Dash Core Team Accountability and Lack of Communication

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camosoul

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I guess Feb 5th we will find out the details...unless it gets postponed again.
The original 12.1 release date "suggestion" did not include the massive amount of changes that have been made. So lets not ignore that reality. If we did, we'd be losing our objectivity and might be (rightly) labeled trolls for it...

Oh, wait... Anyone who disagrees with the prevailing echo chamber agenda is a troll...
most of them are on vacation for weeks at a time.
I'm taking a 6 month vacation, and the scammers are going to pay me to go! I'm sooo butthurt! I'll be sure to post pictures...

Vote for that one, suckernodes...

This used to be a project that didn't care about the market cap. It was about progress. Now, @kot comes to us with prices in "reports," because that's all there is...

Who broke the vending machine? We now have a piece of wood that drops a water bottle without any clear demonstration that IX was involved. Anyone can monitor the memory pool in BTC or LTC or [insert shitcoin here] and drop a trap door when a payment shows up... That's not a cheap shot at those who are working with what they've got left... But to point out that so little of substance is left... This project has reduced itself tot he ponzi attitude of every other shitcoin.
 
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Yet more irrelevant dick swinging nonsense... You're really on a roll this morning.


P.S. Almost forgot to @camosoul you in... Don't want to miss that bit out after being called out for it here, you might start thinking that your ego is big enough to scare people into behaving like cowards. In your own head you might think you're some sort of Barry big bollocks but if you think anyone on here gives a shit you're sadly mistaken.
 
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camosoul

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I turned your setup around on you, and you still don't know it even after I gave you the link...

It might do you well to go read it before you go talking about egos and intimidation. You're buried in your own words. And I didn't do it to be the keyboard warrior you are, or even to "win" at anything. Just used you as a convenient example who happened to stick your neck out at just the time I needed it. A carbon copy of dozens of others here. All I had to do was wait, and there you were... Could have just as easilly been @tungfa, but he's stuck his foot in his mouth enough that he doesn't tangle with me anymore. Like so many others, he knows he's wrong and just doesn't care. Lying for ego is the game...

I'm certain nobody here cares. Did you even read it? There you go, trying to take a shot at me over something I've made pretty clear that I already know... You're so wrapped up in it you didn't even notice your silly attack was DOA. They're just a bunch of rubes too embarrassed to own it. Easier to kill the messenger, which you've proven to be a prime example... Again.

The only one swinging a dick here is you trying to twist and lie to win some keyboard warrior contest.

How many times you going to step on your own dick thinking it's someone else's? I don't think I could have asked for a better example to step up to the plate...

Congratulations!
 
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stan.distortion

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I'm seeing a lot of bitching but nothing much on how the governance system can be improved. Camo said "several vastly superior alternatives", such as...? It's obvious improvements can be made but complaining about the symptoms does nothing about fixing the problems.
 

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I'm seeing a lot of bitching but nothing much on how the governance system can be improved. Camo said "several vastly superior alternatives", such as...? It's obvious improvements can be made but complaining about the symptoms does nothing about fixing the problems.
Read my signature. Here it is, the vastly superior alternative.
 

David

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stan.distortion said:
so in the absence of a better alternative

Well, for starters if everyone in core individually submitted proposals, a few people would be fired by blockchain and the cover-ups and corruption might stop. Why are there 17 people getting paid peanuts when most of them are on vacation for weeks at a time. Just pay the few people that actually do the work and get the code done.
@Solarminer ... Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? As I recall, the Dash Network paid you a significant amount of money to create and run a Slack channel which you subsequently privatized and attempted to sell. If you want to talk about corruption, we can start with that.

Back to the subject at hand: @babygiraffe @Minotaur thank you for creating the proposal follow-up forum. This will go a very long way!
 

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@Solarminer ... Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? As I recall, the Dash Network paid you a significant amount of money to create and run a Slack channel which you subsequently privatized and attempted to sell. If you want to talk about corruption, we can start with that.

Back to the subject at hand: @babygiraffe @Minotaur thank you for creating the proposal follow-up forum. This will go a very long way!
@David DashChat was created for the Dash community and was paid less than Tungfa was getting(hardly significant). We first offered to sell the slack to core(Ryan) for any price. He no bid the slack. I would think someone getting $1100 each month would be able to remember things better. Or at least act professionally and not make things up.

It looks like Yidakee was fired from the core team, since he wasn't paid after August. The first trimming of the fat. That should have been publicly mentioned as a positive for Dash since he was very hard on several "concern trolls" and negative on the forums. Now I understand why he wasn't around for the last 4 months to pay the liquidity providers.
 

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It looks like Yidakee was fired from the core team, since he wasn't paid after August. The first trimming of the fat. That should have been publicly mentioned as a positive for Dash since he was very hard on several "concern trolls" and negative on the forums. Now I understand why he wasn't around for the last 4 months to pay the liquidity providers.
And I was wondering what happened to @yidakee. The Yidakee case is characteristic of what paid people are doing here in this forum, and how their behavior changes whenever they stop getting money.

Any objective observer should investigate Yidakee's comments and rates, in order to understand the tactics of the paid employees. The past of Yidakee explains the present and the future of the behavior of the paid employees.
 
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At least you're willing to admit that you're a crook. I guess that's a start.
LOL. Yeah, totally a crook for wasting so much time helping to build the DashChat to 1000 members and offering to the core team first, at the same time bringing in apple developers, bounties, and even helping a few users get a Dash N Drink setup in Canada. Whatever, real effort isn't recognized.

Spreading fud about other members that have put a big effort into Dash is just a sign that the Dash ecosystem is failing.
 

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LOL. Yeah, totally a crook for wasting so much time helping to build the DashChat to 1000 members and offering to the core team first, at the same time bringing in apple developers, bounties, and even helping a few users get a Dash N Drink setup in Canada. Whatever, real effort isn't recognized.

Spreading fud about other members that have put a big effort into Dash is just a sign that the Dash ecosystem is failing.
I think you accomplished quite a lot with the dash slack and delivered on the payouts. The offer to sell the slack to the community for over 1000 dash though was pure bullshit, regardless of whatever you offered to Ryan :)
 

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I think you accomplished quite a lot with the dash slack and delivered on the payouts. The offer to sell the slack to the community for over 1000 dash though was pure bullshit, regardless of whatever you offered to Ryan :)
Thanks Troydash. We didn't give a price to core - just asked for an open bid. And really if they offered any amount we probably would have taken it to keep the slack in the Dash community.

In sales, the amount is relative....the forum was purchased for $7500. Was that a BS number? There is nothing wrong with asking for a price you want....knowing that it is the start of a negotiation.
 

stan.distortion

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Ok, there's a disagreement and there are a fair number of different aspects to it that relate to governance, how can any of them be avoided through improvements to the governance system? Not an easy problem, there are limited resources to throw at it, testing can only really be done in a live environment, complicated solutions are asking for trouble so everything needs be clear and straightforward... god only knows how many different aspects there are to the problem. I've not read up on governance objects yet but they're almost live and they're an essential first step, things specific rules and criteria can be written for and tested out on a per-proposal basis.
 

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LOL. Yeah, totally a crook for wasting so much time helping to build the DashChat to 1000 members and offering to the core team first, at the same time bringing in apple developers, bounties, and even helping a few users get a Dash N Drink setup in Canada. Whatever, real effort isn't recognized.

Spreading fud about other members that have put a big effort into Dash is just a sign that the Dash ecosystem is failing.
Which part is FUD? That DashChat rightly belongs to the Network, or that you tried to sell it? You freely admit to both...

I'm glad you've done great things with Dash n Drink, but fail to see how that is relevant to your attempted selling (and ultimate confiscation) of a Network-owned asset.
 

Solarminer

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Which part is FUD? That DashChat rightly belongs to the Network, or that you tried to sell it? You freely admit to both...

I'm glad you've done great things with Dash n Drink, but fail to see how that is relevant to your attempted selling (and ultimate confiscation) of a Network-owned asset.
Did you take a class on misinformation?

DashChat was owned privately before it got any funding from Dash. All the Dash went to activities that increased the exposure for Dash. There was never a contract to "Buy" DashChat with rewards. Do you expect to keep a rental car after you pay 2 days to rent it? Does the rental agency confiscate their car back after your rental is over?

Maybe if you say the same thing over and over it will be true....but I doubt it. It does make you look insane though.
 

Solarminer

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Ok, there's a disagreement and there are a fair number of different aspects to it that relate to governance, how can any of them be avoided through improvements to the governance system? Not an easy problem, there are limited resources to throw at it, testing can only really be done in a live environment, complicated solutions are asking for trouble so everything needs be clear and straightforward... god only knows how many different aspects there are to the problem. I've not read up on governance objects yet but they're almost live and they're an essential first step, things specific rules and criteria can be written for and tested out on a per-proposal basis.
I have been asking for a list of changes in 12.1. Supposedly, Dash will have a programmable budget. It would be smart for Dash to advertise this. But the key is the talk about voting for a program manager that is supposedly smart and honest enough to figure out what projects deserve payments without bribes and based on filling in boxes on some sort of complicated report format.
 

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I still sense a lot of frustration in this thread from certain people from a certain budget proposal that did not pass by the Masternode network largely due to its budget owners inflexibility to adjust its budget proposal conditions and the outlash that followed when we found out that the DashChat got converted over night from a Dash focussed chat medium to an altcoins focussed chat.

I think the project updates that most likely happened due to the creation of this thread is a good start
and something to build from.

Edit : some heavy editing, sorry about that.
 
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stan.distortion

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I have been asking for a list of changes in 12.1. Supposedly, Dash will have a programmable budget. It would be smart for Dash to advertise this. But the key is the talk about voting for a program manager that is supposedly smart and honest enough to figure out what projects deserve payments without bribes and based on filling in boxes on some sort of complicated report format.
No way I'd support anything like that, even Gandhi wouldn't be trusted to do it and only the stupid or corrupt would take such a thankless job. Maybe something like voting as a kind of jury duty as a stop gap measure but the more that can be done automatically and without human intervention in a DAO the better.
 

Walter

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I turned your setup around on you, and you still don't know it even after I gave you the link...

It might do you well to go read it before you go talking about egos and intimidation. You're buried in your own words. And I didn't do it to be the keyboard warrior you are, or even to "win" at anything. Just used you as a convenient example who happened to stick your neck out at just the time I needed it. A carbon copy of dozens of others here. All I had to do was wait, and there you were... Could have just as easilly been @tungfa, but he's stuck his foot in his mouth enough that he doesn't tangle with me anymore. Like so many others, he knows he's wrong and just doesn't care. Lying for ego is the game...

I'm certain nobody here cares. Did you even read it? There you go, trying to take a shot at me over something I've made pretty clear that I already know... You're so wrapped up in it you didn't even notice your silly attack was DOA. They're just a bunch of rubes too embarrassed to own it. Easier to kill the messenger, which you've proven to be a prime example... Again.

The only one swinging a dick here is you trying to twist and lie to win some keyboard warrior contest.

How many times you going to step on your own dick thinking it's someone else's? I don't think I could have asked for a better example to step up to the plate...

Congratulations!
The more you talk in riddles, the less anybody understands what you're on about, and frankly it gets to the point where nobody cares... The only person in an echo chamber around here is you, yet you don't see it.

Keep up the Walter Mitty act fella, you're doing a great job...!

Oh, nearly forgot... @camosoul
 
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