I would add: more people -> more investments -> bigger price of DASH -> bigger monthly budget (for development of Evolution also)You build it, and I will help get them to come!
I would add: more people -> more investments -> bigger price of DASH -> bigger monthly budget (for development of Evolution also)You build it, and I will help get them to come!
Thanks for the kind wordsAndy, first of all, let me say I'm appreciating you joining us and sharing your talents. I'm rapt with anticipation of the wonders that are to come with Dash next-generation technology. That's one of the things that motivate me to work hard each day and stay on top of all things Dash.
In response to your question, my community-building efforts don't impact Evolution directly, save for the fact that I actively seek developers online as well (without much success yet). However, without my efforts and the efforts of others who I have inspired, we would have much less people who know about, much less care about Evolution. When it is finally released, we will have a bigger user base to sing its praises, and in turn, attract a proportionately larger following after it is released.
You build it, and I will help get them to come!
Thanks for your question, and I hope I will have your support. Cheers!
Here is one possible answer:@TaoOfSatoshi: Just one question from me:
How does creating this new role speed up Evolution development?
yes i'm totally down with Tao's promotion side, and the more budget for development betterHere is one possible answer:
DashNation hopefully attracts additional interest in Dash >
Additional interest hopefully motivates more investment in Dash >
More investment probably creates higher market price of Dash >
Higher market price does results in larger monthly budget >
Larger budget hopefully provides greater Evo funding >
Greater Evo funding > ...well, you get the idea ?
Ah, I understand... what you are asking is:yes i'm totally down with Tao's promotion side, and the more budget for development better
it's the project time i'm worried about e.g.
"Enhance communication between the core team and community."
well that needs people time. and we already have liaisons inside the core team. why make a role just outside the core team for communication, why not just join the core team, otherwise Tao will liaise with core team liaisons, who will be tapping up devs for more information. seems convoluted to me.
yes, most people would be quite shocked to how many various "core team" meetings are going on (actually different groups with some cross over meeting face to face different days each week on webex with a ton of reporting, spreadsheets, documents, finances, kind of like high level board meetings) and if a liaison isn't plugged into that it will double up everyone's work having to find out stuff and relay that etc etc (and we already have people publishing this info anyway)Ah, I understand... what you are asking is:
why make a role just outside the core team for communication?
why not just join the core team?
Those are good questions.
This is exactly it. A larger community leads to increased demand, and a stronger network effect which giving people something to represent and feel passionate about only makes stronger. I already see it in the Russian division of Dash Nation!I would add: more people -> more investments -> bigger price of DASH -> bigger monthly budget (for development of Evolution also)
Thank you for your kind words. Most of the questions I see would not take a lot of time to answer, and I would strive to answer them within 24-48 hours. A quick PM would more than suffice in most cases.Thanks for the kind wordsYou don't need to thank me though or justify yourself, you are the biggest promoter of Dash and I think everyone appreciates that
Not sure about this one though. My spider senses are telling me there is more work like meetings, chats, emails or postings hidden in there somewhere. I mean we already have several weekly meetings and reporting to do and several official liasons etc etc. If this goes through, what kind of time will you be using of other devs or non-devs (because their time is largely to help devs)?
That's the plan! It's worked so far. Dash Nation is going to be a big user of Dash, obviously, and will spread the word about Dash in all the ways it can, online and in person.Here is one possible answer:
DashNation hopefully attracts additional interest in Dash >
Additional interest hopefully motivates more investment in Dash >
More investment probably creates higher market price of Dash >
Higher market price does results in larger monthly budget >
Larger budget hopefully provides greater Evo funding >
Greater Evo funding > ...well, you get the idea ?
Yes, I can see that, but the community co-ordination is only one aspect of my role. Honestly, I feel that my time invested promoting should be worth something, considering my results and investment I've brought in. So, I took on another role I saw a need for, and made it a package deal. Bill 101 if you will...yes i'm totally down with Tao's promotion side, and the more budget for development better
it's the project time i'm worried about e.g.
"Enhance communication between the core team and community."
well that needs people time. and we already have liaisons inside the core team. why make a role just outside the core team for communication, why not just join the core team, otherwise Tao will liaise with core team liaisons, who will be tapping up devs for more information. seems convoluted to me.
My position as a non-official liaison would make me better suited to communicate with both sides. I'd like to think I have both side's trust by now, and I would use my skills to good effect to keep everyone informed, and to bring legitimate community concerns to the core team.Ah, I understand... what you are asking is:
why make a role just outside the core team for communication?
why not just join the core team?
Those are good questions.
Sure. I'm aware that my time would be better spent with promotion, which would be the major portion of how my time would be spent. I just see the need for better communication in Dash. So, if you support me, you're getting a highly motivated spokesperson, and someone who is actively looking at the social channels to see if there are any questions or legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. I made it a trial for that very reason you stated, if I don't do exactly as I proposed, I would expect to not be renewed. But I ask for the Masternodes to let me walk my talk, if you know what I mean."both sides"......"bring legitimate community concerns to the core team"...this is really political Tao. We need to be looking outside of Dash and building our market and ignoring the concern-trolls, not setting up an official spokesperson to build a bridge between them and the people building the software. I know you're trying to help but this might not go the way you're thinking and i'm sure there is more overhead for development here somewhere![]()
I already have to spend a significant amount of time working with existing liaisons, for reporting, project management, strategy, progress reporting, updates, meetings etc.@AndyDark, having Tao act as an agreeable liaison will reduce the amount of time that developers will be spending on "concern trolls". I think many of us can be convinced to allow Tao to help vet feedback to make sure it is appropriate and constructive. If dealing with so many people one on one is not a good use of your time, then having Tao take on this role is an opportunity for you to not feel the need to respond to just anything that gets thrown at you. I know it can be exhausting trying to actually understand the substance of what another person is really trying to communicate at the same time as disregarding any snarky jabs. I would trust Tao to keep a lookout for when something like this is happening and to help get things straight to the real point.
I would point out that if a "concern" were to be taken to the MNs to be decided in a democratic way, this can and already has been interpreted by core developers as unnecessary and antagonistic when most matters can be resolved without MNs. In Amanda's thread Evan has already suggested a procedure for handling things like this, and MN vote is intended to be only used if the other avenues fail.I already have to spend a significant amount of time working with existing liaisons, for reporting, project management, strategy, progress reporting, updates, meetings etc.
Adding another liaison is not going to reduce my workload, it will increase it. Plus if that liaison's job is to condense "concerns" from forum members, that is really not speeding up Evolution development.
It is the Network that is governing Dash, and Evolution has a mandate to do the work as per the Network approved proposals / specs.
That governance is protected by cost - small minorities cannot change specs / structure / work / actions, only the people with the real interest in Dash can collectively.
Concern on forums is really not a major concern of mine that I will be putting time into, either on the forum or talking to anyone appointed to bringing those concerns to my attention.
Those concerns should be brought directly to the network and dealt with in a democratic way, what's happening here is potentially an attack vector where a small troll group like we had on BCT could essentially flood the forums at low cost and actually start to effect relay change / disrupt development without needing the masternodes to do so.
This is a green card to have an open channel that allows bypassing the network governance potentially in my opinion, which is why I am warning Tao of how this might go, because obviously Tao is one of our best contributors in the community and I want to protect his time / value and mine too.
Tao, please focus on your social media work which is adding a lot of value. I for one don't want me or my team having more meetings / liaising especially with the kind of parties you are proposing we liaise with.
Dash Nation's goals are EXACTLY the same as Dash's. It doesn't have its own agenda as it exists because of Dash. It is simply a gathering of like-minded people who are attracted to that sense of belonging, and passion for something. We are a global community of Dash fans, doing what we can to promote it, and based on what you wrote here, I'd love to have you on the team. Enhancing Dash's message will always be the goal of Dash Nation.Only that I truly believe that "nation" thingy creates a branding clash, for the lack of a better word, with the main message Dash gives to the world as it presents itself "as the next big thing": a privacy centric digital cash.
Some do, but honestly, outside of these forums, the ideas I have brought forth are getting great feedback. Also, not everyone here disagrees either. When I first ran the poll asking "Would you like to be a part of Dash Nation?", the overwhelming majority said YES.some people have issue with two terms you're using, "Dash Nation" and another, in your proposal, "Community Lead".
This is exactly the goal of Dash Nation, I just chose to give it a less boring name. The goals align however, and if you would like to bury the hatchet, realize that Dash Nation will be a thing, we'd love to have you on board, helping us out.Why don't you tweak those terms / roles and revive the Dash Ambassadors Program?
You can lead them
This is the crux of the problem as I see it. You view Dash Nation as its own unique entity, and that people that join are fans of Dash Nation, not Dash. This is incorrect. People who join Red Sox Nation are the biggest passionate fans of the Boston Red Sox, buying season tickets, buying merchandise, following them on the road, and contributing to the team's bottom line, while encouraging others to do so as well. Can you see the correlation, and what I'm trying to accomplish with Dash Nation? Only this baby is global, and will be Red Sox Nation x1,000,000! Dash is the reason for Dash Nation, make no mistake., not to be "just" a part of a nation that does not have clearly defined goal (I am really not discounting the passion and am getting the idea behind, despite my disagreement over its branding flaw as I see it, but if I root for the Red Sox Nation for example and am a member of the fan club, what am I really doing for the Red Sox development)
These are great suggestions. "Proud members of Dash Nation" would make for great stickers and promotional materials, eye-catching and great conversation starters. Please help us.(anyone who has a service or product to sell can offer a discount if paid in DASH -- I'll start first. I am giving a 50% OFF my SEO services if paid in DASH. Promote it. Anyone knows something and can offers something; take @bigrcanada wine for example. He sells it for Dash, so get a discount and from him as a commission for Dash Ambassadors that sell his wine for Dash;
I completely agree.what matters is the message not the format)
That is one of the mandates of www.dashnation.com. We actively seek out Dash news and put it in one easy to follow place, coincidentally with its own newsletter, which you think is a good idea.we have a need for a concise information in one place. It is difficult, even for us lunatics to follow so much information spread out so many places.
Thank you. You have given me some great ideas, and like @TheDashGuy said, it would be great if you could give us pointers. Good luck with Dash World as well!These are my 2 duffs. Take them at their worth or shrug them at will.
Good luck in all that you do![]()
Not all concerns are legit. I have been here enough and have the sense to know which ones need to be addressed and which ones are there to stir up trouble. You can count on me to be an effective filter. You are busy, and I wouldn't dream of hindering your progress (or mine for that matter).I already have to spend a significant amount of time working with existing liaisons, for reporting, project management, strategy, progress reporting, updates, meetings etc.
Adding another liaison is not going to reduce my workload, it will increase it. Plus if that liaison's job is to condense "concerns" from forum members, that is really not speeding up Evolution development.
It is the Network that is governing Dash, and Evolution has a mandate to do the work as per the Network approved proposals / specs.
That governance is protected by cost - small minorities cannot change specs / structure / work / actions, only the people with the real interest in Dash can collectively.
Concern on forums is really not a major concern of mine that I will be putting time into, either on the forum or talking to anyone appointed to bringing those concerns to my attention.
Those concerns should be brought directly to the network and dealt with in a democratic way, what's happening here is potentially an attack vector where a small troll group like we had on BCT could essentially flood the forums at low cost and actually start to effect relay change / disrupt development without needing the masternodes to do so.
This is a green card to have an open channel that allows bypassing the network governance potentially in my opinion, which is why I am warning Tao of how this might go, because obviously Tao is one of our best contributors in the community and I want to protect his time / value and mine too.
Tao, please focus on your social media work which is adding a lot of value. I for one don't want me or my team having more meetings / liaising especially with the kind of parties you are proposing we liaise with.
I'm sorry you feel that way. While I am not responsible for a lot of what's going on, I respect your opinion. Maybe over time, I can win your vote back. I'm currently concentrating on what's made me so successful, which is community building and helping others around the Dashsphere. Watch me for the next couple of weeks, you'll see what I'm about. Don't give up on me, yet!I´m very sorry but since the last neverending polemic with core slack channel and thedashguy I will change my votes to no. I think it´s not appropiate to try to be a leader by disruption and propaganda.
Thank you for your kind words. I will do just that.I want to thank you for all our past efforts and I greatly encourage you to continue doing the right things you are doing because you are an invaluable asset to Dash but I think perhaps that´s not the right moment nor the right way to do it.
I can see your point. If this proposal does not pass, I will look into making another one that deals with compensating me for my time and results, without making it so political.I've got nothing against Tao. I also don't care about the drama. I just don't see the good in creating an unneeded office and appointing one's self to it. No matter who it is. I hate bureaucracy.
This is essentially a vote to create an office for someone who has already appointed himself to it. I don't care who you are, what you've done, what your name is; that's a bad idea. I dislike the precedent and concept that this creates, not the person.
Dear Tao~ Like you said, you have already helped lots of people. To me, with or without any title, you can still doing the same thing here. So keep rolling~To be what we should be, to do what we should do. I was inspired by all of the volunteers(like you) in the Community. Doing the best i can to make the project better. This time i did vote No this time, simply because i know you can do so much better next time. Yep~ if this turns out not to be the way to do it. Think carefully, gather all the suggestions, try next time~ You are approved by many members who you once helped, they voted yes for thank you because of the MN setup guide you wrote. keep doing in that way~ the main goal of proposal is Help the Community members, right?I can see your point. If this proposal does not pass, I will look into making another one that deals with compensating me for my time and results, without making it so political.
I just want to contribute to Dash and grow a community of engaged and passionate people, as I have been doing, and be valued by the network for my hard work. If this turns out not to be the way to do it, I will try again. I've never been a quitter!
Thank you for your comments, Camo.
Do you know what DASH does need?I can see your point. If this proposal does not pass, I will look into making another one that deals with compensating me for my time and results, without making it so political.
I just want to contribute to Dash and grow a community of engaged and passionate people, as I have been doing, and be valued by the network for my hard work. If this turns out not to be the way to do it, I will try again. I've never been a quitter!
Thank you for your comments, Camo.