Pre-Proposal: Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?

Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?


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demo

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Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
*yes 2 vote(s) 33.3%
no 4 vote(s) 66.7%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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demo

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if you need the third vote to start coding, I would rather have you code the vote by number (and take the median). Which instead is really important, and I am sure someone will use sooner or later.
I manage to compile PIVX successfully.
This is the first step in order to be able to do small changes and code the vote by numbers.
 
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Yet some other questions. (I am planning to write down a FAQ, so I put all questions asked here in this thread)
So have events for people put empty wallets in a box how do we prevent people from going to multiple events or going to the same event multiple times?
It is impossible for people to go to multiple events or go to the same event multiple times. Because all the events are closed door events, they happen the exact same time, and their proceedings are broadcasted in the internet with a camera. Additionally, just before the event ends and the doors open again, a web of trust among separate events is created and signed. All the attendees of all events share a common total amount of money (as basic income), so there is great incentive for the attendees of all events not to sign other events that are not appropriate.
The concurrency of events may have an exception, if we talk about events happen in separate continents (ex. Asia and America). In that case the events may happen in such a difference of time that it will be impossible for an individual to attend two events.

Are we looking for a list of dash users I see how bad actors can cause issues with this method more so the requiring 1000 dash being owned to vote.
Everyone is marked as individual (while remain anonymous). So the community knows the individuals, and can take measures against bad individual actors, in case they over do it.
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Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
*yes 2 vote(s) 25.0%
no 6 vote(s) 75.0%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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If there was a way to do this without compromising someones real world identity I don't see any down sides..Is this even possible though?
 

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If there was a way to do this without compromising someones real world identity I don't see any down sides..Is this even possible though?
I cannot think how it is possible to compromise someones real world identity using this system. Can you think a possible scenario?
 
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what you are suggesting isn't proof of individuality. At best its probable individuality.
 
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demo

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what you are suggesting isn't proof of individuality. At best its probable individuality.
For the people who attend the meeting it is definitely a proof of individuality.

For the external observers it may be a probable individuality, but the probabiliy increases in case the external observers are allowed to watch the procedure, or even better in case the external observers can send a trusted representative to attend the in question meeting.

So if you suspect that a meeting is fake or if you suspect that their attendes do not follow the correct procedures and protocols, then your meeting may elect a trusted representative and send him to attend the in question meeting, the next time the concurrent meetings will occur (normally every 2 or 4 years)
 
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Let me clarify also that the closed door meeting doesnt necessarily need to be a room.
It can be a closed door stadium with numbered seats positioned in such a way, that everyone could easily count and confirm how many the attendees are.

<vote history> <-- why vote history is usefull?
Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
*yes 4 vote(s) 40.0%
no 6 vote(s) 60.0%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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@Skatopia welcome to the yes club! :)
If you organize this type of proof of individuality in skatopia, do it early in the morning.
The attendees are supposed to count how many participated in the meeting and confirm the number.
Early in the morning not everyone is drunk in Skatopia, and this is good because the more drunk people you have, the more see double, thus the more count double, so the more people will continuously shout "objection" !:p

<vote history> <-- why vote history is usefull?
Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
*yes 5 vote(s) 41.7%
no 7 vote(s) 58.3%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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Still the bad actor can pay others to be thier shills. You say a universal dividend will protect this but how many people take out payday loans at insane rates to pay for stuff today giving up money in the future. It is a scary proposition that u make. I have been around crypto awhile watch coins come and go btc rocket then crash. I know people I bought coins from during the crash that want me to sell them back at the price I paid. I told them when I bought them they shouldnt sell them but many can't look past today to thier future.
 

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Still the bad actor can pay others to be thier shills. You say a universal dividend will protect this but how many people take out payday loans at insane rates to pay for stuff today giving up money in the future.
The guy who is the owner of several masternodes and wants to hide has to pay his puppets more than the universal dividend. Otherwise why the puppets to give them their wallet? Do you think you can find someone who can pay the people more than the universal dividend? I dont think so! And how many puppets can he pay? He has to be very very rich in order for his sybil attack to have a real impact, but if he so rich then in that case he owns the cryptocurrency anyway! Of course everything depends on how big the dividend is. Offering a decent dividend is not only a philanthropy, it is also a safety measure in order to prevent the coin for being compromised. And lets suppose that someone succeds in his sybil Attack and manages to buy many proof of individuality. What is the real impact? All his puppets will vote identicaly, so the statistics will still reveal that they are puppets! And he owns those proof of individuality not forever but until the next cryptoparty, which whenever it happens (for example after 2 years) will result in paying the puppets again.
but how many people take out payday loans at insane rates to pay for stuff today giving up money in the future.
An alternative universal dividend can be introduced, based not in fiat currency but in mutual credit.


It is a scary proposition that u make..
I think the current situation is scary, where stupids and spies are hidden behind anonymous masternodes and vote on their own benefit and against the benefit of the community.
 
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I'm not totally sold, but I like the overall idea...I think a proof of individuality that protects anonymity is also something I read someone was trying to work on for crypto, without real world meetings. But until something like that comes along (and I have no idea what that would entail, as a non-techie guy), this seems like both fun and useful. Just the kind of weird party Skatopia would love! :)

To be fair, I have no MN...so my vote isn't super relevant.
 

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I'm not totally sold, but I like the overall idea...I think a proof of individuality that protects anonymity is also something I read someone was trying to work on for crypto, without real world meetings. But until something like that comes along (and I have no idea what that would entail, as a non-techie guy), this seems like both fun and useful. Just the kind of weird party Skatopia would love! :)
Furthermore a proof of individuality that respects anonymity , may protect us also from receiving the mark of the beast on our right hand or on our forehead.:p


Is the translation of this video accurate? @UdjinM6 may confirm the correct translation.
Whatever they are saying, the way the "possessed" women are acting is impressive.

 
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It is important to inform the community about the new message posts, but it is 1000000 times more important to inform the community about the new votes.
The concept of the proof of individuality, after the attack of the DeepOnion bots in the forum, is a matter of life or death for the Dash community.
<vote history>
Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
*yes 7 vote(s) 38.9%
no 11 vote(s) 61.1%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?

*yes 8 vote(s) 38.1%
no 13 vote(s) 61.9%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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Would you like this proof of individuality to be implemented in Dash?
yes 9 vote(s) 36.0%
no 16 vote(s) 64.0%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
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Your cryptocurrency will not succeed, unless you adopt a proof of individuality implemented as follows:

individuality.jpg

After gaining their proof of individuality as above, people should vote for decisions, and not for persons.
 
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