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Sub-Ether

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How can the genesis block be changed to darkcoin's after it has been created when everything else is connected to it already?
The exployer still shows,
14dcedae9369344e0542270805a0cef3213f2b17f693d9b2acec76c1b7ed7fa3
 

e1ghtSpace

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How can the genesis block be changed to darkcoin's after it has been created when everything else is connected to it already?
The exployer still shows,
14dcedae9369344e0542270805a0cef3213f2b17f693d9b2acec76c1b7ed7fa3
I heard that that genesis hash isn't even used in the wallet because the correct one is somewhere else. So it didn't matter.
 

Sub-Ether

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Yeah the darkcoin genesis hash string was unused in their wallet. Not a bug, simply dead weight.
Am wondering, if spreadcoin is a fork of Darkcoin, will El Spreado have to keep taking more upto date forks from version 11 and later in order to facilitate his proposed instant tx and/or masternodes, as its not debugged or completed yet, earlier versions would be unacceptable and also was on a litecoin fork before darkcoin core upgraded to bitcoin core or is he planning on staying with an early litecoin fork?
 

Sub-Ether

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''Regarding DarkCoin features, good news for those who want them is that SpreadCoin is based on DarkCoin, I didn't remove DarkCoin related features from source code but disabled them. They are now outdated because they are from DarkCoin version from the time when SpreadCoin was launched. This still means that it would be easier to integrate latest version than it would be if SpreadCoin was forked from some other coin.
> They had some issues when introducing masternodes, this was probably fixed in latest versions, I didn't followed it very closely. I need to be 100% sure that any new features will be safe and won't compromise that level security that we already have. I will review their code and see if it can be integrated in SpreadCoin.
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'! nRln3NihaE, why have you told him about darkkoin?'

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My Russian only consists of 1 word, but this does not sound promising on the google translate, can anyone explain better?
https://2ch.hk/cc/res/83780.html

must have lost something in the translation ;)

'ahaha this cock purchasing by Satoshi 20k at the start, and now in order to fight off the ass ryet loot.
for nyufagov: do not believe any of this nor huylu hohdu-cock virgin, which beckons from the very start of coins + 70% coin on the graphics card, while the coin positioned as CPU ONLY YOU, ONLY YOU which was reflected in the description of this Coin in the subject on the toilet which was subsequently renamed. now it Cudahy Truly DETSENTRALAYZD BUT PULSE. these two Laha try all soskamit but sosnuli to swallow, but it all a little. feed huyami these chmoshnikov and obossvayte until choke.
 

moli

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''Regarding DarkCoin features, good news for those who want them is that SpreadCoin is based on DarkCoin, I didn't remove DarkCoin related features from source code but disabled them. They are now outdated because they are from DarkCoin version from the time when SpreadCoin was launched. This still means that it would be easier to integrate latest version than it would be if SpreadCoin was forked from some other coin.
> They had some issues when introducing masternodes, this was probably fixed in latest versions, I didn't followed it very closely. I need to be 100% sure that any new features will be safe and won't compromise that level security that we already have. I will review their code and see if it can be integrated in SpreadCoin.
''
'! nRln3NihaE, why have you told him about darkkoin?'

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My Russian only consists of 1 word, but this does not sound promising on the google translate, can anyone explain better?
https://2ch.hk/cc/res/83780.html

must have lost something in the translation ;)

'ahaha this cock purchasing by Satoshi 20k at the start, and now in order to fight off the ass ryet loot.
for nyufagov: do not believe any of this nor huylu hohdu-cock virgin, which beckons from the very start of coins + 70% coin on the graphics card, while the coin positioned as CPU ONLY YOU, ONLY YOU which was reflected in the description of this Coin in the subject on the toilet which was subsequently renamed. now it Cudahy Truly DETSENTRALAYZD BUT PULSE. these two Laha try all soskamit but sosnuli to swallow, but it all a little. feed huyami these chmoshnikov and obossvayte until choke.
LOL...........
Light, help! lol
 

vertoe

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Am wondering, if spreadcoin is a fork of Darkcoin, will El Spreado have to keep taking more upto date forks from version 11 and later in order to facilitate his proposed instant tx and/or masternodes, as its not debugged or completed yet, earlier versions would be unacceptable and also was on a litecoin fork before darkcoin core upgraded to bitcoin core or is he planning on staying with an early litecoin fork?
They are still on the litecoin fork which is no longer followed by darkcoin. they would have to do a fresh fork if they want to keep up the pace with darkcoin.

I can't answer your question directed at spread devs, but their github does not really show much activity, so either they are developing in the dark or arent developing at all.
 

Sub-Ether

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They are still on the litecoin fork which is no longer followed by darkcoin. they would have to do a fresh fork if they want to keep up the pace with darkcoin.

I can't answer your question directed at spread devs, but their github does not really show much activity, so either they are developing in the dark or arent developing at all.
Methinks they have bitten off more than they can chew. Did you notice the cyclical nature of their github updates, its happens in a monthly cycle.
 

flare

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Actually this is excactly what i was thinking of how to create a SPR pool: Create a private pool with registered users, who confirm to return their earnings to the pool.
 

stonehedge

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To be fair, what prevents any pool from stealing your coins?

The only issues I have with spreadcoin are the Anonymous dev and the claim that it is decentralised and pool free. I do not believe that just by adding the requirement to sign a share with your private key will decentralise mining. If anything, it is on its way to being as bad as having multipools. No point mining with you 10MH/s rig with the difficulty as it is...
 

stonehedge

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Spread isn't dead. Masternode testing starts tomorrow and ITX within a few weeks. ;)
 

MyFarm

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Spreadcoin is far from dead and we're not grieving. Spreadcoin's future is pretty simple. The dev claims he is creating an improved masternode system that will not require reference nodes and will not fork if enforcement is off. If he does that, we're golden. If he doesn't, then the coin will likely be DOA. In my opinion, the whole no pools aspect doesn't matter. The market determined that the value of no pools was around $150,000 in marketcap which is not interesting to me.

If Spreadcoin ends up with a superior masternode implementation to Darkcoin, things get interesting. If not, it'll join the growing altcoin graveyard. Regardless, I own plenty of DRK and SPR though so it doesn't really matter to me who gets it right first.
 
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flare

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yes I also thought so. If the pool cant make it technically happen that reward gets shared, they can just use a security deposit (deposit 6 spr allows mining in pool).

So I like the idea of SPR, but their basic approach seems so weak. I am curious what the answer to the nonce-pool will be
Exactly. You could even think about a pool, using collateral, e.g. before the pool accept your mining shares, you have to deposit x coins into your account. If you found a block, this deposit is used to pay all pool members shares. Rinse and repeat.

Or let the pool members mine into a multisig address, which only the pool can pay out.
 

e1ghtSpace

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Exactly. You could even think about a pool, using collateral, e.g. before the pool accept your mining shares, you have to deposit x coins into your account. If you found a block, this deposit is used to pay all pool members shares. Rinse and repeat.

Or let the pool members mine into a multisig address, which only the pool can pay out.
I posted that twice and the comeback was "what if they mine 2 blocks and steal, you would need them to deposit 600 spr for the coins to mature"
My answer was they they can doublespend. lol
 

stonehedge

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Either way, SPR just doesn't seem to meet the pool-less decentralized expectations that it has set for itself. I know the pie chart that shows top 20 miners looks a lot healthier than Darkcoin's but it won't stay that way if SPR becomes more profitable to mine. The main two reasons I haven't bought into SPR (well, I did have some but sold) is that the dev is anon and that so far it is turning out to be anything but pool-less and decentralized and that was obviously going to be the case from the beginning. The model doesn't, imho, work.

The interesting thing is how Mr Spread is going to deal with masternodes and I suppose we find that out when Testnet is fired up today.
 
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flare

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The interesting thing is how Mr Spread is going to deal with masternodes and I suppose we find that out when Testnet is fired up today.
What i got so far is that he is storing the masternode votes in the blockchain - something Darkcoin has done 8 month ago and led to the RC3 fork, as the votes are not deterministic and two blocks can be solved at almost the same time.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/6-20-rc3-post-mortem.1463/

Curious how he will solve this problem, which haunted Evan for weeks and finally was solved by not storing the votes in the chain.

Code:
In SpreadCoin all votes for masternodes will be stored in blocks and the payee will be uniquely determined from previous blocks. Just like you can check that any transaction included in the block is correct by comparing its inputs with outputs in previous blocks you will be able to check that masternode payment is correct by checking previous blocks.
 
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stonehedge

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To prevent there being a permanent record of the masternode network at any given moment in time?
 

e1ghtSpace

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What i got so far is that he is storing the masternode votes in the blockchain - something Darkcoin has done 8 month ago and led to the RC3 fork, as the votes are not deterministic and two blocks can be solved at almost the same time.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/6-20-rc3-post-mortem.1463/

Curious how he will solve this problem, which haunted Evan for weeks and finally was solved by not storing the votes in the chain.

Code:
In SpreadCoin all votes for masternodes will be stored in blocks and the payee will be uniquely determined from previous blocks. Just like you can check that any transaction included in the block is correct by comparing its inputs with outputs in previous blocks you will be able to check that masternode payment is correct by checking previous blocks.
Maybe he will make the votes deterministic.