Losing faith in DRK

JGCMiner

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So because the team is not moving exactly the way you want them to means you rant?

The foundation has been announced and it has been stated that details are coming in the future. The core team has a section on this forum and it takes one glance to see what they are working on. (That is OB integration and the website, btw).

There is no point in putting a lot of effort into real life uses if the tech is not finished and it is just now being finished. To a certain extent one can move in parallel and that IS what is happening.

Either do something constructive as a community member or petition to join the dev team. In other words, actually contribute rather than complaining like somebody owes you something. At the very least state specific examples of what is wrong AND how it should be better. You know, constructive criticism.

I want foundation details NOW and the core team is not working on the things I want them to... doesn't count.
 
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Ignition75

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So because the team is not moving exactly the way you want them to means you rant?

The foundation has been accounced and it has been stated that details are coming in the future. The core team has a section on this forum and it takes one glance to see what they are working on. (That is OB integration and the website, btw).

There is no point in putting a lot of effort into real life uses if the tech is not finished and it is just now being finished. To a certain extent one can move in parallel and that IS what is happening.

Either do something constructive as a community member or petition to join the dev team. In other words, actually contribute rather than complaining like somebody owes you something. At the very least state specific examples of what is wrong AND how it should be better. You know, constructive criticism.

I want foundation details NOW and the core team is not working on the things I want them to... doesn't count.
Exactly!

I wouldn't go live right now either, I wouldn't approach a single merchant or spend a cent on marketing just yet.

It would be a missed opportunity to seek adoption until we had a finished product, we only get 1 shot at this.
 

Stealth923

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Exactly!

I wouldn't go live right now either, I wouldn't approach a single merchant or spend a cent on marketing just yet.

It would be a missed opportunity to seek adoption until we had a finished product, we only get 1 shot at this.
Hence my previous posts, thoroughly agree - we get one shot at a polished finished product to make the impression....dont drip feed things saying the wallet GUI, website etc will come down the track so we could open source earlier....do it once, do it right. Be the whole package.

Edit: I hope Evan will provide his thoughts on these discussions to understand his motives for open source launch.
 
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So because the team is not moving exactly the way you want them to means you rant?

The foundation has been announced and it has been stated that details are coming in the future. The core team has a section on this forum and it takes one glance to see what they are working on. (That is OB integration and the website, btw).

There is no point in putting a lot of effort into real life uses if the tech is not finished and it is just now being finished. To a certain extent one can move in parallel and that IS what is happening.

Either do something constructive as a community member or petition to join the dev team. In other words, actually contribute rather than complaining like somebody owes you something. At the very least state specific examples of what is wrong AND how it should be better. You know, constructive criticism.

I want foundation details NOW and the core team is not working on the things I want them to... doesn't count.
JGCMiner, where in my post did I say I was disappointed because what "I wanted" was not happening? I listed past past progress and complained about the lack of it due to some bad decision making. And where do you come up with this "unfinished" product argument? This is not a dining room table, and we are not a retail store who needs to display final product. Evan has been working in a de-facto "agile" development mode since the beginning anyway. Who also says we get "one shot at this"? If that is in fact the case, then we lost when DRK wallet was released because we are "live" and have been so for the last several months. These arguments are appropriate for someone fresh out of school or have not business or development background.
 

eduffield

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Someone said I didn't reply to the exact points brought up. I hope this helps.

flare is a great addition to the team and he tries to fulfill his role as best as he can but what to do when the lead dev does not follow the advice of the guy in charge of QA? Also, something has to be said about Evan not listening to the testing community pleading to have a stable product for a couple of days on testnet before releasing to mainnet. flare even drafted a testnet rollback & go-live plan that was purely and simply ignored.
- Me and flare talk outside of Darkcointalk. The rc4 launch was not a hardfork and couldn't fail. Plus as the main developer, I have rollback plans already. Remember I rolled back RC2/RC3?

As we move into RC4, we will engage in a significantly more organized campaign to disseminate information than we have with any previous RC launch.
Even with a reduced scope (no enforcement) and a rushed, insufficiently tested release (no masternode voting consensus tests, no rollback/go-live tests)
- Reduced scope? RC4 was a complete rewrite of Darksend. Release candidates aren't suppose to have new code unless it's absolutely necessary and the new way Darksend works was just too good not to implement it in. It was such a large ticket item that it shifted the entire release and it became impossible to test the voting system in the given time. Enforcement in any form is the most risky thing we can do and we have 80%+ payments currently. This isn't a high priority and can be done later. Why delay the entire launch of Darksend by a month or more just to gain 15-20% masternode payments? People were itching to have RC4 on mainnet and I knew it worked, so we launched.

On top of that, flare, who is one of the few to have seen the code, considers the RC3 payment system not viable (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-issues-bugs-feature-requests.2039/page-13#post-18236):
- Flare isn't a programmer.

For the first time, users are actually losing DRK due to corrupt wallets that even Evan is unable to salvage while the root cause remains unknown. See http://jira.darkcoin.qa/browse/DRK-27?jql= where Evan states:
- Unknown? When upgrading an encrypted wallet from 100 to 1000 sized keypool, sometimes they became corrupted. This was only a problem between v28 and v31. Also it only affected one wallet. In v32 users are prompted to move funds to a new wallet if they're possibly at risk.
 

tungfa

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tx evan for taking out the time to talk through these technical details !!
 

eduffield

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A couple more answers:

The spork alternative has been interesting but let's not fool ourselves, most masternode owners have been waiting for the possibility to enforce masternode payments for a long time, like vertoe. Most of us have the feeling that leaving things to the pools' generosity is a doubtful strategy. See http://jira.darkcoin.qa/browse/DRK-19?jql= and https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-issues-bugs-feature-requests.2039/page-13#post-18199. Additionally, when asked what would be done about pools that decide not to pay masternodes Evan answered (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/closed-rc4-testing.1830/page-78#post-15352):
They'll update or we'll kick them off the network.
I'm going to kick older protocol versions off of the network with RC5. We should be able to get 90%+ because of this. This is also another reason enforcement isn't needed right now, I'd like to try this first.

Useability issues: the wallet redesign that could have improved the user experience and was initiated by DRKLord has been on hold for several days or weeks. Initially, supporters were hoping to see this redesign coincide with the RC4 release; it is now unclear whether it would even be considered for RC5. It is not mentioned by Evan in his August 19 development update. See https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-august-19-2014.2086/ and https://darkcointalk.org/threads/enhanced-darkcoin-wallet-ui.1705/
I haven't heard for DRKLord in awhile, however I heard he's really ill. I'll reach out to him and made sure he's OK.
 

stonehedge

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Ed...maybe a weekly Q&A session might be in order? It doesn't even have to be you doing it. Maybe one of the mods could collate questions, send them to the dev team and post responses back here.

EDIT: It seems that every time you post here the price on mintpal goes up ;)
 
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GreyGhost

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Ed...maybe a weekly Q&A session might be in order? It doesn't even have to be you doing it. Maybe one of the mods could collate questions, send them to the dev team and post responses back here.
This is, by far, the best idea regarding "promotional activities" for Darkcoin.

EDIT: It seems that every time you post here the price on mintpal goes up ;)
This reinforces a need for open communication channels. Like in any other realm, with the high price comes respect.
 
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stonehedge

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This is, by far, the best idea regarding "promotional activities" for Darkcoin.


But seriously, the Darkcoin Foundation will have plenty of much better things up their sleeve than this for the future. I just worry that there is a gap now.
 

Coins101

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Bitcoin was updated recently, but its still in Beta - after nearly 6 years in the public.

I also seem to remember that Satoshi identified anonymity issues in 2010, but they are still working on a solution.
 

moli

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So do you want me to collect questions which will be answered by evan regulary in a dedicated thread?

A nonstopongoing EVAN-AMA?
LOL..... Hahaha....
Vertoe, Evan needs to brand his own "Evan Action Figure" and have it manufactured (in China) with recording of answers to every question, so if someone needs an answer or a reminder, all they have to do is crank it up. :)
He'll make a fortune for selling his own action figure, he's such a celeb in the crypto community now. :)
 
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LonnieDRR

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Nobody should be losing faith in DRK. People are just too impatient. She's on the move now! Steady UP UP UP
Almost tripled my investment from when i bought more DRK at 0.0030 last month.