Stupids and Spies bought masternodes in order to stop governance.

Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?

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I like your answer, demo! It seems that you're working on the design of a system and dealing with all the troubles it involves.

However, your improved procedure still has some safety bugs:

1.- If the public key does not hold the 1000 dashes, then anybody can issue several public keys and pay to several guys (not necessarily related to dash) to deposit different envelopes. Then, a single guy (the owner of several masternodes) can later claim a separated identity for each public key. (It means that your procedure is vulnerable to a sybil attack)

2.- Your checking procedure may fall in an endless loop of objections. It's something very creepy regarding that nobody can leave until the procedure ends. A crypto-party with masked people?... Sounds scary!... Resembles me the movie "eyes wide shut"

The "proof of Identity" has been a riddle in all descentralized designs, and never has had a satisfactory solutio n. If I were you, I'd would look in the PGP system, and the previous history of attempts to solve it. But Proof of ID may not be the target for what you're looking for. I mean, all this effort may not give the outcome you expect. I just say.
 
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juliomoros said:
I like your answer, demo! It seems that you're working on the design of a system and dealing with all the troubles it involves.

However, your improved procedure still has some safety bugs:

1.- If the public key does not hold the 1000 dashes, then anybody can issue several public keys and pay to several guys (not necessarily related to dash) to deposit different envelopes. Then, a single guy (the owner of several masternodes) can later claim a separated identity for each public key. (It means that your procedure is vulnerable to a sybil attack)
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The guy who is the owner of several masternodes and wants to hide has to pay his puppets more than the universal dividend. Otherwise why the puppets to give them their wallet? Do you think you can find someone who can pay the people more than the universal dividend? I dont think so! And how many puppets can he pay? He has to be very very rich in order for his sybil attack to have a real impact, but if he so rich then in that case he owns the cryptocurrency anyway! Of course everything depends on how big the dividend is. Offering a decent dividend is not only a philanthropy, it is also a safety measure in order to prevent the coin for being compromised. And lets suppose that someone succeds in his sybil Attack and manages to buy many proof of individuality. What is the real impact? All his puppets will vote identicaly, so the statistics will still reveal that they are puppets! And he owns those proof of individuality not forever but until the next cryptoparty, which whenever it happens (for example after 2 years) will result in paying the puppets again.

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2.- Your checking procedure may fall in an endless loop of objections. It's something very creepy regarding that nobody can leave until the procedure ends.
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"Nobody can leave" means that if someone leaves, the procedure is repeated! Leaving in the middle of the procedure is considered as a type of objection. And It is not an endless loop of objections. If someone objects too many times, they can throw him out of the room! The proof of individuality remains for those who are inside the room. Of course the one who is out of the room will sign that the cryptoparty was not appropriate. And the rest cryptoparties that occur simultaneously around the globe, they will judge the testimony of the persecuted accordingly, and sign or not sign the cryptoparty where this incident occured. There can be a camera in every cryptoparty after all, as long as people can be masked! If such an incident occurs, and before throwing the guy out of the room, the attendees can wear their masks and open the camera, for the incident to be recorded live and for the other cryptoparties to see and judge whats going on.

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A crypto-party with masked people?... Sounds scary!... Resembles me the movie "eyes wide shut"
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It may look like "eyes wide shut" but it may also look like this.
 
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So have events for people put empty wallets in a box how do we prevent people from going to multiple events or going to the same event multiple times?
Are we looking for a list of dash users I see how bad actors can cause issues with this method more so the requiring 1000 dash being owned to vote.
 
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Ftoole said:
So have events for people put empty wallets in a box how do we prevent people from going to multiple events or going to the same event multiple times?
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It is impossible for people to go to multiple events or go to the same event multiple times.
Because all the events are closed door events, they happen the exact same time, and their proceedings are broadcasted in the internet with a camera. Additionally, just before the event ends and the doors open again, a web of trust among separate events is created and signed. All the attendees of all events share a common total amount of money (as basic income), so there is great incentive for the attendees of all events not to sign other events that are not appropriate.

The concurrency of events may have an exception, if we talk about events happen in separate continents (ex. Asia and America). In that case the events may happen in such a difference of time that it will be impossible for an individual to attend two events.
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Are we looking for a list of dash users I see how bad actors can cause issues with this method more so the requiring 1000 dash being owned to vote.
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Everyone is marked as individual (while remain anonymous). So the community knows the individuals, and can take measures against bad individual actors, in case they over do it.

<vote history>
Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?
*yes 4 vote(s) 16.7%
no 16 vote(s) 66.7%
other 1 vote(s) 4.2%
Proof of potato(e). 3 vote(s) 12.5%
</vote history>
 
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demo said:
Better narcissist, psychopath or sadist than slave (like you and me).
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Speak for yourself. I am none of the above. And whereas I might trust a "slave" to at least be honest, I could not say the same of a narcissist, psychopath or sadist.
 
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i dont really understand how would proof individuality be implemented, pls demo make an example about yourself, tell us all who you are and where you live etc, enlighten us all in this thread.

thanks
 
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ScioMind said:
Speak for yourself. I am none of the above. And whereas I might trust a "slave" to at least be honest, I could not say the same of a narcissist, psychopath or sadist.
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No, you are much more in danger when slaves surround you.
Because they obey to the sadist.
A sadist is harmless, in case no slaves obey him.
There is no honest slave.
Honest people prefer to die than being enslaved.
 
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noobtrader said:
i dont really understand how would proof individuality be implemented, pls demo make an example about yourself, tell us all who you are and where you live etc, enlighten us all in this thread.

thanks
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You dont expect me to reveal my identity or break my anonymity, do you?

The proof of individuality I propose is simple.

We have to gather all together in a closed enviroment (room, hall, stadium), and then every individual puts an (empty) cryptowallet address (a public-key paper-printed into QR code) into a physical ballot box.

After they all put their public-key into the ballot box, the ballot box is unsealed, and a committee counts the public keys found into the ballot box and finds them to be equal to the number of attendees. A list of all the attendees' public keys (that were found into the ballot box) is created, then everyone confirms that his key is inside the list. And if there is no objection by anyone, then the (final) valid list of public-keys(cryptowallet_adresses) is given/broadcasted to all the attendees. Then the doors of the room/hall/stadium open, and the procedure ends. From now on, whenever you see a public key from the list into the internet, you can be sure that this originates from an individual.

More than one meetings can occur in separated closed spaces, as long as they occur concurrently (or almost concurrently in case the one is located in Japan and the other in US), and a web of trust among these meetings can be established.

For more information, questions, bugs/issues of the procedure, read here:

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...ndividuality-to-be-implemented-in-dash.15946/

 
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ScioMind said:
Then you admit you are dishonest.
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Of course I am dishonest. Everybody is. God is the only truly honest one. Everyone else is partially honest and partially dishonest, but the percentages do matter when you want to characterize someone.

In any case, the farther you are from freedom, the more dishonest you are. If you serve freedom, then you can be named as slave of freedom, but in that case you are much more free than those who do not serve freedom.

"No one can serve two masters.
Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
You cannot serve both God and money."

 
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demo said:
My master is the same as your master. Dont you know who your master is?
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I have no master. I come here with my name, my cv, my research published. And I represent only myself.
But who are you?
Who is behind you?
Are you actually paid to come to this forum?
You speak about spies,and your behaviour is all but transparent.
 
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Pietro Speroni said:
I have no master.
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Of course you have a master. The one who decides that you should have one head, two hands, two legs, one mouth and two pair of ears used to listen only one voice at a time, this is your master.

Pietro Speroni said:
I come here with my name, my cv, my research published. And I represent only myself.
But who are you?
Who is behind you?
Are you actually paid to come to this forum?
You speak about spies,and your behaviour is all but transparent.
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I am demo. Nobody is behind me. I represent only myself, too. No I am not paid to come to this forum. My behavior is transparent. I am talking in public, I am not talking in secret/private channels like most of the other forum members are doing. You can read almost everything I said, my messages are all visible (except the ones deleted by the admins, but this is not my fault). And, against the will of the local majority, I am always asking this:
<vote history>
Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?
*yes 6 vote(s) 19.4%
no 20 vote(s) 64.5%
other 2 vote(s) 6.5%
Proof of potato(e). 3 vote(s) 9.7%
</vote history>


I have also created mnowatch , in order to preserve the vote history which is deleted in the dash network. Some masternodes owners want the vote history, and the crimes they did with their vote, to be forgotten.

So if you want to blame someone for lack of transparency, better search among those who voted against the proof of individuality, or among those who abstain from this poll, or among those who do not keep or delete the vote history.
 
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camosoul said:
I would like: "Proof of potato(e)."
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Hey @camosoul! Here is the proof of potato(e) you were asking for....




demo said:
Have a look at when the second and the third most rich dash wallet holders decided to sold all their dash. It was 22 Dec 2017!!!!! And have a look at the dash dollar price. At 21 Dec 2017 00:00 (Tokyo- Japan time, at the Land of the Rising Sun) the dollar price of Dash reached its highest peak (1642,22 USD)!!!! They obviously had internal info about the upcoming crypto crash!!!!! The theory that stupids and spies bought dash in order to crash it, has been proved.
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P.S. In the Northern Hemisphere, December 21 is usually the shortest day of the year and is sometimes regarded as the first day of winter. In the Southern Hemisphere, December 21 is usually the longest day of the year and occurs during the southern summer. I think that the 21 December was not selected by chance as the starting day of the crypto crash.
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<vote history>
Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?
*yes 6 vote(s) 18.8%
no 20 vote(s) 62.5%
other 2 vote(s) 6.3%
Proof of potato(e). 4 vote(s) 12.5%
</vote history>
 
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it was another "pleasure " reading / listing to this Demo .... (whatever u wanna call it)
shutting this down now
 
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