The only scripts available are in bash, and are used to search the blockchain and produce the list of crowdnode addresses.@vazaki3 How much of these scripts are in bash or something? I haven't looked any further than a blink. Is there a case to document / rewrite some bits to make it more accessible, to maybe encourage others to contribute?
That is true but atleast its better the other alternatives i seen.BrightID is using an app, installed in your telephone. You will get verified on BrightID based on your social relationships and the communities you belong to. These are presented to BrightID with your connections and the groups you create or join. If someone discovers the real identity of one of your connections, he can start tracing back and may discover your real identity too. This is what facebook also does. So BrightID is yet another soft KYC solution.
I dont like soft KYC solutions, because anonymity is my number one priority.
I agree also, its both!Dash is an economy. That implies both social and financial issues. You're both right.
This is sort of scarry to read.And you are right. This is not a product for the friends and family. This product is targeted for quite specifically experienced developers and engineers.
So, unless your relatives and friends are hardcore-blockchain devs, there is no need to mention about the platform.
This goes back to when i ask who are we competing with? ETH? AVAX? BSC/SOL/ALG.....Why scary @vampyren?
Use case for software development platform is to create software on top of it.
Created software can have almost unlimited number of use cases. It depends on the business needs of the developers.
These are good questions, but even Product Managers get it wrong sometimes, Luna/Terra. What was the point of learning about Quantum Mechanics? Well nothing at first, but ultimately that understanding is what under pins computers. It's hard to know exactly what use cases Platform will have because it is so versatile. Consider Ethereum for example, when it first launched you knew it as the 'world computer', but even so, you had no idea that its main use case would be to scam people in particular ICOs in 2017 and NFTs in 2021. Can you guess the next scam on Ethereum for the 2024 bull run?This goes back to when i ask who are we competing with? ETH? AVAX? BSC/SOL/ALG.....
If so why would anyone go with our platform? what is the killer application that would attract devs? With so so so many competition out there which have much deeper pockets and are way way ahead of us. Sure its never to late to get into the game but you need to offer something that is 10x better then the rest. Do we have that? What is it?
It's one thing to add the possibility to make our core value (digital cash) even better but its another to risk what we want to be best at and jump into a new field that is already overcrowded.
So again why do we push for platform so hard? Can you even give me 3 top whatever that you think will make Dash better?
What would the data need be for that? The cost if we run on 1k nodes?
Don't want to be disrespectful or rude or anything but Has anyone actually thought about these things before jumping into development? (again i remind you that i'm a product manager so i think first what is the usecase, value and why we do this even before talking tech)...
I know i'm very late into the game and we spent a ton on this but i really like to understand this in order to support what we are doing.
1st usecase. A replicated governance tree.I still struggle to even get the basic. Can you or anyone give me 3 usecases for platform as a end user?
2nd usecase. An irrefutable decentralized search engine, that will compete google's (controled by agents and companies) or mnowatch's (controled by me and @xkcd ) centralized search engines.4) Turn the Dashplatform profitable by creating an app that will support the creation of a Dash knowledge tree. This decision tree will be replicated everywhere in the platform and people will vote/pray on it, add or delete branches of it, and comment on it (by paying the relevant platform fee). <-- governance without amanda's chief
5) Make the tree an absolute commitment for all the developers of DCG, so that no DCG development is allowed in case there is not a relevant branch of the tree that allows it. <-- accountable developers
The Dashplatform is something similar to the OP_return mnowatch page. The Dashplatform is a blockchain, like bitcoin or dash is, but extremely searchable (in contrast to bitcoin or dash). Of course people could search extremely the blockchain in privacy, as you did, and in that case the extreme searching capabilities of DashPlatform may be considered as obsolete. But are they? DashPlatform makes the blockchain searching public, available to anyone and most importantly offers a public search that is irrefutable and uncensorable .
Searching in Mnowatch OP_RETURN page is not irrefutable, because someone may claim that not all OP_RETURN content resides in mnowatch, and that some content have been excluded from the search.
This property of irrefutable uncensorable public search that Dashplatform offers, gives an advantage over any other search engine (google included)
Sure there is no guarantee even PM's get it wrong sometimes. But we need to ask the questions. Who is the competetor? I still don't know the answer.These are good questions, but even Product Managers get it wrong sometimes, Luna/Terra. What was the point of learning about Quantum Mechanics? Well nothing at first, but ultimately that understanding is what under pins computers. It's hard to know exactly what use cases Platform will have because it is so versatile.
Exactly! Considering we still spend allot on Platform, do you think its to late to change course now?Use cases is one thing but finding the killer use cases is something entirely different. Personally, I don't see how anyone can know with certainty. We do know that dash wallet and treasury will move to it, but that's too self-serving. I will say, though, that a lot of what Platform does can be achieved through Bullet Proofs and Zero Knowledge Proofs. Generalized ZKPs are advancing quite a bit now, it's just that DCG don't have enough technical ability to deal with it, so they built Platform instead.
The backstory is, Evan had these ideas of how to make dash "so easy your grandmother could use it". It was fueled by community members such as myself because that also was exactly my first thought on crypto in general. Evan mentioned usernames and savings accounts and actual physical branches you could walk into for help. MNOs would eventually run dedicated hardware and everything would be funded from the treasury, a money printing machine that would feed itself and keep growing into a monster money machine. Global domination.Who is the competetor? I still don't know the answer.
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If we had some specific usecases in mind why don't we simply build towards that instead of making something very generic. I remember working at Ericsson long way back. This was actually the reason their mobile division went belly up. Instead of focusing on making a product that simply worked they did a huge generic monster that never got ready or was good enough. And in the end no one wanted it since it was inferior in many ways.
I don't want us to do the same misstake!
From what source did you get this timeline?The coming timeline looks something like this:
1. Establish 4K HPMNs.
2. Remove 1K MNs because 4K HPMNs do everything anyway.
3. Establish 10K HPMNs because that was always the magic number.
4. Move completely to Proof of Stake, HPMNs being the largest controlling share holders.
5. To get in bed with financial institutions, HPMNs will voluntarily filter Platform content and in the process overcompensate to please their masters.
6. Game over.
The Large Hadron Collider, which was sold and moved to China in the year 2027 was able to send the info back via the Quantum Interchain Wormhole.From what source did you get this timeline?
I think i remember the days when Evan and i think even amanda_b_johnson talked about the wallet with username / picture and how it would be very simple to use. That would be the killer app for making Dash truly useful for everyday user or your grandma.The backstory is, Evan had these ideas of how to make dash "so easy your grandmother could use it". It was fueled by community members such as myself because that also was exactly my first thought on crypto in general. Evan mentioned usernames and savings accounts and actual physical branches you could walk into for help. MNOs would eventually run dedicated hardware and everything would be funded from the treasury, a money printing machine that would feed itself and keep growing into a monster money machine. Global domination.
After Evan left, DCG spent years scratching their head trying to build a foundation. They tried this several times, over the years abandoning and rebuilding. After a few years they decided what they wanted could be generalized resulting in the current stack that can not efficiently be run by just a few thousands nodes that the network already has in place.
The comparison with Ericsson is spot on. Ironically, Erlang, explicitly built (largely) by Ericsson to massively scale network programming. What can we say about competing programming languages that won market share despite their shortcomings?
One of the benefits cited for Platform is the result set proofs, that the returned data is actually complete. What is the killer app for this feature? I suspect the truth is, the growing toolsets for generalized ZKPs is fast outpacing what Platform is doing without the need for a very small federated network (HPMNs).
Not to mention the content filtering coming to Platform, required because data privacy was never considered essential.
The coming timeline looks something like this:
1. Establish 4K HPMNs.
2. Remove 1K MNs because 4K HPMNs do everything anyway.
3. Establish 10K HPMNs because that was always the magic number.
4. Move completely to Proof of Stake, HPMNs being the largest controlling share holders.
5. To get in bed with financial institutions, HPMNs will voluntarily filter Platform content and in the process overcompensate to please their masters.
6. Game over.
I am not sure why are you writting such crap then. This doesn’t do anything positive but pushes people away instead.The Large Hadron Collider, which was sold and moved to China in the year 2027 was able to send the info back via the Quantum Interchain Wormhole.
Proper wallets with a friendly user interface was always the goal, ZKP are dangerous in the long term when it comes to getting cracked, it bye bye to the whole network and its history, that simply the trade-off of of having a oppaque blockchain. Data contracts are something totally different, the point your making is so stupid it brins into question everything you said up to this point even do quite allot makes sense.Use cases is one thing but finding the killer use cases is something entirely different. Personally, I don't see how anyone can know with certainty. We do know that dash wallet and treasury will move to it, but that's too self-serving. I will say, though, that a lot of what Platform does can be achieved through Bullet Proofs and Zero Knowledge Proofs. Generalized ZKPs are advancing quite a bit now, it's just that DCG don't have enough technical ability to deal with it, so they built Platform instead.
I was actually responding how your are confusing how ZKP's are apply, but appearently you realized that datasize storage requirements are different than privacy.@Adding1kDash this topic is about Platform not circulating supply. You are confusing how ZKPs are applied.
There is no question if ZKPs work, the math is not disputed. The application and implementation is very important. This means, in an economy where you need to prove that no extra coins were mined, then yes, the void between opaque and random strings has not been sufficiently reconciled (though there has been substantial progress). This is exactly why I always say people need to hold both types of assets because of this lack of reconciliation.
Having said that - and a little off-topic - there are mechanisms to keep the circulating supply in check, though the methods are not the same as transparent chains.
In any event, you will notice my comment was highlighted to mention use cases. There are several projects doing what Platform does. Take a look at ProvenDB. Of course, it won't meet Sam's standards but this is still about use cases and killer apps.
I know and explained all this but again you are talking about ZKPs in the context of money creation and I am not. ZKPs doesn't only apply to blockchain money. Re-read what I said, this is a discussion about Platform.I was actually responding how your are confusing how ZKP's are apply, but appearently you realized that datasize storage requirements are different than privacy.
We can debate the topic all the but I will stand with the following facts
1) almost all code ever made had some mistakes in it, many unknow unknows including backdoors, and later to invented ways to abuse/miss-use software.
2)If the blockchain is transparant you will always an instantly see abuse/hacks/attacks that make changes in the blockchain, there is an added risk for opaque blockchain no matter how clever the protections systems are in place.
How large are those risks ? well nobody can give you the numbers with 100% certainty. Which means a risk even well below 1% could bring in hyper inflation and complete destruction of a coins value, which is acceptable risk, however this is not for crypto as currency. Centralisation such as Sam will now be adding Dash platform is also totally unacceptable, it's very sad to see this happen as it means dash will likely be losing it nr1 spot for crypto as currency in the coming time.