Universal Dividend and Web of Trust for Dashcoin

Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?


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demo

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Honestly though, is this crazy @demo guy onto something yet or still being an uber-professional-troll?
As I promised, I put a poll about numerical voting.

You are welcome there to vote and, in the case you have a tiny interest on the subject, to discuss the implementation details of the numerical voting pre-proposal.
 

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Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
  1. yes for both 1 vote(s) 2.3%
  2. yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
  3. yes for Wev of Trust 1 vote(s) 2.3%
  4. no 39 vote(s) 88.6%
  5. other 2 vote(s) 4.5%
  6. Lets vote with numbers 1 vote(s) 2.3%
and the people who voted "no" are:
TanteStefana Stealth923 elbereth aleix splawik21 Lariondos tungfa yidakee UdjinM6 calnaughtonjnr acidburn crowning Raptor73 JGCMiner raganius AjM MangledBlue oaxaca TaoOfSatoshi bertlebbert HinnomTX bandidorl studioz camosoul Jeztah balu Macrochip kot noobtrader Vedran Yoweri TroyDASH Defacto Comodore amanda_b_johnson Druid chenriquelira Otaci rustycase halso
<vote history>
Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
yes for both 1 vote(s) 2.2%
yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
yes for Wev of Trust 1 vote(s) 2.2%
no 40 vote(s) 88.9%
other 2 vote(s) 4.4%
Lets vote with numbers 1 vote(s) 2.2%

Voters turnout: 45 out of 5455 registered forum users.

and the people who voted "no" are:
TanteStefana Stealth923 elbereth aleix splawik21 Lariondos tungfa yidakee UdjinM6 calnaughtonjnr acidburn crowning Raptor73 JGCMiner raganius AjM MangledBlue oaxaca TaoOfSatoshi bertlebbert HinnomTX bandidorl studioz camosoul Jeztah balu Macrochip kot noobtrader Solarminer Vedran Yoweri TroyDASH Defacto Comodore amanda_b_johnson Druid chenriquelira Otaci rustycase halso
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Solarminer, is the new kid on the (40) block.
 
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qwizzie

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I would have voted if this was a poll about Dash instead of Dashcoin :(
It is not too late yet OP, the power of correction lays in your hands....
 

TroyDASH

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@demo we can all see the vote totals and we can all see the list of users who voted for each option. You don't need to bump the thread to announce it every time someone votes, if you don't have anything else new to add.
 

demo

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@demo we can all see the vote totals and we can all see the list of users who voted for each option. You don't need to bump the thread to announce it every time someone votes, if you don't have anything else new to add.
You are right. I am also tired to bump this thread, in order to keep the vote history visible.

But what can I do? Shall we forget the vote history? This is neither proper nor wise.

I wish a vote history feature to be implemented in this forum oneday.



 
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demo

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https://www.google.com/search?q=universal+income

Articles posted in the internet for the universal dividend the last two days

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/03/universal-basic-income-can-help-battle-inequality
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...c-survey-universal-basic-income/#651a5fb4b840
http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/the-tale-and-maths-of-universal-basic-income-1655225
http://basicincome.org/news/2017/02/basic-income-inclusive-democratic-subsidy/

The universal dividend is in the news.
Dash is not in the news due to the stupid decisions of the dash community.

<vote history>
Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
yes for both 1 vote(s) 2.2%
yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
yes for Wev of Trust 1 vote(s) 2.2%
no 41 vote(s) 89.1%
other 2 vote(s) 4.3%
*Lets vote with numbers 1 vote(s) 2.2%
</vote history>
 
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TroyDASH

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You know @demo, maybe I don't agree that universal dividend is necessarily the right way to go about this, but I do agree with Ryan Taylor in his recent presentation at TNABC conference, that it is important for the network to have "switching incentives" in order to be a successful payment solution. Ryan did allude to possibly creating certain types of rewards, similar to the concept of credit card companies offering cash back or redeemable points.

It's not a universal income but maybe it's at least in the same galaxy as your idea.
 

demo

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The basic income is not philanthropy or communism, as some people see it. The basic income is justice, it is a fair way to distribute money whithin a community of people and among generations.

Until now all types of money (silver, gold, dollar, euro, bitcoin or dash) were designed as time and space dependant. The old guard always holds most of the money, and people beg them and do whatever the old guard wants, in order to get that money. But this is about to change in the upcoming years.

People will soon understand that money must be initially distributed in a fair way. And only after this initial fair distribution we should let people earn more of that money (according to their labor and their capableness). People will understand that all new born citizents that belong to the same community must initially have equal chances in money (similar to what is happening to a family, where new born brothers and sisters have equal shares to the fortune of their parents).

So the basic income will become a prerequisite in whatever type of money, whether this is named dollar, or euro or bitcoin or dash. And people will politicaly refuse to accept whatever money does not have the basic income property. Whether the basic income will become a universal income or not, this depends on whether there will be peace worldwide or not.
 
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demo

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<vote history>
Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
yes for both 1 vote(s) 2%
@TheUltraaliens
yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
yes for Wev of Trust 2 vote(s) 4.1%
@GrandMasterDash
@marketingmonk
no 43 vote(s) 87.8%
@TanteStefana
@Stealth923
@elbereth
@aleix
@splawik21
@Lariondos
@tungfa
@yidakee
@Sapereaude
@UdjinM6
@calnaughtonjnr
@acidburn
@crowning
@Raptor73
@JGCMiner
@raganius
@AjM
@MangledBlue
@oaxaca
@TaoOfSatoshi
@bertlebbert
@HinnomTX
@bandidorl
@studioz
@camosoul
@Jeztah
@balu
@Macrochip
@kot
@noobtrader
@Solarminer
@Vedran Yoweri
@TroyDASH
@Defacto
@smittycs
@Comodore
@lynx
@amanda_b_johnson
@Druid
@chenriquelira
@Otaci
@rustycase
@halso
other 2 vote(s) 4.1%
@TheDashGuy
@demo2
Lets vote with numbers 1 vote(s) 2%
@demo
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Sounds like a Prove of Stake coin, but with a fixed amount per wallet instead of proportional to the number of coins at stake.
Interesting, but AFAIK most POS coins failed badly.

Besides this, I could hire loads of Chinese people cheaply (I have friends there) to prove individuality for my hundreds of wallets I would create.
Isn't Dash PoS, at least for Masternode operators?
 
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You are wrong. Existing is the more imporant thing, as long as you exist and you are active.
Active means you are doing transactions with your money.

This is how economy works. Dash needs transactions to be made with it, and this can be done by real people who get a basic income.

So basic income should be given to people who are doing transactions regularly.

It's certainly another model.
I'm not pushing this idea, but why not go for the further democratisation of a currency that expires?
So, we all get a (EDIT: equal) daily allowance that expires after, or time-limited to one day.
This would eliminate the possibility of accumulating wealth by accumulating the medium of exchange.
 
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The basic income is not philanthropy or communism, as some people see it. The basic income is justice, it is a fair way to distribute money whithin a community of people and among generations.

Until now all types of money (silver, gold, dollar, euro, bitcoin or dash) were designed as time and space dependant. The old guard always holds most of the money, and people beg them and do whatever the old guard wants, in order to get that money. But this is about to change in the upcoming years.

People will soon understand that money must be initially distributed in a fair way. And only after this initial fair distribution we should let people earn more of that money (according to their labor and their capableness). People will understand that all new born citizents that belong to the same community must initially have equal chances in money (similar to what is happening to a family, where new born brothers and sisters have equal shares to the fortune of their parents).

So the basic income will become a prerequisite in whatever type of money, whether this is named dollar, or euro or bitcoin or dash. And people will politicaly refuse to accept whatever money does not have the basic income property. Whether the basic income will become a universal income or not, this depends on whether there will be peace worldwide or not.
As I already mentioned, why not, then, go fully "just" and have time-limited money that cannot be accumulated as it ceases to exist after a certain amount of time. Say daily allowance with life of just that day.
 

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Mark Zuckerberg Just Voiced His Support for Universal Basic Income

futurism.com said:
With his endorsement of UBI, Zuckerberg joins a growing list of experts and innovators who believe supporting basic human needs must precede innovation. UBI pilot programs are sprouting up all over the world, including one in Oakland, California sponsored by Y Combinator. Many are modeled in part after the State of Alaska’s long-term “Permanent Fund” which distributes a dividend to every resident so they can share in the wealth gleaned from the state’s natural resources equally.
"We should have a society that measures progress not just by economic metrics like GDP, but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful,” Zuckerberg told the Harvard graduates and their guests. “We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas.”
https://futurism.com/mark-zuckerberg-just-voiced-his-support-for-universal-basic-income/

o_O:rolleyes:

But of course the dash stupids over here, do not listen. :mad::(
 
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demo

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If the MNOs idiots dont catch the universal dividend train, this will cause the desruction of Dash.
 

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What the fuck is a Dashcoin?

demo, you have been trolling this forum for over a year now...maybe that time would have been spent better googling the difference between Dash and Dashcoin.
 

demo

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What the fuck is a Dashcoin?

demo, you have been trolling this forum for over a year now...maybe that time would have been spent better googling the difference between Dash and Dashcoin.

first message
I am talking about Dash, not dashcoin, please forgive my typo in the title.
The system prohibits the change of the title.
 

GrandMasterDash

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UBI is a response to unpredictable Inflation and the stupid introduction of minimum wages.

UBI is interesting in a fiat system but totally unnecessary in a world that is moving to a crypto store of value.

OTOH, I thought fb and alphabet were moving to UBI in an attempt to keep their centralised powerbase.
 

demo

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<vote history> <-- why vote history is usefull?
Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
yes for both 3 vote(s) 5.3%
yes for Universal Dividend 0 vote(s) 0.0%
yes for Wev of Trust 2 vote(s) 3.5%
no 48 vote(s) 84.2%
other 3 vote(s) 5.3%
Lets vote with numbers 1 vote(s) 1.8%
</vote history>
 
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demo

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Two of the year's trendiest niche ideas, basic income and bitcoin, have finally crossed paths.

The Pineapple Fund, a charity project started by a bitcoin millionaire, has committed $5 million worth of bitcoin to GiveDirectly, an organization that is currently running the largest basic income experiment in history across dozens of villages in rural Kenya.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncom...we_just_donated_5_million_to_givedirectly_to/
http://www.businessinsider.com/basic-income-experiment-bitcoin-donation-2017-12
https://pineapplefund.org/

And here in Dash?

The current USD value of Dash is $1095.71.
Next budget payments will occur in 4 days.

(2018-01-02 17:06:46, block 797568)
Voting deadline will occur in 2 days.
Total Allocated Budget: 2,297.90 DASH ($2,517,832.01).
Total Available Budget: 6,651.85 DASH ($7,288,498.43).
Total Allocated monthly Budget (for advertising only!): 2,297.90 DASH ($2,517,832.01).
Total Available monthly Budget ready to be thrown into the garbages in 2 days: 6,651.85 DASH ($7,288,498.43).

Such a shame!! The masternodes are monsters!!!! I will call them m(a/on)sternodes for now on.


Poll Results: Do you like a Universal Dividend and a Web of Trust to be incorporated in Dashcoin?
Members who voted for 'no'
 
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demo

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Enough is enough for the greedy old generations!
Give a basic income to the new generations NOW!


I hope one day this 5 year old kid can answer:
"I have money mom, I have the basic income!"

The basic income is not philanthropy or communism, as some people see it. The basic income is justice, it is a fair way to distribute money whithin a community of people and among generations.

Until now all types of money (silver, gold, dollar, euro, bitcoin or dash) were designed as time and space dependant. The old guard always holds most of the money, and people beg them and do whatever the old guard wants, in order to get that money. But this is about to change in the upcoming years.

People will soon understand that money must be initially distributed in a fair way. And only after this initial fair distribution we should let people earn more of that money (according to their labor and their capableness). People will understand that all new born citizents that belong to the same community must initially have equal chances in money (similar to what is happening to a family, where new born brothers and sisters have equal shares to the fortune of their parents).

So the basic income will become a prerequisite in whatever type of money, whether this is named dollar, or euro or bitcoin or dash. And people will politicaly refuse to accept whatever money does not have the basic income property. Whether the basic income will become a universal income or not, this depends on whether there will be peace worldwide or not.
 
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Please stop using children for pushing your socialist agenda.
I can understand arguing for your ideas, but this is just disgusting...

Ask people in Venezuela how that "helicopter money" idea of your is working out for them.
Taking money from the people that earned it and distributing it "fairly" made their currency worthless, so they are now turning to crypto because they know it cannot be taken away from them and that makes it valuable.
 
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