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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by camosoul, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. camosoul

    camosoul Well-known Member

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    MNOs, are you going to build you own datacenter?

    When the chain scales to 100s of MB per block, and you're required to store it on an SSD (array), are you willing to do this? Are you going to build you own datacenter and fill it with this junk?

    I'm not a trader/ponzi/speculator, but this forces one to ask; do you think DASH's price will ever be high enough to support what it demands?

    Doesn't this result in centralization?

    Will each MN have to have it's own, unique copy of the data stored? If not, does this consolidation harm integrity/resiliancy; also play to centralization?

    Will DashDrive shard data?

    If DASH does get that valuable, won't we then face a granularity/resolution problem? Perpetual huge blockchain on Masternodes seems to fix a scale-ability problem, but it would need to be of such a large value that it creates a fungibility/resolution problem. Are private sidechains inevitable? Will they be accommodated? Doesn't IX/IS pretty much accommodate them?

    WORM/ROM/PROM/EPROM/EEPROM version of SDD? Cheaper or more expensive? SSD-flush-to-WORM when it doesn't wag for X blocks? I don't know the FS that does that... Is this the special hardware Evan want's to make?

    People with brains; what say you?

    Surely, dirty hippies will want to blow up your building. Can you, will you, defend it? What if those dirty hippies are neo-Bolshevik guvthugs pushing StateCoin?

    DASH inevitably becomes non-portable. Will you build in Florida? Or Utah? Or the Sahara Desert and power if from PV? Won't this result in geographical consolidation? Everyone will pick the same geographical/political stable areas.

    Is it even possible to remain distributed and trustless? Should we just give up and accept the inevitable?

    Going forward, MNOs need to know... The MNOs of today are largely too stupid to ask, much less answer these questions. But, what few brains there are, what say you?
     
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  2. Dandy

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    We're still very far off from that.
    But personally, I'm preparing to have 1Gbit net and a fast computer for MNO, going into 2018.

    Don't forget that hardware is progressing very fast. In a few years, we will have massive SSD drives that are not that expensive.
    And yes, I would build my datacenter if the network requires it and I can afford it from the MNO rewards.
     
  3. Koromoto

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    I think the days of universally distributed blockchains are gone and central blockchains will take over. I believe miners are dead and masternodes will reign supreme, the fewer the better. I believe instant transactions will be the only kind of transactions, why would you settle for less?. I believe total anonymity and privacy will win in the end. I also believe fees would go the way of the dodo. And lastly, I also believe there will be two main currencies (and a thousand wannabes), one for store of value and one for global commerce. That's the path of less resistance, and resistance is indeed futile.

    It won't happen overnight but that's the future as I see it. Adjust accordingly.
     
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  4. GrandMasterDash

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    I don't see this as black and white. Some cryptos will be far more distributed but unable to meet the demands of high tps. Some cryptos will find their niche and not target mass market. Dash, therefore, is filling a gap that would of been filled anyway (mass market with ability to store high value). Technologies like DAG may work for low value transactions but at this point I am skeptical they are secure for high value.

    I understand where you are coming from. The only thing I would say is, and I suspect you might agree, is that dash needs rapid expansion of it's R&D to face these challenges. We either innovate and push the boundaries, or die. Tbh, I could make that argument for all cryptos.
     
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    There could be minimum requirements on MNs that the software can enforce. If MNs dont meet those requirements then no pay.

    BTW I think Dash should look into sharding too.
     
  6. bhkien

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    It is not the problem because if Dash block up to 100 Mb then its price should be about $10,000. If I cannot do, I will find and hire someone who have enough technical competence to do that for me.
     
  7. TroyDASH

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    It is good to be thinking way ahead and I think @camosoul makes a good point, but for me the answer is yes, I would be willing to do those things. These changes are not going to happen overnight so it's not like it is going to be a sudden shock to everyone. Over time, people who are overwhelmed or unwilling to do what is needed for MN upkeep will eventually stop operating MNs. Whether they also sell their collateral as well is a separate decision.
     
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  8. Ftoole

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    Well thier is a high level colo right down the street from me I can get a rack with 30 amps 100 MB’s synchronous internet connection over 6 backbone providers for about 7500 a month so dash goes over 1k I can pay the rack fee every month. So we get dash to 5k sure it would be easy to afford the requirements.
     

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