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Budget Proposal - Vendor-Experience UPDATED

I can imagine how this goes.... a couple of years down the line, a new business will appear, it will have a truck full of contacts and experience, it will be making a profit, and all thanks to financing from the dash budget.

What's wrong with that? May they all get rich and famous!

I prefer having a business build with Dash over having no business at all.
A well known company will be better advertising than we ever could pay from the blockchain.

The only important point is that they make their developments open source so the community can use it and build on it for further projects.
 
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G2G, but look up enlightened self interest. I'm claiming that the team would do what is best for Dash because that is also what is best for themselves.
 
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I believe he said he was on-board with the idea of them creating a company and profiting later on as long as they share the profits with the Dash foundation, since Dash is basically giving them the seed funding.

I can guarantee you that forming a company is the furthest thing from their minds. This is a research and development project that will open source code and mechanical specs. If he wants to submit an identical proposal with the added feature of creating a for-profit company kicking back money in the future, I say go for it.

The reason Solar is going through this excruciating effort is that he wants to see DASH succeed.
 
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I believe he said he was on-board with the idea of them creating a company and profiting later on as long as they share the profits with the Dash foundation, since Dash is basically giving them the seed funding.

Yes, exactly that. There's no point someone arguing that profit is the furtherest from their mind because if that was so, they'd expend their own money (which they have) and energy fully believing in dash and it's core principles.

I wish them the best of luck with the project, truly, but I see absolutely no reason why we should be funding their failures and then watch them take 100% of the profit when it eventually comes... and it will right? - otherwise, why are we doing this? And if there's no ulterior motive then there's no reason not to agree to such terms, it just simply wouldn't affect them.
 
They can profit from it - why not? - they can take the larger share, 60%, to keep them motivated... but it's not for profit so this clause wouldn't bother them.
 
Just vote it down. Too much with lies, drama, and slander. The point is that this is a tough job that won't have overnight results.

Power has gone to the heads of those who have never had this kind of money at their disposal. Its a power trip.

I made more money last month on my own than this whole month's budget, and I completely neglected my company. I have no need for it. Its peanuts. Get it? I made more money without even trying than the masternodes could give me. Yet I am accused of wanting to steal your duffs...

As if it would be so terrible if Dash proved to be useful and profitable in the real world. God forbid!

These swollen heads need to be knocked down a few notches. Your budget just isn't that special. The very same people who vote for a $16/hr minimum wage are telling pioneering businessmen with decades of success and experience that they aren't worth $8/hr. Its nothing but socialist vengeance backed by arguments that make no sense, and when exposed, resort to direct lies and slander.

I wanted to see if the community had the insight and balls to make the big calls. It doesn't. This isn't an insult, its a fact. Not sorry if facts make you mad/sad or decide to be offended to bully people...

Got distracted by a box that had nothing to do with the point of the project. Hate on boobs. Made up lies about an imaginary business that isn't worth persuing in the first place, as if it would be so terrible for dash to actually be useful in the real world... Doesn't understand its own voting system, attempts to misrepresent it, then resorts to the same old slander and lies when exposed...

Silly brats can't be depended upon. That's just how it is. Its like 3500 dogs driving a bus that can't decide on the particular way they'd like to crash it. I cannot in good conscience recommend something with that sort if leadership as an income stream conduit to another business. I can't, even if I wanted to, put it on my own website! So obsessed with the user experience, there exists no means for a vendor to use it even when he wants to! How long has IX been around? And you have this much trouble with the first and only proposal that would promote it and make it useful?

If we developed a no-middle-man online payment gateway, and I used it, what accusations would arise then? Using my own company as a guinea pig for development, but slapped in the face and told I better give all my company's profits back to the communists just because I dared use the very tool I was supposed to create?

This is why real business, and grown-ups in general, don't take crypto seriously; and never will. You expect that stigma to be overcome in 30 days? 90 days? 180 days? It took 8 years to build those walls. If I don't undo it all, even as you're still building them higher, on some tight schedule? Forget all the tech and development needed. Just this stigma alone, which you're still reinforcing as best you can... And I snap my fingers and make it all go away in 30 days or you yank funding? Setting me up for failure. Not falling for that trap. Its not even a risk or a gamble. That's plain stupid.

Dash needs this. I don't. You want to keep shooting yourselves in the foot, you can do it without setting me up to take the fall for your own shortsightedness and lack of testicular fortitude. Your entire monthly budget just isn't that big of a deal. You're not that big of a deal. You could be, but you're not.
 
It seems many people talking in this thread have already forgotten the goal of this proposal:

"The goal is to create the software and hardware to easily interface with a wide variety of products."

This is something valuable to the whole community, not just them, and something that has not gotten much attention yet. With open source licensing the software and hardware they create will be able to be used by everyone. If you think this is an area that needs effort now and believe in the group proposing to do the work then vote yes.

Most of this discussion is useless and not related to the work that is proposed, stop cluttering this thread please.
 
All I can say, f?ck the community because we're just communist dogs anyway. Doesn't need our measly budget anyway, wants to do it for the love a distributed dream that cuts out the middlemen... so do it. Doesn't need my consent or anyone elses.
 
All I can say, f?ck the community because we're just communist dogs anyway. Doesn't need our measly budget anyway, wants to do it for the love a distributed dream that cuts out the middlemen... so do it. Doesn't need my consent or anyone elses.
Exactly. If Camo is so rich and successful and wants to do it because he's so into it, then by all means do it but without asking for our "communist" money. He should do it with his own money if that's such a trivial amount to him. When you are asking for money accountability is expected, especially for an 8 year long project.

He is insulting the people he wants to get money from. I highly doubt this approach will win the hearts and minds of many merchants.
 
So just vote NO with your nodes and quit filling up this thread with misdirection and dribble.
I know you are also one of the people involved in this project but that's not a constructive way to discuss things, to just tell people to bugger off unless they say what you want to hear.
 
I know you are also one of the people involved in this project but that's not a constructive way to discuss things, to just tell people to bugger off unless they say what you want to hear.

Wrong. I was involved in the Dash N Drink soda machine demo, but I am NOT involved in this proposal. I do not possess the skills in electronics, C++, mechanical, etc to be a valuable member. I will not be shy about expressing my opinion, but I have no place in this development. I want to see merchant adoption of DASH because I want DASH to succeed. Do you want DASH to succeed? How are you going to make that happen?
 
The only question you must ask to yourself :

Do you want to make this possible:
"The goal is to create the software and hardware to easily interface with a wide variety of products."

If you answer yes to this question, then vote Yes.

If you believe this is the only question, then just throw your money away to anyone who promises you anything.

I want to create the software and hardware to easily interface with a wide variety of products and some pink unicorns on top. Now give me your money and don't worry about the details.
 
If you believe this is the only question, then just throw your money away to anyone who promises you anything.

I want to create the software and hardware to easily interface with a wide variety of products and some pink unicorns on top. Now give me your money and don't worry about the details.
Who's money is it?
 
don't worry about the details.

Plenty of details posted in all 3 venues. Proof Of Concept successfully demonstrated in Miami. At this point, you are simply spreading fear uncertainty and doubt.

Please stop posting unless you have something constructive to add.
 
If you believe this is the only question, then just throw your money away to anyone who promises you anything.

I want to create the software and hardware to easily interface with a wide variety of products and some pink unicorns on top. Now give me your money and don't worry about the details.

It's not MY money, and yes I got faith in them, as said they already made something successful.
Did people talked more about evolution or Dash N Drink during the Miami conference?

Edit : we are not sure it'll be 100% success but at least we can say at the end : at least they (we) tried.

Edit2: Nobody move, nobody get hurt!
 
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In relation to the actual topic I have one suggestion to keep in mind. For any hardware designs please put them under an appropriate hardware open source license. GPL or other common software licenses do not exactly apply to the hardware world. Something like OSHW is more applicable http://www.oshwa.org/

Additionally please make sure to provide the schematics, pcb layouts or other design files in a format people can easily work with in common software such as Eagle not something that is a pain like PDF.
 
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