Donating DASH from the budget to the Venezuelan people

[ScioMind]

It is sad that a child should live like this. It is pathetic that you would stoop to exploit a child's suffering in an effort to deflect your own guilt. It is pathetic that you feel the need to hijack a thread, such as this, which could actually serve to improve the conditions of countless people (in this case the people of Venezuela) including children, in your sad attempts to tear down Dash. Your actions are truly disgusting and despicable...and everyone here can now see it.

 

[demo]

It is sad that a child should live like this.

Pure hypocrisy.

You, the old greedy (gold, fiat, bitcoin, dash) generation, you are the cause of the suffering of this child. Stop pretending you are innocent, stop pretending you are sad. You have caused this suffering, and deep inside your filthy soul, I can see the demon smiling.

The brainwashed slaves (like you) consider money as a religion and/or as a property issued by kings, priests, presidents or satoshis. But for the free persons money is not a property, it is yet another social convention, a social contract. The new generation should obviously be considered as one of the contracting parties. Give to the children and to the new generation the money they are entitled to, as the world citizens of the future, and give it now!

 

[ScioMind]

Pure hypocrisy.

You are the hypocrite, and you can no longer hide.

You, the old greedy (gold, fiat, bitcoin, dash) generation, you are the cause of the suffering of this child. Stop pretending you are innocent, stop pretending you are sad. You have caused this suffering, and deep inside your filthy soul, I can see the demon smiling.

Again, nonsense.

The brainwashed slaves (like you) consider money as a religion and/or as a property issued by kings, priests, presidents or satoshis. But for the free persons money is not a property, it is yet another social convention, a social contract. The new generation should obviously be considered as one of the contracting parties. Give to the children and to the new generation the money they are entitled to, as the world citizens of the future, and give it now!

I DO consider money to be property. For example, I see YOUR money as YOUR money, and would never try to take it from you by fraud, force, or coercion. But then again, I am moral, unlike you -- and now everyone can see you for what you are.

And while money IS property, I also agree that its USE should be voluntary, or a "social contract" as you have said. I also believe that it is in the interest of the Venezuelan people to use Dash voluntarily, as individuals and not through any sort of coercion:

How will Dash (or any other cryptocoin) arrive in the hands of the Venezuelan people? Well, mostly they will simply BUY Dash with their hyper-inflated fiat currency. Many of the really smart ones have already done so, and will probably continue to do so, and their example will certainly influence others to do so. Of course, because their fiat IS hyper-inflated they will be able to buy less crypto today than they could yesterday, but more than they would be able to tomorrow. Buying crypto (or gold, for that matter, or ANY other "scarce collectible item") which maintains its value much better than hyperinflationary Venezuelan fiat would therefore be a fantastic hedge against inflation, and would actually serve to counteract it.

Let's say someone in Venezuela buys enough Dash for a loaf of bread. Tomorrow, if they had kept their fiat, inflation would have made that loaf cost more in terms of fiat - but they would find that the Dash they bought is still enough for the loaf. Buying Dash would be VERY wise for any Venezuelan at this time.

So, again, to answer your question of HOW the Venezuelans would acquire Dash: they would BUY it, just like I did.

My "retarded brain" (as you so unnecessarily and rudely put it - which says far more about YOU than me, by the way) has not been "brainwashed" in any way. That is why I, as an individual, without government assistance or charity, made the conscious choice to exchange my fiat money for Dash. I saw the value, and decided that in the long run Dash would be far more valuable to me and others than the fiat I paid for it. And I DON'T live in a hyperinflationary economy.

You are correct, however, when you assert that the name does not matter, but that the essence matters. But you do so in the context of comparing Dash (instant, anonymous, practically free transactions, plus an amazing development team which makes Dash extremely agile and adaptable as need be) with "stamps, or paintings of Van Gogh, or the underwears of Princess Diana or of Elvis Presley." If you see these things as "essentially equivalent," well...to put it nicely, perhaps you're a bit over your head here. (In reality, though, I suspect you aren't as foolish as you seem to be; your transparent anti-Dash agenda is simply indefensible and non-reality-based, and essentially forces you into ridiculous arguments and assertions. I actually wonder if you're being paid to sow discord here....)

And yes, the IP addresses of the Masternodes are public, and could be blocked by the Venezuelan government. But all that would do is temporarily prevent the instant and private features of Dash. The Venezuelan people running normal Dash nodes (i.e., not Masternodes) would still be able to communicate with other normal Dash nodes, and the currency could therefore still be exchanged, albeit a bit slower. Of course, it is rather trivial to run a VPN (Vritual Private Network) on one's computer or even one's phone, completely bypassing any attempts to block access to the Masternodes, meaning any such attempts would ultimately be ineffective and temporary at best.

Furthermore, what reason would there even be for the government to make such ineffective attempts? Despite political corruption, the citizens can vote for their president and all other politicians. It is a democratic republic. If the people want Dash enough (or any other crypto) then they will simply vote for politicians who support Dash. Besides, the increased financial health and stability which would be experienced by the citizens and the nation as a whole would certainly be viewed as positive by the government, and would help those in power (who support the use of Dash) to get reelected.

And I didn't say that Dash was "the" coin of the international community. I said it was "a" coin of the international community - and it IS. It's also, by the way, the BEST if one wants a coin for transacting in real-world brick-and-mortar stores. Using Dash "enslaves" (your word) no one: it frees them from the shackles of government fiat, and the very real world threat of out of control fiat printing and the ensuing inflation.

Lastly, your assertions regarding the "greedy Dash generation of 2014-2016" (as well as your sill avatar) are, again, simply designed to produce discord. ALL normal, healthy people want what is good for themselves and their loved ones, and that includes financial well-being. Anyone who had the foresight to take the very real RISK and purchase whatever amount of Dash they could afford in 2014-2016 wasn't being "greedy," they were simply looking after their own financial welfare, to the best of their ability. Good for them!

 

[demo]

I DO consider money to be property. For example, I see YOUR money as YOUR money, and would never try to take it from you by fraud, force, or coercion. But then again, I am moral, unlike you -- and now everyone can see you for what you are.

And while money IS property, I also agree that its USE should be voluntary, or a "social contract" as you have said. I also believe that it is in the interest of the Venezuelan people to use Dash voluntarily, as individuals and not through any sort of coercion:

And I see your money (and my money too), as a badge the community gave to us. This badge can be taken away (by community decision) at any time upon community needs, or as long as the one who received the badge betrays the community.

Furthermore someone GAVE me the dash I own, I didnt buy it using fiat money. So my money/badge worths more than yours.

 

[Dandy]

Riiiight... so if 51% of people vote to take away the money of the 49% of people, that is ok?

Luckily, cryptos have one basic advantage over fiat money. It can't be taken away by the likes of you.
That's what makes it valuable, among other things.

And please stop with the "you have money, so you must have stolen it from someone else" mantra. It's getting old.

 

[demo]

Riiiight... so if 51% of people vote to take away the money of the 49% of people, that is ok?

You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.

Luckily, cryptos have one basic advantage over fiat money. It can't be taken away by the likes of you.

Of course it cant be taken, but as long as you have no community to support and believe in your crypto-money, your crypto turns useless. Beware, because if no one supports you, then your crypto enters the testnet zone, and it is not taken seriously.

 

[ScioMind]

And I see your money (and my money too), as a badge the community gave to us. This badge can be taken away (by community decision) at any time upon community needs, or as long as the one who received the badge betrays the community.

Furthermore someone GAVE me the dash I own, I didnt buy it using fiat money. So my money/badge worths more than yours.

The right to acquire and keep one's property is fundamental to the proper operation of a free society. This is a fundamental right, not a privilege graciously granted to us by others. This is true of one's home, food, car, clothes, money, etc. Anyone who would argue that "society," or "the government," or a "king," or "politicians" can simply take away the private property of others is an immoral fool.

No one GAVE me the Dash I own, nor did they give me the money I used to buy it. I earned that money from hard work, and that hard work involved creating VALUE for others. Thus the Dash I own was likewise earned from hard work, and is a result of the fruits of my labor and the VALUE I created for others. If the fruits of my labor do not belong to me, then I am no better than a slave, and anyone who would argue for the enslavement of others is immoral and evil.

You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.

Of course it cant be taken, but as long as you have no community to support and believe in your crypto-money, your crypto turns useless. Beware, because if no one supports you, then your crypto enters the testnet zone, and it is not taken seriously.

Whether or not 51% of the servers COULD steal the money of others is not the issue. After all, any group of immoral thugs COULD hold me up at gunpoint and steal from me, but that does not make it right...it makes it IMMORAL and WRONG....just like you.

 

[Dandy]

You didnt knew that? Bitcoin and dash work exactly like that. 51% of the servers can decide to confiscate the money of 49%. In that case a hard fork may occur. Of course, in order to avoid the hard fork, they could first try to vote the numbers instead of confiscating all the some. Both parties may compromise that way, and keep the community solid. A strong community is vital. and it is what makes a crypto valuable.

But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.

 

[ScioMind]

But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.

Exactly!

 

[demo]

But you are talking about people that actively support the network, not all the people. The people that support the network wouldn't do that if they have any sense, because it would invalidate the trust in the network and its basic principles and nobody would want to use that crypto anymore.

I dont think so. If you confiscate a portion from the richest wallet, and give it to the poor and the young people, I think this will skyrocket the value of Dash.
Because this will prove that Dash is operated by a community and not by a bunch of mute servers that belong to spies and agents.
But before doing this, you should first give to the poor and the young the remaining money from the budget, which is burned every month.

 

[Dandy]

You know, your idea was already tried many times.
One of the more notable places where it was tested was Venezuela. As you can see, it didn't really end well.

 

[demo]

The right to acquire and keep one's property is fundamental to the proper operation of a free society. This is a fundamental right, not a privilege graciously granted to us by others. This is true of one's home, food, car, clothes, money, etc. Anyone who would argue that "society," or "the government," or a "king," or "politicians" can simply take away the private property of others is an immoral fool.

The right of property is a bounded right. You can have property, but within limits. You cannot have all the money neither all the land of the world , and the rest people have nothing. These bounds should be set by the community in a permanent never ending referendum (where the community will continuously vote the numbers) . These bounds should not be set by a government, a king, a politician or a priest.

Similarly, I think it is immoral the greedy dash generation of 2014-2016 , their friends and their heirs to hold the 2/3 of the total dash. The Dash community should set a bound on this, by voting the numbers.

 

[demo]

You know, your idea was already tried many times.
One of the more notable places where it was tested was Venezuela. As you can see, it didn't really end well.

And you also, you will not end well. Your corpse will be devoured by worms. This is because the daemons are the majority in this universe. Nothing good can survive in this evil universe, and the bad always prevails. But this doesnt mean we dont have to fight for the good. Because our fight and out wish is recorded in the knowledge tree, and when we will collapse as persons, and when the whole universe will collapse, then we will receive a reward because we fought the evil forces that caused this collapse. We are already doomed, but the fight matters.

Furthermore, my idea (Democracy) has been tried only once, 2500 years ago. Stop confusing Direct Democracy with Republic or Communism/Socialism.

 

[ScioMind]

The right of property is a bounded right. You can have property, but within limits. You cannot have all the money neither all the land of the world , and the rest people have nothing. These bounds should be set by the community in a permanent never ending referendum (where the community will continuously vote the numbers) . These bounds should not be set by a government, a king, a politician or a priest.

No group, no matter how many, has the right to confiscate the property of another. Tyranny by the masses is still tyranny and still immoral.

Similarly, I think it is immoral the greedy dash generation of 2014-2016 , their friends and their heirs to hold the 2/3 of the total dash. The Dash community should set a bound on this, by voting the numbers.[/QUOTE]
If the early adopters of Dash saw an opportunity and invested or held when others did not have the same foresight, and now have something of value, then good for them. Furthermore, their masternodes are working to support instant transactions and the rest of the amazing Dash network, while you are attempting to destroy it.

And you also will not end well. Your corpse will be devoured by worms. This is because the deamons are the majority in this universe. Nothing good can survive in this evil universe, and the bad always prevails. But this doesnt mean we dont have to fight for it. Because our figh and out wish is recorded in the knowledge tree, and when the whole universe will collapse, we will receive the reward because we fought the evil forces that caused this collapse. We are already doomed, but the fight matters.

We all face the same end, of course, but has nothing to do with demons. I agree that while we are here we should fight for the good....not because we expect some reward later on, but simply because it is good to be good, and to oppose the evil and immoral, like you.

 

[demo]

I agree that while we are here we should fight for the good.....not because we expect some reward later on, but simply because it is good to be good.

I think that if you dont expect an afterlife reward or punishment, this gives you great incentives to become an evil person. Because if you turn to evil, this makes your life in this universe easier. I suppose your worldview, which dictates you that there is no life after death and that there is no reward or punishment for your actions, transformed you to the evil person you are today. But I assure you that all the people you have intentionally or unintentionally hurted in this life, you will meet them in the future, and you will be punished for all your injustices.

 

[Dandy]

You must be a very bad person to require a threat of afterlife punishment to be good to people...

 

[ScioMind]

I think that if you dont excpect an afterlife reward or punishment, this gives you great incentives to become an evil person. Because if you turn to evil, this makes your life in this universe easier. I suppose your worldview, which dictates you that there is no life after death and that there is no reward or punishment for your actions, transformed you to the evil person you are today.

But I assure you that all the people you have intentionally or unintentionally hurted in this life, you will meet them in the future, and you will be punished for all your injustices.

Both evil and good have been perpetrated by those who claim to believe in some afterlife reward or punishment. Is one a morally "good person" because one seeks reward, or fears punishment? The TRULY moral and good person is good DESPITE any such hopes or fears.

And it is obvious that despite whatever you claim to believe regarding an afterlife, it has not prevented you from espousing principles of evil. And you are exposed for what you are.

 

[demo]

You must be a very bad person to require a threat of afterlife punishment to be good to people...

I am not a bad person. I am a person who expects justice.

 

[demo]

Both evil and good have been perpetrated by those who claim to believe in some afterlife reward or punishment. Is one a morally "good person" because one seeks reward, or fears punishment?

The TRULY moral and good person is good DESPITE any such hopes or fears.

The truly moral and good person is the one who wants to be judged for his actions.

Despite what your worldview dictates, the good and the evil is not something vague and subjective. It is objective and it can be measured, by grades of pain you cause to the others.

This measured pain, although recorded into the knowledge tree, it is kept secret by the daemons. But it will be revealed when the current state/universe of the daemons will collapse.

The pain your greedy old generation caused to the child in the picture, is enough to classify you to the evil. And the fact that you name the good as evil, and the evil as good, will classify you even more to the evil ones.

 

[ScioMind]

The truly moral and good person is the one who wants to be judged for his actions.

Despite what your worldview dictates, the good and the evil is not something vague and subjective. It is objective and it can be measured, by grades of pain you cause to the others. The pain your greedy old generation caused to the child in the picture, is enough to classify you to the evil. And the fact that you name the good as evil, and the evil as good, will classify you even more to the evil ones.

I have no problem being judged for my actions. I also do not believe that morality (or good and evil) are "vague and subjective." And nothing I have said indicates otherwise...which is OBVIOUS to anyone reading this, and simply exposes you as a very blatant (and rather unskilled) liar.

To state that I caused that poor child's pain is purely ludicrous...and, again, very OBVIOUSLY so to anyone reading this. You are doing yourself (and whatever "cause" you are serving - which I suspect involves being a paid agent, tasked with spreading discord on these forums) by making yourself look like a fool...which is actually fine with me, lol!