Is "masternode" a good name?

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*Newbie Alert*

So, I like lots that I hear about dash and this split of block rewards via a governance mechanism is intriguing. But the name "masternode" causes me to hesitate over my enthusiasm of what I have learned. There can be no master without a slave. So this causes me to ask, who are the slaves? If it's the end users then this is dirty and I don't wanna touch it, but I'm not so sure that there are any slaves. Could it be that the masternode is just poorly named?

There's a subtle difference between governance and government, but it is profound in terms of morality. Even the "treasury" seems to be an abhorrent tip of the hat to something humanity desperately needs to get away from (government).

Is dash a minarchist economy of old or is it a free market economy?
 
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The more people arrive in dash, the more your question will become important.

The maximum amount of masternodes is 10.000.

So we are talking about 10.000 masters, and 7.000.000.000 slaves (the rest of the world).

This is how Dash has been originally designed.
And this is how it will remain, unless of course the governance system manages to fix that flaw.
 

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I wasn't aware that there was a cap of 10,000 masternodes. Thanks for that nugget of information.

I'm all for investing in something that wants to compete and offer the best service. But what kind of sale is it to use the terminology of 'master'?
The reason why I said that it might be poorly named is because I don't think dash can/will force it's currency to be legal tender like we see with fiat today and it is therefore competing and it's users will choose to use it of their own volition, which is completely moral.
I don't want to be a master though. I have no issue with being a voter on issues I consider to be moral.
 

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My dictionary gives one definition of "master" as an adjective:

main; principal:
the master bedroom

It seems valid to consider a masternode as a main or primary node, and this doesn't imply any master-slave relationship. There may be a better name for masternodes, but I don't think the current name necessarily implies slavery.


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My dictionary gives one definition of "master" as an adjective:

main; principal:
the master bedroom

It seems valid to consider a masternode as a main or primary node, and this doesn't imply any master-slave relationship. There may be a better name for masternodes, but I don't think the current name necessarily implies slavery.


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I agree and in application I think everything is fine and moral. If the word is misinterpreted though it grates me, it really does.
 

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If by "information" you mean "steaming pile of horseshit," sure...
Ok..I admit that the number 10.000 was not accurate.

It was the number of today as long as until now 7.000.000 coins have been mined, thus 7.000.000 /1000 = 7.000 maximum masternode owners can exist nowdays (and I arbitrarily changed this 7.000 to 10.000)

The real number is: 19.000.000 max Dash coins that can be mined /1000 = 19.000 maximum number of Masternode owners (and not 10.000 as I said). But does this 19.000 people (instead of 10.000 I claimed) makes the difference when compared to the population of earth (7.000.0000.000 people) ?

So it is not my information a "steaming pile of horseshit".
It is the design of Dash that it is a "steaming pile of horseshit", if we consider of course that Dash is designed to be the digital cash of the future, and not a quick rich scheme pyramid.
 
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Methinks the snowflakes are becoming sado-masochists...
That's why I hoped we remained DarkCoin. Now we have to listen to this politically correct nonsense.

"We dream of a world where normal nodes are no longer oppressed by the evil masternodes"
 

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That's why I hoped we remained DarkCoin. Now we have to listen to this politically correct nonsense.

"We dream of a world where normal nodes are no longer oppressed by the evil masternodes"
Your darkcoin was a failure. If not, then why you changed your name and why you are targeting now the ordinary Grandmas?

As long as your elitism is over, you are forced to play with the rules of the Grandmas.You cannot both preserve your elitism, and at the same time beg the Grandmas to adopt you. It doesnt makes sense.

If you want the "normal" nodes to adopt you as their digital cash, then you have to accept the rules imposed by these "normal" nodes.
 

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I wasn't aware that there was a cap of 10,000 masternodes. Thanks for that nugget of information.

I'm all for investing in something that wants to compete and offer the best service. But what kind of sale is it to use the terminology of 'master'?
The reason why I said that it might be poorly named is because I don't think dash can/will force it's currency to be legal tender like we see with fiat today and it is therefore competing and it's users will choose to use it of their own volition, which is completely moral.
I don't want to be a master though. I have no issue with being a voter on issues I consider to be moral.
there is NO 10k MN cap !
do not truss or believe demo - he is our local troll and we let him run for fun and giggles :rolleyes:
 

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there is NO 10k MN cap !
do not truss or believe demo - he is our local troll and we let him run for fun and giggles :rolleyes:

You are a liar. There is 19k maximum masternode owners.

19.000.000 coins is the maximum coins that can be mined.
1000 dash coins is the masternode's collateral fee.
So the maximum masternodes owners can be 19000.

Whatever your lies are, and however stupid a newbie can be, I think it is very difficult for you to convince someone that the above maths are wrong.
 

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the final number of MN's will depend on the final coin supply ! ok

IF there are 19 Mill coins left in year xyz when mining runs out then the number will be 19k
but do u know there will be 19 Mill coins left in year xyz ?
no you do not - as we are burning on a monthly bases (unused budgets and such)
so relax - do not throw big words or accusations around
 

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the final number of MN's will depend on the final coin supply ! ok

IF there are 19 Mill coins left in year xyz when mining runs out then the number will be 19k
but do u know there will be 19 Mill coins left in year xyz ?
no you do not - as we are burning on a monthly bases (unused budgets and such)
so relax - do not throw big words or accusations around
As I said, 19k is the maximum number of masternodes owners.
Of course in practice it will never be 19k, in practice it will be much much lesser.
And this fact is in favor of my argument (when I compare the masternode owners to the population of earth) and not against it.

So we are talking about 10.000 masters, and 7.000.000.000 slaves (the rest of the world).
 
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@demo

There is nothing preventing the network to decide to reduce the collateral required to run a MN should there be a technical need for more MNs.

And ordinary grandmas don't know or care how stuff functions under the hood.

Even self-proclaimed noob eerygarden seems to grasp that no one is forced to use or accept Dash and therefore can never be slaves, the fact that you can't reveals you are either dumb or a troll.
 

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Even self-proclaimed noob eerygarden seems to grasp that no one is forced to use or accept Dash and therefore can never be slaves, the fact that you can't reveals you are either dumb or a troll.
If Dash is designed to be the digital cash of the future, and if it will succeed its final goal, then everyone will be forced to use it similar to the way we are nowdays forced to use fiat money.

You have a different definition of slavery than I have. According to my definition slaves are just the people who are not citizents, and citizents are just the people who have voting rights (in order to decide issues of the state, not just elect representatives once every 4 years).

Read the below quote from wikipedia (especially what I marked with bold), and you will understand that the definition of slavery in a ancient athens was similar to what we call nowdays citizenship.

"Athenian slaves
Athenian slaves were the property of their master (or of the state), who could dispose of them as he saw fit. He could give, sell, rent, or bequeath them. A slave could have a spouse and children, but the slave family was not recognized by the state, and the master could scatter the family members at any time.[87] Slaves had fewer judicial rights than citizens and were represented by their master in all judicial proceedings.[88] A misdemeanour that would result in a fine for the free man would result in a flogging for the slave; the ratio seems to have been one lash for one drachma.[84] With several minor exceptions, the testimony of a slave was not admissible except under torture.[89] Slaves were tortured in trials because they often remained loyal to their master. A famous example of trusty slave was Themistocles's Persian slave Sicinnus (the counterpart of Ephialtes of Trachis), who, despite his Persian origin, betrayed Xerxes and helped Athenians in the Battle of Salamis. Despite torture in trials, the Athenian slave was protected in an indirect way: if he was mistreated, the master could initiate litigation for damages and interest (δίκη βλάβης / dikē blabēs).[84] Conversely, a master who excessively mistreated a slave could be prosecuted by any citizen (γραφὴ ὕβρεως / graphē hybreōs); this was not enacted for the sake of the slave, but to avoid violent excess (ὕβρις / hubris).[90]
Isocrates claimed that "not even the most worthless slave can be put to death without trial";[91] the master's power over his slave was not absolute.[92] Draco's law apparently punished with death the murder of a slave; the underlying principle was: "was the crime such that, if it became more widespread, it would do serious harm to society?"[93] The suit that could be brought against a slave's killer was not a suit for damages, as would be the case for the killing of cattle, but a δίκη φονική (dikē phonikē), demanding punishment for the religious pollution brought by the shedding of blood.[94] In the 4th century BC, the suspect was judged by the Palladion, a court which had jurisdiction over unintentional homicide;[95] the imposed penalty seems to have been more than a fine but less than death—maybe exile, as was the case in the murder of a Metic.[94]
However, slaves did belong to their master's household. A newly-bought slave was welcomed with nuts and fruits, just like a newly-wed wife.[87] Slaves took part in most of the civic and family cults; they were expressly invited to join the banquet of the Choes, second day of the Anthesteria,[96] and were allowed initiation into the Eleusinian Mysteries.[87] A slave could claim asylum in a temple or at an altar, just like a free man. The slaves shared the gods of their masters and could keep their own religious customs if any.[96]
Slaves could not own property, but their masters often let them save up to purchase their freedom,[97] and records survive of slaves operating businesses by themselves, making only a fixed tax-payment to their masters. Athens also had a law forbidding the striking of slaves: if a person struck what appeared to be a slave in Athens, that person might find himself hitting a fellow-citizen, because many citizens dressed no better than slaves. It astonished other Greeks that Athenians tolerated back-chat from slaves.[98] Athenian slaves fought together with Athenian freemen at the battle of Marathon, and the monuments memorialize them.[99] It was formally decreed before the battle of Salamis that the citizens should "save themselves, their women, children, and slaves".[100]
Slaves had special sexual restrictions and obligations. For example, a slave could not engage free boys in pederastic relationships ("A slave shall not be the lover of a free boy nor follow after him, or else he shall receive fifty blows of the public lash."), and they were forbidden from the palaestrae ("A slave shall not take exercise or anoint himself in the wrestling-schools."). Both laws are attributed to Solon.[101] Fathers wanting to protect their sons from unwanted advances provided them with a slave guard, called a paidagogos, to escort the boy in his travels.
The sons of vanquished foes would be enslaved and often forced to work in male brothels, as in the case of Phaedo of Elis, who at the request of Socrates was bought and freed from such an enterprise by the philosopher's rich friends.[102] On the other hand, it is attested in sources that the rape of slaves was persecuted, at least occasionally.[103] "


Lets summarize it
  1. Slaves were the property of their master (or of the state) <-- public servants!
  2. Slaves were tortured in trials because they often remained loyal to their master. <-- same behavior the today's employees, who remain loyal in their companies in front of a court.
  3. a master who excessively mistreated a slave could be prosecuted by any citizen
  4. "not even the most worthless slave can be put to death without trial"
  5. law apparently punished with death the murder of a slave
  6. a slave's killer was not a suit for damages, as would be the case for the killing of cattle, but a δίκη φονική (dikē phonikē)
  7. A newly-bought slave was welcomed with nuts and fruits, just like a newly-wed wife
  8. A slave could claim asylum in a temple or at an altar, just like a free man.
  9. The slaves shared the gods of their masters and could keep their own religious customs if any
  10. records survive of slaves operating businesses by themselves, making only a fixed tax-payment to their masters. <-- The right to do businesses. Today's taxpayers are regarded as slaves?
  11. a law forbidding the striking of slaves.
  12. many citizens dressed no better than slaves
  13. Athenians tolerated back-chat from slaves. <--- free speech!!!
  14. Athenian slaves fought together with Athenian freemen at the battle of Marathon, and the monuments memorialize them
  15. It was formally decreed before the battle of Salamis that the citizens should "save themselves, their women, children, and slaves". <-- From this quote it seems that the slaves were part of their family, similar to the today's house keepers or butlers.
  16. Fathers wanting to protect their sons from unwanted advances provided them with a slave guard, called a paidagogos, to escort the boy in his travels. <--- Are the today's teachers slaves?
  17. it is attested in sources that the rape of slaves was persecuted


This is how I define slaves. I define slavery with ancient athenian terms: Slaves are the people who, althought they are protected by the state, they are not allowed to vote and decide for state's issues.

The ancient athenian slaves were almost what we nowdays call as "workers" or "servants".
 
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LOL, you're overthinking it. It's the same as hard drives which are designated master/slave and have nothing to do with enslaving people, but simply a hierarchy. Real slavery exists today, I won't belittle it. But in this case it's an appropriate name. BTW, you do know that the title "Master" doesn't necessarily imply "over a slave" My father was a master machinist., my uncles were master carpenter (finish) and tool and die makers (3). It's a craftsman term. Under them are Journeymen and Apprentice. So by expanding your understanding of the real root of the word, you won't find it so offensive :)
 

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Wow, when you ignore someone here, they really disappear. I had no idea demo was posting on this thread.... cool!
...said the master who ignores his slaves. You are an arrogant master!!!! But the slaves, and especially the new generation Dash slaves (with your greedy decisions you have already enslaved the new generations of Dash), they will ignore your coin similar to the way you ignore me right now. Remember that.

I know that I am a slave in Dash, as long as I have no voting rights. But among the different slavery types that exist, I only accept to be an athenian slave.
  • a master who excessively mistreated a slave could be prosecuted by any citizen
  • Athenians tolerated back-chat from slaves.
  • A newly-bought slave was welcomed with nuts and fruits, just like a newly-wed wife
  • A slave could claim asylum in a temple or at an altar, just like a free man.
  • many citizens dressed no better than slaves
@TanteStefana, you seem to be the kind of master who does not tolerate back-chat from his slaves.

Where is my dress @TanteStefana?
Where are my nuts and fruits?


The 2014-1016 generation of masters took all the coins for themselves.
My wallet is empty, so you should give me some Dash to buy some food and get dressed.
 
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