October 2015 Budget Proposal

eduffield

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It’s that time again, here are the budget proposals for this month. We’ve made some great progress which should be visible in the next 2-3 months. It’s going to take a bit, because we need a ton of work done all at the same time to achieve the results we’re looking for.

Previous Items:

Electrum Client/Server Implementation - Part 2 - Final

The electrum client has been implemented and is done. We should have this released soon, then I will make the final payment to the developers for $750.

Core Team Budget - $2904 - 1176 DASH
Foundation Creation - $3500 (of $7000) - Part 2 - Final
Public Awareness Campaign - $5500


More information:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/budget-proposal-promotion-reimbursement-core-team.6006/

New Proposal Items:

Liquidity Providers - $300

Being a liquidity provider for the network is a great benefit, but it comes at a cost to the people that provide the service for the network. We would like to encourage providing liquidity to the network by paying 5 people about $50 a month in Dash, plus $50/mo for our manager of the program (yidakee has agreed to manage this). Each party will be paid the budget divided by six.

Website and Design - $5000+ - Part 1 of 2

We have contracted a company to design our new fancy website and develop the software to run it. This is going to be quite the improvement over our existing website and we look forward to showing everyone!

Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.



October Budget:




Three of four proposals are up! Please vote if you can:

#electrum-pt-2
mnbudget vote-many d06d273364938cd2083d6f46264c05d38ff7b96c5705604e709f2b4a0e26e0e3 yes

#foundation-pt-2
mnbudget vote-many 244bd3d4a71fa44d76d1299d6d9c45512cd9807f5a1387ca77f13025bf2a8dd6 yes

#website-pt-1
mnbudget vote-many 8387cdff019c2ebed75b33444ce5bcb27ddd8f6e56c00ec001957eefc931407b yes

#liquidity-providers
mnbudget vote-many 74d557df5d62ea9e3ef1b26a2cbab3b4e71032d7f9480ea773aa9d87d1aecb5e yes
 
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Solarminer

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Any development on wallets for mobile phones? I know there are a few priliminary versions. I would suggest finalizing and testing these over website design. Mobile wallets are often the very first time someone will see DASH in action, they need to be good.
 

fible1

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Im curious: What will the website design and coding include in terms of features? 10k seems like a lot for a website, at least to me.

Pablo.
 
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eduffield

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Im curious: What will the website design and coding include in terms of features? 10k seems like a lot for a website, at least to me.

Pablo.
The design portion is $2500 and we're just estimating the development portion is about the same. I don't think it will be much over $5k. Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.

As for features? It's going to be a rails site, setup something like wordpress, but much more extendable .
 

Solarminer

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Im curious: What will the website design and coding include in terms of features? 10k seems like a lot for a website, at least to me.
Pablo.
The design portion is $2500 and we're just estimating the development portion is about the same. I don't think it will be much over $5k. Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.

As for features? It's going to be a rails site, setup something like wordpress, but much more extendable .
I will add that any website changes need to be clearly designed for mobile devices. (Still not in favor of spending anything on web stuff until mobile wallets are polished or there is some reason to wait to finish them.)

5K isn't out of line for a website, but paying more doesn't mean the quality is any better. Why not make a contest out of the webdesign? Entrants will post a full page picture of the completed main webpage. Pick the best design and then pay them to finish the other parts.
 

eduffield

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I will add that any website changes need to be clearly designed for mobile devices. (Still not in favor of spending anything on web stuff until mobile wallets are polished or there is some reason to wait to finish them.)
Absolutely, it will be mobile friendly. As for polishing mobile devices? We're working on that, it will become clear soon enough.
 
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It’s that time again, here are the budget proposals for this month. We’ve made some great progress which should be visible in the next 2-3 months. It’s going to take a bit, because we need a ton of work done all at the same time to achieve the results we’re looking for.

Previous Items:

Electrum Client/Server Implementation - Part 2 - Final

The electrum client has been implemented and is done. We should have this released soon, then I will make the final payment to the developers for $750.

Core Team Budget - $2904 - 1176 DASH
Foundation Creation - $3500 (of $7000) - Part 2 - Final
Public Awareness Campaign - $5500


More information:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/budget-proposal-promotion-reimbursement-core-team.6006/

New Proposal Items:

Liquidity Providers - $300

Being a liquidity provider for the network is a great benefit, but it comes at a cost to the people that provide the service for the network. We would like to encourage providing liquidity to the network by paying 5 people about $50 a month in Dash, plus $50/mo for our manager of the program (yidakee has agreed to manage this). Each party will be paid the budget divided by six.

Website and Design - $5000+ - Part 1 of 2

We have contracted a company to design our new fancy website and develop the software to run it. This is going to be quite the improvement over our existing website and we look forward to showing everyone!

Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.
I really like the October Budget, that new website is critical. Can't wait to see where we go in a couple months when the budget opens up :D
 

noobtrader

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i wonder if liquidity provider reward can be implemented in system. but amount in the reward is small (or be determined by voting) per 10 dash, so if 1 address has 1000, it only receive reward for 10. while 10 address with 10 dash receive full reward each.
 
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TanteStefana

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I'm glad to see we're getting closer to filling up those available slots for coins. I hate to see so many burned! You got my support!
 
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Walter

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The design portion is $2500 and we're just estimating the development portion is about the same. I don't think it will be much over $5k. Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.

As for features? It's going to be a rails site, setup something like wordpress, but much more extendable .

$5k seems reasonable to me. I own and run an IT Managed Services Provider so know the industry well. I've seen some horrors with cowboy operators ripping companies off for 10's of thousands of $$$. The ruby rails framework is also an excellent choice, the website will not only look and feel professional, it'll have a superb back end that will scale as interest in Dash rockets.

I'm sure some may argue that it could be done cheaper (the current one was done on a shoestring and looks ok) but the bottom line is that we want a professional, slick website to get our message across so a few $ is not a lot of outlay in the scheme of things.

Got my vote! :D

Walter
 

eduffield

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3/4 of the proposals are up! Please Vote!

#electrum-pt-2
mnbudget vote-many d06d273364938cd2083d6f46264c05d38ff7b96c5705604e709f2b4a0e26e0e3 yes

#foundation-pt-2
mnbudget vote-many 244bd3d4a71fa44d76d1299d6d9c45512cd9807f5a1387ca77f13025bf2a8dd6 yes

#website-pt-1
mnbudget vote-many 8387cdff019c2ebed75b33444ce5bcb27ddd8f6e56c00ec001957eefc931407b yes
 

alex-ru

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I would like to remind everyone: When you publish on forums and so on information about your voting - it becomes corresponding (by timestamp) with voting registry - so you are in fact declaring to the whole world - "This particular masternode(-s) is mine!"
Not good in terms of financial and "shareholder" privacy.
 

alex-ru

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I'm sure some may argue that it could be done cheaper (the current one was done on a shoestring and looks ok) but the bottom line is that we want a professional, slick website to get our message across so a few $ is not a lot of outlay in the scheme of things.
I think USA is not the best place to spend money, in general. It may be more effective to outsource expenses (when possible) for "cheaper regions".
In Eastern Europe, Russia, ... prices is much lower (I guess), for the same results.
For example USD/Rubles ratio dropped about twice during the last year, and ruble prices for things like web design are staying on the same level...
 
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alex-ru

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Do we really need to limit the number of liquidity providers?

The more the better, I guess? If somebody is ready to do the same work cheaper - why do we limit them?
So we may limit total budget - OK, and than the more people will join the less will get each of them - there will be a kind of natural balancing (manager will be "balancing" it)...

And what about support for TestNet and "TestNet managers"? Will it be in October Budget?
 
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yidakee

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Do we really need to limit the number of liquidity providers?

The more the better, I guess? If somebody is ready to do the same work cheaper - why do we limit them?
So we may limit total budget - OK, and than the more people will join the less will get each of them - there will be a kind of natural balancing (manager will be "balancing" it)...

And what about support for TestNet and "TestNet managers"? Will it be in October Budget?
Not really as I understand it. Evan has mentioned this to be an interim quick-fix for DS snappiness. Not a long term solution. So not really a case of "the more the merrier", more like "a bit of oil in the gears"

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UdjinM6

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Spending anything on liquidity providers doesn't make any sense for me:
1) you can't really prove were they working or not
2) they will be mixing with each other because they can't distinguish themselves from "normal" users (otherwise there is no anonymity left) bloating blockchain for no good
3) $50 is way too much

That's not a fix imo. If you want to support mixing - open your wallet and mix. I'm doing that for more than a month now with darksendmultisession=1 (which means it's even more aggressive than the liquidityprovider=1) and darksendrounds=16, restarting when it's done. And it cost me ~2.5 DASH/month which is nowhere near ~20 DASH proposed.

I say no.