencias de que hay fallas en los presupuestos.

    Yo formo parte de Dash Caracas, por lo cual, todo lo que he leído de parte de @julia gonzalez , @alepiño y @luisfrat me parece totalmente acertado. ¿Por qué no se habla de esto directamente? Hay riesgos. Todos sabemos la crisis por la cual se está pasando en Venezuela y muchos de los involucrados necesitan de este trabajo actualmente, además últimamente han habido ciertos despidos de facilitadores que han ocurrido de manera injusta. Aparte, este es un espacio libre que fue creado para hablar, para comunicarse, presentar quejas y/o recomendaciones y que los masternodos también puedan formar parte y tomar acción, debido a que es gracias a ellos que se pueden llevar a cabo todos estos eventos, así que es necesario que ellos sepan lo que está ocurriendo.

    Cuando ocurre este tipo de situaciones, es mejor hablar de números y dar evidencia de eso, eso es lo que se está haciendo, por ello es necesario que, como se habla de números, se presenten también facturas ya que conocemos que todos los servicios que han reclutado Dash Caracas, son servicios de trabajadores formales y cada uno de ellos entrega una factura y más en este tipo de eventos que, como usted dice, tienen tanta magnitud y todas las transacciones/pagos están registrados. Vivimos en una era digital en la cual todos los gastos,pagos,cobros se ven reflejados en un registro y sabiendo que cuentan con un contador, que fue mencionado anteriormente, esta persona esta consciente de que hay registros de todas las transacciones que se utilizan para poder calcular los balances.

    La finalidad de todo esto es hallar la verdad, que se hagan los ajustes en el presupuesto para que todo el dinero, que los masternodos dan, sea utilizado y aprovechado de la mejor manera posible y de la forma más justa posible para que se continúen realizando estos eventos, ya que forman parte del desarrollo y le dan una oportunidad a nuestro país.

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    Thanks to @solarguy for the translation. Now I want to reply to @rjjerez

    First of all, I want to congratulate you for being an entrepreneur and being part of the community of Dash Los Teques and I want to clarify that we are not against these projects, we support these projects and we want them to continue happening. We know that carrying out an event of such magnitude is not an easy task and that it's necessary more than one person to be able to carry out this type of event, but what's going on? There are certain details in the budgets, which are being asked for, that do not seem to fit and we have been giving evidence that there are flaws in the budgets.

    I am part of Dash Caracas, for which, everything I have read from @julia gonzalez, @ alepiño and @luisfrat seems to me to be totally right. Why we don't talk about this directly? There are risks. We all know the crisis that is happening in Venezuela and many of the people involved (That are writing against Dash Ccs) need this work now, and lately there have been certain dismissals of facilitators that have happened unfairly. Besides, this is a free space that was created to talk, to communicate, present complaints and / or recommendations, solutions and so, that the masternodes can also take part and action, because it's thanks to them that all these events can be carried out , so it's necessary that they know what's happening.

    When this type of situation occurs, it is better to talk about numbers and give evidence of that, that is what we have been doing and for this reason it's necessary that, as we are talking about numbers, invoices need to be also presented, since we know that all the services Dash Caracas have recruited are formal services and each one of them delivers an invoice (And more in this type of events that, as you say, have such magnitude). Also, we all know that the transactions / payments are registered. We live in a digital age in which all expenses, payments, collections, etc are reflected in a register and knowing that they have an accountant, who has been mentioned previously, this person is aware that there are records of all the transactions needed to calculate the balances.

    The purpose of all this is to find the truth, to make the necessary adjustments in the budgets so that all the money, which the masternodes give, can be used in the best way and in the fairest way
    possible to continue doing these events, since they are part of the development and they give our country an opportunity.

    @tungfa @unchained
     
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    Hola @pedro sandoval, en ningún momento dije que no entendiera ingles, solo que era muy malo redactando en ingles y que capaz mi mensaje no llegara, así que por eso escribí en español. Tu actitud agresiva hacia a mi da mucho que pensar, esto da una mala imagen de los involucrados en Dash Caracas, yo simplemente realice una serie de preguntas y acotaciones, ya que los argumentos de @luisfrat fueron buenos, poniendo en duda todo lo que pensaba de Dash Caracas y claramente le estas dando la razón tomando tu actitud pidiendo que todo se mantenga a puerta cerrada, no entiendo el misterio que hay con todo esto. En el caso de los presupuestos no los manejo, solo pude ver el que se coloco aquí, que a mi parecer si fue bastante excesivo, ya que estuve presente en ambos eventos de Dash Caracas y si pongo en duda el costo de todo lo que se maneja ahí.

    No quería involucrarme directamente en esto, pero me diste las razones para ello, ya se porque estos jovenes están reclamando de abusos laborales y tienen miedo de presentar sus casos, parece que la srta. @julia gonzalez tiene razón.
    revisando detalladamente pude ver lo siguiente con lo que recibí los días de los eventos el 17/11/2017 recibi 0.0238 y en el evento de diciembre 16/12/2017 me dieron 0.0122 y una recarga de 0.0123 dando un total ese dia de 0.0245, pueden comprobar que estas fechas que salen en el screenshot que mostrare si son los días de los eventos y puedo mandar mas pruebas de que estuve ahí si es necesario.

    aquí realizare unos cálculos bien explicados para demostrar el excedente.

    X=giveaways por persona noviembre=0.0238 Dash
    Y=giveaways por persona diciembre=0.0122 Dash
    Z=giveaways recarga por persona diciembre=0.0123 Dash
    T=total evento diciembre(y+z)=0.0245 Dash
    Q1=cantidad de participantes del evento de noviembre)=600 personas
    Q2=cantidad de participantes del evento de diciembre)=600 personas
    K=giveaways noviembre=19.33 Dash
    L=giveaways diciembre=19.33 Dash
    H=total giveaways dadas en noviembre=14.28 Dash
    J=total giveaways dadas en diciembre=14.7 Dash
    F=excedente de noviembre=5.05 Dash
    V=excedente de diciembre=4.63 Dash
    S=total excendente noviembre y diciembre=?

    (x*Q1)=14.28 total giveaways noviembre(H)

    (T*Q2)=14.7 total giveaway dieciembre(J)

    (K-H)=5.05 excendente de noviembre(F)

    (L-J)=4.63 excendente de diciembre(V)

    H-F)+(J-V)=S


    S=9.68 Dash


    como pueden ver, sobro dinero en otro lugar, así que sus argumentos no están siendo muy aclaratorios por esos es necesaria la demostración de todos los pagos y que se realizo con dicho excedente.

    @JPGil disculpa la molestia, pero sera que podrías traducir este también, muchas gracias por hacerlo con el anterior!

    @tungfa @unchained



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    @alepiño amigo si se sintio ofendido pues lo lamento... la idea fue tratar de ser lo mas coloquial de un venezolano a otro.

    Vuelvo y repito como ya te lo informe, si tu puedes hacer esos eventos que arrojen los mismos resultados, de la misma calidad y con un presupuesto menor te invito a que organices tu equipo de trabajo y pongas manos a la obra.... estamos a la orden ante cualquier ayuda que necesites.

    de lo contrario calladito se ve mas bonito y colabora mas.
     
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    For our partner @pedro sandoval here is the translation of @alepiño 's message.

    "Hi @pedro sandoval, I had never said that I didn't understand English, I said that I was very bad WRITING in English and that my message could not be understood, that's why I wrote in Spanish. Your aggressive attitude toward me gives a lot to think about, this gives a bad image of those involved in Dash Caracas. I just made a series of questions and comments, since the arguments of @luisfrat were really good, questioning everything I thought of Dash Caracas, and clearly you are giving the reason taking that attitude and demanding that everything should be kept behind closed doors. I don't understand the mystery that there is with all this. In the case of budgets, I do not manage them, I could only see the one that were placed here, which in my opinion were quite excessive, since I was present in both events and I still question the cost of everything that is handled there.

    I didn't wanted to be directly involved in this, but you gave me the reasons for that, I now know why these young people are complaining about labor abuses and they are afraid to present their cases, it seems that Ms. @julia gonzalez is right.

    Reviewing in detail what I could see here and following what I received the days of the events, the 11/17/2017 I received 0.0238 and in December 16/12/2017 they gave me 0.0122 and a recharge of 0.0123 that give us a total that day of 0.0245. You can check that these dates that appear in the screenshot that I will show, are the days of the events and I can send more proof that I was there if it's necessary.

    Here I will perform some well-explained calculations to prove the surplus.

    X=giveaways per person, November =0.0238 Dash
    Y=giveaways per person, December =0.0122 Dash
    Z=giveaways recharge per person December =0.0123 Dash
    T=total event December(y+z)=0.0245 Dash
    Q1= number of participants of the November event)=600 personas
    Q2= number of participants of the December event)=600 personas
    K=giveaways November=19.33 Dash
    L=giveaways December =19.33 Dash
    H=total giveaways given in November=14.28 Dash
    J=total giveaways given in December =14.7 Dash
    F=Surplus of November=5.05 Dash
    V=Surplus of December=4.63 Dash
    S=total surplus November and December=?

    (x*Q1)=14.28 total giveaways November(H)

    (T*Q2)=14.7 total giveaway December(J)

    (K-H)=5.05 Surplus of November(F)

    (L-J)=4.63 Surplus of December(V)

    H-F)+(J-V)=S


    S=9.68 Dash

    As you can see, there was money left over in another place, so their arguments are not being very clarifying, for these reasons it's necessary to show all the payments and what was done with that surplus. "

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  23. pedro sandoval

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    @JPGil @alepiño yo no trabajo con Dash CCS (eso si muestra sus verdaderas intenciones de perjudicar al equipo de trabajo asumiendo cosas)
    I dont work whit DASH CSS (that realy shows you guys intentions of jeopardise the team work made by DASH CCS asuming things that are not true)

    far form that, i got to know dash part thanks to that
     
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    Primero, usted tomó una actitud agresiva ante los comentarios anteriormente realizados, defendiendo la posición de Dash y dando una gran cantidad de argumentos que dan a pensar como si conociera toda la logística y el equipo de Dash muy bien, ahora vemos que está dando argumentos que no tienen base ya que no maneja la información como alguien que si está trabajando en Dash.

    Segundo, yo si trabajo con Dash y lo que hice fue traducir el comentario de @alepiño (Persona que no escribe en inglés pero claramente si lee y que no trabaja en Dash como él mismo mencionó) que usted agredió sin justificación alguna. No buscamos agredir a nadie, ni que alguien se ponga a la defensiva, las evidencias hablan por sí solas y claramente también ponen en duda el uso del dinero que piden y queda sobrando de los presupuestos.

    Para concluir, nosotros no queremos perjudicar a nadie, lo que se busca es dar evidencias concisas,aclarar y que los masternodos o el mismo equipo de dash, rectifiquen y tomen las respectivas acciones para lo que está sucediendo, de tal forma tanto el equipo de Dash, como los emprendedores y las personas que asisten a los eventos, se verán beneficiados de una mejor manera.

    @pedro sandoval
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    First, you took an aggressive attitude to the comments made previously, defending Dash's position and giving a lot of arguments that make us think as if you knew all the logistics and the Dash team very well, now we see that you are giving arguments that They have no basis since they don't handle the information as someone who is working in Dash.

    Second, I work with Dash and what I did was translate the comment of @alepiño (Person who does not write in English but clearly he reads , and does not work in Dash as he himself mentioned) that you assaulted without any justification. We do not seek to assault anyone, or make someone get on a defensive attitude, the evidence speaks for itself and clearly also make us question the use of money they ask for and the left over from the budgets.

    To conclude, we do not want to harm anyone, what we are trying to do is to provide concise evidence, clarify and that the masternodes, or the same Dash team, rectify and take the respective actions for what is happening, so in that way the team of Dash, the entrepreneurs and the people attending to the events, will get benefits in a better way.
     
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    I'm a little impressed with the subject, our team we worked a few months ago, inspired by the great work that Eugenia Alcalá does with her team and we delivered 100% without receiving anything in return, motivated by an exciting task that represents for us the construction of a Dash Nation.
    See that you will receive a petty attack without taking into account that you have been frontal and honest, Eugenia shows her face to the responsibility, the people of her staff have a face and is accused of committing anonymity, it is a deliberately destructive act.
    Days of dedication, the work we do during weeks and events of this magnitude, in addition all the meetings and the preparatory meetings of these events in the main event among other commitments with the task, the results that can be quantified ten complain. Eugenia @algodon.franelas and that team that are 100% dedicated one month for this event that is seen in a day.
    Go the support of a community that grows thanks to that dream that you inject us @algodon.franelas .
     
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  26. Jahlexis Tafari Lugo

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    My name is Alexis Lugo. I am the IT Coordinator since the beggining of Dash Caracas and now Dash Venezuela.

    Every event that we make has his own technical issues, every event we grow about 30-45% attendees so the technical deploy is very difficult and differnt in each case.

    We are working with www.neocx.net to provide, not just a simply internet conection, but a complete wifi Infrastructure to ensure a real good experience. Concern to the connections of the attendees to wifi, is totally warranty, the access to the team is completly warranty to each and everyone of the members including the innovation team (juniors).

    If you need yo see any info or stadistic about that please write me to [email protected] and i Will help you in anything you need.

    Now, concern to the rest of this thread, i see a loop since a few day, because only asking about proof of something that is totally public, here in the forum, in Dash Central, in Discord, etc... Dash Venezuela is a transparent organization that offers many ways to growth into the blockchain ecosystem , showing a world of opportunities to many people not only for the team, but to everyone how wants to know how to to improve their economy. I speak for my self, because throw Dash I met a lot of people who just want to improve and help others. I work in several amazing Dash Project: All About Dash, CryptoLifeX, Dash Español, Criptoneros, Dash translators, and all thanks to that through Dash Venezuela I met this great community that only seeks to improve every day ...

    I invite you to come and talk with us directly, nothing will happen to you, as to write in this forum that your identity is hidden "because you are afraid for your safety". We are nothing of what you think, and as a proof we have the entire community that supports us for the transparency that we have always carried.

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  27. luisfrat

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    Hi all again, @pedro sandoval what @JPGil said is really true we aren't here to fight and to impose our point of view, we want everyone to see, that there are some inconsistencies in the budgets, with this we want everyone to take their conclusions and correct explanation of Dash Ccs, cause are the only ones that can clarfiy this.
    I not see the big problem of publicly showing how the money was spent, because Dash Caracas is not a private entity that needs to hide their accounts from the competition, Dash Caracas is actually a channel to propagate Dash as we know "the best cryptocurrency", opening their accounts to everyone would be a possitive effect because similar projects could be compared and become more efficient, on the other hand it is more attractive for an investor to know that trasury money is well used, wich gives them greater assurance that Dash can win value.

    I'm going to try to explain again the budget inconsistencies that i found and @alepiño , because it seems all get mixed, I used a budget from november and december to make it easier to spot, because in that months internet connection wasn't provided by a satellital provider and Dash prices wasn't falling too(it reached its highest prices in history in those 2 months), I posted my payments from november and december taked in a screenshot in wich you can crearly see she paid to me and my staff partners half of what she budgeted(I mentioned that I received the T shirt at the first event same as my partners, wich is the same used in all the events), I calculated this with the Dash price she estimated at the budget, if you calculate it with the Dash price of the date of november event looks worse(over the 400$) and worser with the price of the december event date(over 1000$). I didn't look at the giveaways because I didn't assist as a listener, but @alepiño shows the amounts of the giveaways with a screenshot of his wallet and make a calculation with the amount of participants to let us know the excedents in the budgets that doesn't seems to be used for making something bigger or better.

    @JGCMiner @unchained @tungfa
     
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    I would recommend you to make a detailed report of the irregularities you have noticed. I believe this space is for hearing each other and solve our differences we cannot bury the things we don't like. people should not forget the essence of crypto (FREEDOM) and freedom of speech is a very important one. Personally I've met Eugenia and I like how she get the things done. Dash Proposal Budgets shouldn't be stiffs due volatility. Stiffs should be the targets we propose unless said otherwise. What I've seen is that @algodon.franelas fulfill her promises.
     
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  29. algodon.franelas

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    Hello, everyone!


    You can read the full report Dash Watch has prepared from their investigation about the community concerns about our proposals, HERE.


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  30. Juan Baró

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    Estamos aqui para aportar como equipo y comunidad global de DASH y dash venezuela vengo a presentarme oficialmente para trabajar en el equipo de dash, sabemos que los presupuestos en Venezuela funcionan en otras realidades y la idea es fortalecer al equipo global y que la moneda crezca, tenemos proyectos para llegar a cientos de miles de personas y tenemos los equipos para hacerlo, queremos apoyarlos y que nos apoyen para hacer de Venezuela el primer pais en usar dash por completo y expandirlo a américa entera.

    Tenemos una empresa y aliados de la universidad, podemos colaborar para crecer, aquí está mi presentación, soy de VENEZUELA

    We are here to provide the team and the global community of DASH and dash venezuela I come to officially introduce myself to work in the dash team, we know that the budgets in Venezuela work in other realities and the idea is to strengthen the global team and that the currency grow , We have projects to reach hundreds of kilometers of people and we have teams to do it, we want to support them and help us to Venezuela. The first book to use dash completely and expand it to America.
    We have a company and allies of the university, we can collaborate to grow, here is my presentation, I'm from VENEZUELA

    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...tcorpve-com-dash-man-and-more-projects.38528/