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Is the new budget system driving down the price of DASH?

I think the price come down maybe good for Dash. Because, many lucky people might get a lot of Dash at the beginning, but they didn't highly value them.

And this is a good chance for engaging people and developers can get more Dash with low price before it soaring up.

I think we should not look at its price but instead we should introduce Dash to crypto developers, technical people, PR and marketing specialists...
 
I think we have to be careful about being all psyched that the price is down and we can get "cheap coins." I think it was cool when we hit 15 and then had cheap coins at 13, then at 10, then at 8, then at 3, and now bordering 2.

I'm not opposed to the whole thing but the question bears asking: Are we deluding ourselves vis a vis price and "cheap coins"? I agree with the idea that our fundamentals are great and that we have long term prospects; but is it really okay if we start seeing $1 in two weeks? And are these really "cheap coins" or just a pile of "losses"?

Pablo.
 
but is it really okay if we start seeing $1 in two weeks? And are these really "cheap coins" or just a pile of "losses"?

Pablo.

Great post.
This would not be OK. This would mean there is a group of people which are suporters already and that group is not expanding. We are not getting noticed outside the small crypto community, not getting any new people in. Which will lead us to the very bottom and the price will be ruled by traders.
 
You also have to keep in mind that BTC lost 75% in value in that time. Dash "only" lost 66% of its value compared to BTC which it's traded against. I mean you can see the drop from 15 USD -> 2 USD (there is not really a market for Dash/USD) but you can also see the drop from 2.8m sat to 0.9msat, which is way less pessimistic.
 
Very interesting ideas.

My main point really is that we need a strategy to offset this, Evan mentioned we were gonna start PR and the budget for that was approved. I think that is one of the things we need to keep an eye on, as mentioned above, investors are indeed not not going to "fall on our laps" (as mentioned above), we have to go after them.

Pablo.
 
if you are referring to core payments ("salary)
that is honestly a tiny amount and will not affect the price
1st the amount is too small
2nd core members are not selling
I am also referring to budgeted expenses as well. That's DASH sold and converted into BTC or fiat.
 
Does anyone know whats up with the PR effort?

I suspect it hasn't been started, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Pablo.
 
I would like to ask if there will be any transparency with our public-awareness proposal? Not pointing any fingers, just wondering what that money is being spent for.
 
VCs are present at all these Bitcoin conferences. Why not offer a bunch of DASH at a good price to few of these guys? Explain them the value proposition and offer them some DASH from the chunk raised from Masternodes.

This Amsterdam event seems like small event focused mainly on DASH. It's possible some VC guys will be there not saying it's not likely but it's probably better to focus on more established events or perhaps send some invitations to few of these guys like Roger Ver, Brock Pierce, Erik Vorhees.
 
Great post.
This would not be OK. This would mean there is a group of people which are suporters already and that group is not expanding. We are not getting noticed outside the small crypto community, not getting any new people in. Which will lead us to the very bottom and the price will be ruled by traders.

You're hitting the problem on the head. We are not reaching out and expanding our support / user base. To be fair, we've only just begun to get the word out, but we need to be WAY more aggressive about this. I think the thing that hurts us is that there is always some great new development around the corner that we're waiting to be unveiled before we put in too much effort, but that has to stop. Hopefully, the next cat will be out of the bag this week, and we can start mouthing off about it. I understand Evan's point of view, that he wants to control the information coming out because it's just too big, too much to swallow and understand, but it also slows us down in the adoption arena. I say this because I fear people are like "hummm, things are about to change big time, and I'm not sure I'll like it" So, if possible, it would be great to have a development plan, one that can change, but changes in the open, with discussions, etc...

I mean, I know it's secretive to protect our first mover advantage, but if we can get momentum going, and not have everything halt until another big reveal it would be helpful. Maybe that means that Evan, although he gets excited and wants to share, keeps this stuff to himself and his core, most trusted developers?

I just feel like things go extinct just as we get into the swing of explaining them to people, like Darksend. This is going to be totally different soon, how? I have no idea? It sort of takes the wind out of our sails, 'cause it's like, "I'm going to explain this complex thing to you, then tell you it'll be obsolete in a couple of months" LOL.

Maybe that's not the core of this price problem, but I kind of feel like it pauses the marketing for fear of the investment in marketing will become obsolete as soon as it's out there. And it's marketing that we need to have in full swing NOW! :D

Sorry for disappearing, I'm super late for class, yikes! LOL
 
We have to keep in mind that there is a difference between Twitter and Facebook marketing as opposed to PR (getting an article on Forbes), but this has been discussed ad nauseaum elsewhere. This is not to minimize one or the other, just to clarify they are completely different things.

I also think it would be fair to give a token payment to anyone who volunteers. By token I mean whatever is left over from the Budget after PR expenses.

I'm glad we are closing ranks on this one, it's an important step for Dash.

Pablo.
 
Hey guys,

Great conversation you guys have going here. Looks like a little venting, mixed with some insightful thoughts and excellent ideas. Since I'm joining the conversation late, allow me to catch up, as I have a lot of thoughts on this topic as well:

There are large investments in Dash and when the only thing you see is down you start questioning your sanity for investting. Higher prices bring more investment which brings more attention which brings more investment, it's a virtuous cycle...
I myself have been waiting to pick up another 10 MN but I am reticent to invest when I don't understand what is going on. It was fine to see depreciation 4 cylces ago, but now it's a real trend and I don't get it, we have had nothing but good news.

Pablo.

Dash is so early in its development and marketing cycle, current prices are basically meaningless, from a long term perspective. Our product is not finished, existing in Beta only, and being radically changed and refined by day seemingly. Any substantial marketing effort now would be wasted due to confusion of the public. What's more, it's not very user-friendly. This good news we are having is great, as we are setting the foundation for the future with each glowing report, even if it doesn't affect the price. As for your investment, only you know what you're comfortable with, I for one couldn't care less if it goes to .0001BTC before its potential kicks in.

Incomming Amsterdam Wednesday Meeting can bring a lot on the table.

This meeting should reveal some of the puzzle, as Evan is keeping his cards close to the vest, and has said he will not reveal all of Evolution's details there as it is simply too much to digest at once. The price may spike a bit, but adoption and demand is the key to sustained price advances...

There is not enough demand at the moment, that's all. Nothing to cry about, get the cheap coins.

Exactly this. No demand. Everyone who is in is already in. This is why I continue my Twitter campaign, trying to expand our base slowly, getting crypto types to see the benefits of Dash from a speculation standpoint. The Dash value right now is driven only by traders and whales. When Dash is ready for a full on marketing blitz (easy to use, close to a finished product), then we will start to see utility drive the market.

The price used to drive me crazy, it was like a slap in the face to all the work done. Now I realize it's just such a fickle space, cryptocurrency, that we're not going to be able to make sense of anything for a few years yet, IMO.

You really need a lot of patience. This is no get rich quick scheme, and we have lots of enemies who would like nothing better than for us to fail. We have a LONG way to go.

I think we should not look at its price but instead we should introduce Dash to crypto developers, technical people, PR and marketing specialists...

This is the best use of our efforts at this stage. To hell with the price, just keep developing and refining, making Dash a slick product that people like using. This is key, if we want demand, we have to make it a great experience using it. Right now, it is not, TBH. That will only come with time. Patience is needed here. However, there is nothing wrong with all of us doing one small thing for Dash every day. It sure adds up that way.

I agree with the idea that our fundamentals are great and that we have long term prospects; but is it really okay if we start seeing $1 in two weeks? And are these really "cheap coins" or just a pile of "losses"?

Pablo.

My thought on this is that as long as you believe in the fundamentals and long term prospects, today's price doesn't matter. As soon as you stop believing in these things, it's time to exit your investment.

It is when all hope is lost and investors wait for someone to save them.

It has to change.

Agreed. Nothing is going to come easy, and it would be helpful if more people became hands on. That's the culture we should be creating here, everyone doing something for Dash, no matter how small.

We are not getting noticed outside the small crypto community, not getting any new people in. Which will lead us to the very bottom and the price will be ruled by traders.

That's not entirely true. My PR campaign has encountered hundreds of people who were not crypto savvy before I started talking with them, but I'm just one person. If everyone committed to spreading the word in a grass-roots way while we are still developing, we would be much farther ahead. Also, to be seen in magazines such as Wired and FinTech Finance shows that we are slowly making headway outside of cryptodom, but once again, we are far from a household name ATM.

VCs are present at all these Bitcoin conferences. Why not offer a bunch of DASH at a good price to few of these guys? Explain them the value proposition and offer them some DASH from the chunk raised from Masternodes.

This Amsterdam event seems like small event focused mainly on DASH. It's possible some VC guys will be there not saying it's not likely but it's probably better to focus on more established events or perhaps send some invitations to few of these guys like Roger Ver, Brock Pierce, Erik Vorhees.

GREAT IDEA. I nominate you to handle this assignment. We can all contribute. Even if they don't go to the event, you can open dialogue with such people and explain why Dash matters. You never know who will listen to you!

We have to keep in mind that there is a difference between Twitter and Facebook marketing as opposed to PR (getting an article on Forbes), but this has been discussed ad nauseaum elsewhere. This is not to minimize one or the other, just to clarify they are completely different things.

Pablo.

Agreed. We just aren't ready for the latter, and are having success with the former. We just need to relax, decide if this is a long term investment for us, and if it is, stop looking at today's meaningless price, and drive toward the future.

Tao.
 
GREAT IDEA. I nominate you to handle this assignment. We can all contribute. Even if they don't go to the event, you can open dialogue with such people and explain why Dash matters. You never know who will listen to you!

Only the budget admins are able to make such offers to sell DASH in bulk to them at a nice discount angel investor prices. It would have to be someone with authority to make such offers. I'm talking about the dev masternode stash.
 
Only the budget admins are able to make such offers to sell DASH in bulk to them at a nice discount angel investor prices. It would have to be someone with authority to make such offers.
Yes, that's true, but I was talking about the initiative to reach out to those people. You would be perfect for that task, don't you think? It would make a great contribution to Dash awareness. Anyone here can take that initiative, as I have on Twitter.
 
Yes, that's true, but I was talking about the initiative to reach out to those people. You would be perfect for that task, don't you think? It would make a great contribution to Dash awareness. Anyone here can take that initiative, as I have on Twitter.
Perhaps I'm doing it already. ;) Point is though the top devs need to be the ones to do the reaching in most cases, like booking interviews and so on, or to have an official PR person to can talk on their behalf to book interviews, set up meetings and such.
 
Perhaps I'm doing it already. ;) Point is though the top devs need to be the ones to do the reaching in most cases, like booking interviews and so on, or to have an official PR person to can talk on their behalf to book interviews, set up meetings and such.
Why? This is a decentralized currency. You are a member, and as a member you can take any initiative you want. You can keep in contact with the top brass if you want, they can guide you, but if we wait for a few people to do everything, this is going to be very slow going. :wink:

PS - I liked your Persons of Interest thread, good job!
 
Sure but
Why? This is a decentralized currency. You are a member, and as a member you can take any initiative you want. You can keep in contact with the top brass if you want, they can guide you, but if we wait for a few people to do everything, this is going to be very slow going. :wink:

PS - I liked your Persons of Interest thread, good job!
Sure but I can't schedule say show interviews for the dev team and or negotiate DASH bulk deals on their behalf. That's something a person with authority within the project can do, like an official spokesperson or a designated DASH evangelist who can go to bunch of shows and talk about DASH.
 
Sure but

Sure but I can't schedule say show interviews for the dev team and or negotiate DASH bulk deals on their behalf. That's something a person with authority within the project can do, like an official spokesperson or a designated DASH evangelist who can go to bunch of shows and talk about DASH.
I disagree. You know how to get in touch with Evan, you can ask when he's free and schedule an interview. You could even go on shows yourself and talk about Dash if you were so inclined. Just educate yourself about it, and take the initiative.

You see the point I'm trying to make here? tungfa is great at what he does but he can't be everywhere. If we had more Tungfas we would be farther ahead! No one should feel like they have to defer to the dev team or PR person. If you want to talk about Dash on your local radio, go for it. Contact people on your list, and introduce them to the Core team. You can do these things!
 
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