V12.1 Testnet Launch Thread

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observation 1 :

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spectrocoin-adding-dash-exchange-e-wallet-1565767



I'm not sure where they got that 2,000 dash for Instandsend, so far i can tell the limit is currently set on 1000 Dash for InstantX ?



Unless there is a difference between InstandSend limit on Testnet and on Mainnet ?

observation 2 :

running the wallet in windows with commandline option -keypool=10000 seems to replenish the keys to 10000 automatically upon restart, the added "keys left" in overview confirms that.

observation 3 : i'm starting to notice how during sync the syncing indicator has this nice effect where it spins really fast .. i like it.
yep, it's 1000 DASH on testnet
dash-cli spork show -> SPORK_5_MAX_VALUE
 
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You could always send a tiny amount first. If after you receive it, you can use the trezor to spend from that input, then you're in control. You can also generate Electrum/Trezor receiving addresses on a completely offline computer, which eliminates the risk of those addresses getting hacked.
Good points! I finally gained enough confidence that exact way. I sent small amounts to and from the trezor and did so from several different computers. Thank you all for your help!
 

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Just thinking.... but it would be nice if automatic backups could be placed anywhere you want them, such as a jump drive or in several locations at once in case of drive failure, but it can be done manually of course, so no biggie :)

I just noticed that the lock wallet and unlock wallet options under settings is no longer there. Why is that please?
 
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Just thinking.... but it would be nice if automatic backups could be placed anywhere you want them, such as a jump drive or in several locations at once in case of drive failure, but it can be done manually of course, so no biggie :)
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https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/882
- add new cmd-line option -walletbackupsdir to specify full path to directory for automatic wallet backups
;)

EDIT: not several locations though but anyway :D
 
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Oh cool, thanks!

On the other question, did you guys intentionally remove the lock/unlock wallet option in settings on the qt wallet?
 

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Oh cool, thanks!

On the other question, did you guys intentionally remove the lock/unlock wallet option in settings on the qt wallet?
I'm not sure what you mean, nothing like tha was removed afaik... Lock/Unlock only visible if you wallet is encrypted though.
 

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Ah, that's what it is then! my testnet wallet isn't encrypted, LOL (I'm lazy)
 

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Merge https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/885: Fix mnconflock
Merge https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/883: fix GetAnonymizableCredit
Merge https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/884: [UI] Transaction Date Range: persistence added and format modified
Merge https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/886: also ignore outpoints which are not from currently loaded wallet
Merge https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/882: Autobackup enhancements + support autobackup in PS
Hot damn.
 
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Just thinking.... but it would be nice if automatic backups could be placed anywhere you want them, such as a jump drive or in several locations at once in case of drive failure ...
I'm sure the enhancements are coming. Create the lump of clay, then sculpt it. @UdjinM6 FTW.
 

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Indeed having the keys left for PS is awesome!
Will there be some kind of red notice or popup window once the keys get closer to certain amount or will it backup the wallet and stop itself before going forward with mixing or a button next to which will add the keys?
Good to see that the main interface is without too many things and you can enable the PS interface in additional wallet options.
 

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Indeed having the keys left for PS is awesome!
Will there be some kind of red notice or popup window once the keys get closer to certain amount or will it backup the wallet and stop itself before going forward with mixing or a button next to which will add the keys?
Good to see that the main interface is without too many things and you can enable the PS interface in additional wallet options.
There are 2 thresholds:
100 keys left - "it's getting dangerous" - modal dialog popup, wallet will make new backup after user clicks OK (or it will make backup without asking anything if you run in daemon mode), reset key count if backup succeeded.
50 keys left - "definitely dangerous" - for whatever reason user didn't respond to warning at 100 keys level and keypool is getting depleted even further, stop/disable mixing.
 
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There are 2 thresholds:
100 keys left - "it's getting dangerous" - modal dialog popup, wallet will make new backup after user clicks OK (or it will make backup without asking anything if you run in daemon mode), reset key count if backup succeeded.
50 keys left - "definitely dangerous" - for whatever reason user didn't respond to warning at 100 keys level and keypool is getting depleted even further, stop/disable mixing.
That would be awesome @UdjinM6, wait, it is already done? :)
 
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There are 2 thresholds:
100 keys left - "it's getting dangerous" - modal dialog popup, wallet will make new backup after user clicks OK (or it will make backup without asking anything if you run in daemon mode), reset key count if backup succeeded.
50 keys left - "definitely dangerous" - for whatever reason user didn't respond to warning at 100 keys level and keypool is getting depleted even further, stop/disable mixing.
Great feature that will hopefully save a lot of problems. Keep up the great work guys!
 

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There are 2 thresholds:
100 keys left - "it's getting dangerous" - modal dialog popup, wallet will make new backup after user clicks OK (or it will make backup without asking anything if you run in daemon mode), reset key count if backup succeeded.
50 keys left - "definitely dangerous" - for whatever reason user didn't respond to warning at 100 keys level and keypool is getting depleted even further, stop/disable mixing.
And what about liquidityprovider=1? On testnet it's about 1-2 tx per hour - not fast to see warning.
 

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And what about liquidityprovider=1? On testnet it's about 1-2 tx per hour - not fast to see warning.
Good question! Should work as well, though I didn't test this case specifically. Probably a good idea to run in daemon mode in this particular case - should be no warnings i.e. no mixing interraption, only automatic backups (if there is enough disk space, correct permissions etc).
 
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If automatic backup in PS indeed works as intended without any side-effects, does that mean we are going to set multi-session PS mixing on default on Mainnet ?
 

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If automatic backup in PS indeed works as intended without any side-effects, does that mean we are going to set multi-session PS mixing on default on Mainnet ?
I'm not sure... I would still require user to make this decision himself but we can make his life a bit easier by exposing this feature to GUI so that it was easily controllable.
Smth like that https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/891 maybe ;)
 

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That sounds great guys, but nothing is going to be as good as Evolution, where no backups are required. That one feature will seriously make Dash mass adoptable. I can't wait!
 
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If automatic backup in PS indeed works as intended without any side-effects, does that mean we are going to set multi-session PS mixing on default on Mainnet ?
Evolution, where no backups are required.
What if I want to do it old school? Can I opt-out of the cloud-stored deterministic features and facebook-of-crypto features?

I really don't like the idea of one mere password unlocking all of the money I have, and ever will have... And, I prefer using addresses for real control of where and how my coins move.

I realize these features are crutches to bring DASH to the clueless, but are we going to pull a Microsoft? So desperate to go after Apple's market share that they abandoned their existing user base... Now Windows is impossible to use for what little is left that it does...

Are the crutches going to get in the way for more intelligent users?
 

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What if I want to do it old school? Can I opt-out of the cloud-stored deterministic features and facebook-of-crypto features?

I really don't like the idea of one mere password unlocking all of the money I have, and ever will have... And, I prefer using addresses for real control of where and how my coins move.

I realize these features are crutches to bring DASH to the clueless, but are we going to pull a Microsoft? So desperate to go after Apple's market share that they abandoned their existing user base... Now Windows is impossible to use for what little is left that it does...

Are the crutches going to get in the way for more intelligent users?
As I understood it, Evolution will be completely optional. The dash-qt wallet is not going anywhere AFAIK. The people who need the ease of use of Evolution will stick with that, but the people who started on this and enjoy it, or the ones who want to see how it works under the hood, will still be able to kick it old school....
 

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What if I want to do it old school? Can I opt-out of the cloud-stored deterministic features and facebook-of-crypto features?

I really don't like the idea of one mere password unlocking all of the money I have, and ever will have... And, I prefer using addresses for real control of where and how my coins move.

I realize these features are crutches to bring DASH to the clueless, but are we going to pull a Microsoft? So desperate to go after Apple's market share that they abandoned their existing user base... Now Windows is impossible to use for what little is left that it does...

Are the crutches going to get in the way for more intelligent users?
Tao is right, The old wallet will still be available. Personally, I look forward to keeping my MNs and possibly, if I can ever accumulate, my "main" storage of funds in a QT or wallet.dat * file, but my spending money will undoubtedly be in Evolution. So it'll be the best of both worlds. Kind of like a savings/CD account and a checking account only better :D

*Or better still, a hardware wallet :p
 

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I had a thought... Kinda like backwards MN blinding.

Right now, MNs are completely exposed entities. Would a subset or stripped-down version of this Facebook-of-crypto functionality be able to send MN's payments to a different address other than the 1000VIN address? A different one every time?

Could adding this stripped-down version actually serve as a test for the concept and an incremental feature add at the same time? MNs actually become a payee entity of sorts in the network's eyes utilizing a similar mechanism?
 

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I had a thought... Kinda like backwards MN blinding.

Right now, MNs are completely exposed entities. Would a subset or stripped-down version of this Facebook-of-crypto functionality be able to send MN's payments to a different address other than the 1000VIN address? A different one every time?

Could adding this stripped-down version actually serve as a test for the concept and an incremental feature add at the same time? MNs actually become a payee entity of sorts in the network's eyes utilizing a similar mechanism?
Interesting idea, however MNs are identified not by the payee address but by the vin really (we need to know if it's still unspent), so even if from blockchain perspective it could look like address has nothing to do with MN for online node it should be obvious which MN is getting payed every block (or there is no consensus). "Facebook-of-crypto" functionality for end users does not affect consensus in any way.
 
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