Universal Dividend and Web of Trust for Dashcoin

Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?


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TheUltraaliens

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there are a lot of faucets around
we frequently do handouts for Newcommers
download a miner and mine from your computer
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there are a ton of way to make coins :rolleyes:

Yes, true

But ease of access, ease of use. Think "Apple". Think Microsoft Windows 95 (if you had started life before this event).

MSDOS was cool but Microsoft Windows changed the "Future" of computer usage.

Apple..... Ease of use, easy access, easy on the eye.

Steve and crew made it "Easy" to get "Involved".

If there is any fog or 'Mist' in the process of entering the environment, you are adding doubt and mental 'Inertia' to the event. You don't want that.

Dash 'should' include future cryptocurrency users.
And I mean those that are yet to even know what Bitcoin/Dash are.

Scenarios:

Entity A - " Dash sounds cool, how do I get some?"

Entity B -

1) go sign up to Dash Evolution via the web (or where ever), your new wallet will contain some welcome $DASH

Or


1) go sign up to Dash Evolution.
2) go to Faucet website and if its up, click like a lab animal (or try to decipher some picture / capture) and hope you get some $DASH.

Back in a Dash

@TheUltraaliens
 

tungfa

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Yes, true

But ease of access, ease of use. Think "Apple". Think Microsoft Windows 95 (if you had started life before this event).

MSDOS was cool but Microsoft Windows changed the "Future" of computer usage.

Apple..... Ease of use, easy access, easy on the eye.

Steve and crew made it "Easy" to get "Involved".

If there is any fog or 'Mist' in the process of entering the environment, you are adding doubt and mental 'Inertia' to the event. You don't want that.

Dash 'should' include future cryptocurrency users.
And I mean those that are yet to even know what Bitcoin/Dash are.

Scenarios:

Entity A - " Dash sounds cool, how do I get some?"

Entity B -

1) go sign up to Dash Evolution via the web (or where ever), your new wallet will contain some welcome $DASH

Or


1) go sign up to Dash Evolution.
2) go to Faucet website and if its up, click like a lab animal (or try to decipher some picture / capture) and hope you get some $DASH.

Back in a Dash

@TheUltraaliens
i hear you
good idea in theory

but has to be secured in some way
i did multiple 'Newcomer Giveaways' already over DT (international section)
and users were double-tripple- ..... signing up right and left and in the end i had to shut it down as it was the same 5 characters logging in again and again just to get the 0.5 Dash out of me :rolleyes:
 

TheUltraaliens

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i hear you
good idea in theory

but has to be secured in some way
Security already built into Evo.

A percentage of transaction fees should go to 'Universal Credit' (or some 'Gravitational' phrase).

Dash is unique in that transaction fees are not pure.
Dash also has additional fees for 'InstantX' and 'PrivacyProtect" (and any additional fees from new tech).

Dash could also promote users giving ad hoc additional payments (voluntary) to the 'Universal Credit' (just like my piggybank example above).

Back in a Dash

@TheUltraaliens
 

TheUltraaliens

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"Explaining a fountain to a 3rd world country must be weird. 'Yeah we just shoot clean water into the air and throw our extra money into it" by @fire2sweet

Knowing that Dash 'Has' the ability and potential to change the trajectory of cryptocurrencies future is gravitational.

If Dash continues on the current trajectory there will be growth but no 'Old Age'.

Edit: And I 'want' Dash to be in use during my old age.

Back in a Dash

@TheUltraaliens
 
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demo

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i hear you good idea in theory but has to be secured in some way
i did multiple 'Newcomer Giveaways' already over DT (international section)
and users were double-tripple- ..... signing up right and left and in the end i had to shut it down as it was the same 5 characters logging in again and again just to get the 0.5 Dash out of me :rolleyes:
In order to have a basic income in dash, we have to take care of Sybil attacks, and prove individuality, using a Web of Trust. But of course we have another possibility and this is http://proofofindividuality.online/
POIs (proof-of-individuality) are smart-assets that are hosted on the Ethereum network. They solve one of the hard problems in crypto - how do you prove that a person only has one account within the system ? Through person-to-person verification. Users are grouped together by random in groups of 5 or so, and every group does a video hangout at the exact same time, that lasts around 10 minutes or so. Users check so that the others in their group aren't doing another hangout at the same time. They then sign each other's POIs and verify them. Once the hangouts are finished and all POIs have been verified, everyone will know that each POI represents a unique human being.
Also let me inform you that POIs are issued by states. For example many europeans states have issued POIs, and every citizen is allowed to obtain a unique digital signature. Perhaps, by using a zero knowledge proof scheme, someone can prove that he owns a (issued by the state) digital signature and that way prove his individuality, without revealing his identity. Of course I have to discuss this with someone who knows what a zero knowledge proof is, it is meaningless to discuss things like that with managers.

Finaly if someone dont care about anonymity and is willing to present to the dash community a state issued POI, this makes things much more easy. If Dash community trusts the state which issued the POI, then can give to that person the basic income and/or the universal dividend, without having the fear of the sybil attacks you just mentioned.
 
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demo

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Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?

  1. *yes for both 2 vote(s) 7.4%
  2. yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
  3. yes for Wev of Trust 1 vote(s) 3.7%
  4. no 24 vote(s) 88.9%
  5. other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
I understand that some people are greedy, and they want all dash for themselves, and they dont give a penny for newcomers and for the new dash generations.

But NO also for the web of trust? They dont even care about community?

For example, do they like to participate in a fake community, full of bots, full of manstenodes controled by a big company?

Not that this is the case of dash of today of course, but if you refuse even the Web of Trust, means that you dont even care if one day dash will become like that.
 
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demo

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"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us."
what do you mean with that?
 

qwizzie

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what do you mean with that?
"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, dash, ourselves, and the world around us."

i have faith in you understanding what i mean with that...
 

demo

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"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, dash, ourselves, and the world around us."
I'm not understanding you at all. So I am wise.
 
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TheUltraaliens

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"Explaining a fountain to a 3rd world country must be weird. 'Yeah we just shoot clean water into the air and throw our extra money into it" by @fire2sweet



Do we burn coins for proposals?
 

chenriquelira

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Economics, people, economics. This stupid idea would do nothing but devalue Dash. We cannot create value from nothing, it's even a concern for me that Dash will be issuing coins till more than the year of 2100. I'll be dead before Dash stops from rewarding coins. This needs to change and I would totally support a proposal to change this.

You Can’t Create More Savings by Printing More Money:
https://mises.org/library/you-can’t-create-more-savings-printing-more-money
 
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demo

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Economics, people, economics. This stupid idea would do nothing but devalue Dash. We cannot create value from nothing, it's even a concern for me that Dash will be issuing coins till more than the year of 2100. I'll be dead before Dash stops from rewarding coins. This needs to change and I would totally support a proposal to change this.

You Can’t Create More Savings by Printing More Money:
https://mises.org/library/you-can’t-create-more-savings-printing-more-money
Nobody said that a universand dividend and a basic income means printing more money.
It means the ones who have money to give it to the ones who havent, in order for this money to respect symmetry over time.
 
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chenriquelira

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Omg, now you're defending forced redistribution. No, just no! You are a socialist, aren't you? What you are defending is theft, theft! For God, read Mises, Rothbard or Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

Ok guys, it's time to ban this user, he is a threat to our goals, he is defending the opposite what made Satoshi create Bitcoin: only you have control over your money thus you can't be robbed in anyway, mainly by the state.

"There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society." -HHH
 
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demo2

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Omg, now you're defending forced redistribution. No, just no! You are a socialist, aren't you? What you are defending is theft, theft! For God, read Mises, Rothbard or Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

Ok guys, it's time to ban this user, he is a threat to our goals, he is defending the opposite what made Satoshi create Bitcoin: only you have control over your money thus you can't be robbed in anyway, mainly by the state.

"There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society." -HHH
You simply dont undestand that if you coin all dash today, future generations will reject you.
You are forced to give money to the future, otherwise you are already dead.

You are the theft of future, and the future will punish you.

It is not about socialcoin. It is about smartcoin. It is not about not working and getting coins. It is about symmetry in time and space, it is about the chances to earn coins to be equal among generations. All generations should have the same chance to earn coins, and the same amount of work should result the same amount of coins, in all space and time.
If your plan as a coin is not to respect future (generations), future (generations) will not respect and trust you. And if they dont trust you as a coin, you are already a dead coin.
Dash is already dead in the future due to this catastrophic decision of the core team not to respect the future. Some of you, you didnt knew it. Some of you you are so stupid that even now I told you the truth, you refuse to accept it and you keep invest in this dead bubble.
Of course dash has the potential to change, and this is due to the voting procedure. Voting can save dash, voting can change dash, and bring it to life again.
So, because you dont know how the future will be and how many people will arrive here, and because it is somehow stupid not to coin dash as long as you can, you coin all dash now, but then you define a universal divedend and a basic income, in order to turn dash symmetric in space and time.
 
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chenriquelira

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Omg, there's no "future", there's only "present", what already happened and what will yet happen. You are crazy and all you said is nonsense. You are defending theft and backing it up with a full retard nonsense, and yet defending that it last forever. By now I'm just ignoring you. If you want to prove once again the failure of socialism, create your own coin (or fork another coin) and implement this bullshit and we will watch your coin to die, but you are not going to do it with Dash. Bye.
 
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demo2

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Omg, there's no "future", there's only "present", what already happened and what will yet happen. You are crazy and all you said is nonsense. You are defending theft and backing it up with a full retard nonsense, and yet defending that it last forever. By now I'm just ignoring you. If you want to prove once again the failure of socialism, create your own coin (or fork another coin) and implement this bullshit and we will watch your coin to die, but you are not going to do it with Dash. Bye.

Money is trust. If you get all the money now, future dash users will not trust you and respect you. With your greed you are transforming dash from money it is supposed to be, to become a collective item for old guys, like it is gold, diamonds, bitcoin or stamps.

And future generations are going to bury you, together with your useless and trustless dash. They dont need to steal dash from you, it is simplier for them not to trust it, and this will be the end of dash. Because you decided you dont want to have future, but only present. So the grave is your reward.

But if you finnaly decide to have future (and I want to see it happening in this poll, you can always change your vote) what is the correct thing to be done ?
Because you dont know how the future will be and how many people will arrive in dash, and because it is somehow stupid not to coin dash as long as you can, and because you cannot produce more dash than the one initially decided, you just coin almost all dash now. But then you define a universal dividend and a basic income along with a scheme of Proof-of-Identity (like the WoT or any other), in order to turn dash symmetric in space and time, and that way respect the future.
 
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yidakee

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So, essentially, you're saying future potential Dash users are slaves to the system because they're not getting free Dash right now? This space-time assymetry of yours, can it predict future number of users, their Evolution usernames, and or legacy public keys?

That would be a start.
 

noobtrader

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your demand is so absurd, you basically want everyone who open Dash wallet to get free coin ???
btw i think this is maybe a good idea, implement faucet in Dash wallet ???
 

tungfa

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Where ? I feel kinda silly I can't find it
Silly Billy
(so i happy i can finally say that to somebody, normally moo cow said it to me ... lol)
 
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