GetFreeDash campaign must be stopped ASAP

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The only coin that will survive in the future
I believe that there is plenty of room for more than one cryptocurrency. Whether there is room for tens, hundreds, thousands.... that we will have to see. It is foolish to believe that there is urgency to act now or else the competition will be the last one standing.

SMS-OTP is an (imperfect) proof of individuality, thats why it is a solution.
SMS-OTP is not a solution for Dash. It is a security measure implemented by getfreedash that was put in place by the project owner in attempt to ensure individuality of accounts (one person owns only one account). Dash gets NOTHING from this. In fact, as we speak, this flawed technology is being SOLD to another coin/community!

i have already given the explanation for payments issues twice
Explanations that satisfy only you @Dashmaximalist. No accounting, no transparency, no accountability. Why not provide a list of accounts that WILL NOT BE PAID by you and the reason why? You seem to have been working hard on that for the past 3 weeks, and it should be readily available. Right?

The only thing that remains valid and important, is where did the 300 Dash go that was funded thus far. The project owner has accounted for less than $50,000USD by his own spreadsheet provided approximately 40 days ago. That accounting had many flaws. It was in USD, there were many fields left blank, etc. If Dash were half the price it is today, the getfreedash project would have more than enough to pay that entire list provided. There has to be an accounting of all of this - IN DASH! Why not just provide a new spreadsheet or database table for analysis? That should be easy!!!
 

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We should not attract people who only want free things, we should attract people who bring more values to the ecosystem. I think this campaign should be stopped as soon as possible.
 

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We should not attract people who only want free things, we should attract people who bring more values to the ecosystem. I think this campaign should be stopped as soon as possible.
And what is the value YOU personally brought to the ecosystem? What are the values the MNOS operators brought to the ecosystem? No values at all!!!!

With their stupid votes, Dash is now #13. And it will continue to fall, until the MNOs understand that there is as fundamental value with money, Money is a social thing, a social convenction, and in order to survive it has to offer to the society. Money SHOULD NOT be an invention of the old generations, who are using it in order to oppress the new generations. This is the value we should bring to the ecosystem. And in order for this value to flourish, a dividend to the new users should be given. Getfreedash is a way to offer this dividend.
 
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I actually, don't mind if people make mistakes, but for me DashMaximalist, has been overly optimistic up until the moment that he ran into a wall.
Don't get me wrong the glass half full is better than half empty, but we need some professional realism as well. If Dash MNO did not act smart he would have gotten an even bigger pile of money to spend.

What makes it unforgivable to me if one calls himself "DashMaximalist" but than on sell the same idea to SmartCash well, that outright lying to me, and that counts double for a transparent trust less blockchain environment !

Furthermore I don't get the website, it does not match with the style and identity of Dash, and plenty of other improvements

The security of only 4digits long !? sorry that just incompetent as well. I wish he had contacted me I could have certainly helped.
 

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Getfreesmart proposal finnaly passed!
You seem rather enthusiastic about the smartcash proposal @demo.

I find it curious how you have been so supportive of this project owner. What's in it for you?

For someone who leaves so many messages based on principles you purportedly believe in @demo, I find it curious that you so strongly support a proposal that has proven, thus far, to ignore its own responsibility to provide transparency.
 
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You seem rather enthusiastic about the smartcash proposal @demo.

I find it curious how you have been so supportive of this project owner. What's in it for you?

For someone who leaves so many messages based on principles you purportedly believe in @demo, I find it curious that you so strongly support a proposal that has proven, thus far, to ignore its own responsibility to provide transparency.
Of course I am enthusiastic about the success of the smartcash proposal.

Firstly, it is a benefit for the poor people of Venezuela. Offering help to the poor people is my main motivation (thats why I am also involved in getfreepiv and I am trying to convince and help PIVX community in that).

Secondly, the success of getfreesmart is a benefit for the dash community, in case @Dashmaximalist is involved in it . This is because he will gain more experience in the dividend field, and this experience will be offered back to the dash community, in case the Dash community will finnaly fund getfreedash.

Thirdly, you are right in your last point. Getfreedash was not fully transparent, it was half transparent. @Dashmaximalist gave us about 60000 transactions in an excel file. He should give us all the transactions. But a similar lack of transparency occurs in your system, dash.red , doesnt it? How do we know that your proof of individuality (video recognition) is not a fraud? Why dont you publish the hash value of all your video recongitions, in order for a future control commity to check your system for fraud?

Finnaly, I would really like to see more competition in the field of SMS-OTP. Why dont you also try an SMS-OTP solution in dash.red?
 

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But a similar lack of transparency occurs in your system, dash.red , doesnt it?
Not even close, if you look at my last proposal, you will see that I offer a live report of the website payouts that can be screened at any time:
https://dash.red/dash-red-real-time-mno-report/
The most recent transactions reported on that page are always so recent that they do not appear in the blockchain explorer. Refresh the page in a few minutes and you will see new transactions at the top of the list. This is going on 24 hours per day.

Dash.red is currently paying out over 2800 times per day, about 2 times ever minute! Every single transaction is documented and visible on the blockchain. I will gladly give FULL documentation of EVERY SINGLE transaction in the history of the website to DashWatch upon request and deliver it within 24 hours.

How do we know that your proof of individuality (video recognition) is not a fraud?
I can provide a clickable list of every single approved video to DashWatch upon request and deliver it within 24 hours.

If you feel the need for more transparency from Dash.red, just contact DashWatch and let them know. I will gladly work with them to ensure transparency if more transparency is required from my project.
 
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Why dont you also try an SMS-OTP solution in dash.red?
I have expressed my concern for this technology. It is not a solution for Dash as you have repeated. It is a way for a provider of promotional services to prevent fraud. That may be good for a promotion provider, but it does nothing for Dash.
 

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I can provide a clickable list of every single approved video to DashWatch upon request and deliver it within 24 hours.

If you feel the need for more transparency from Dash.red, just contact DashWatch and let them know. I will gladly work with them to ensure transparency if more transparency is required from my project.
Although this is great in terms of fraud detection, it is awful in terms of privacy.
You should investigate ways that both prove the individuality and protect your customer's privacy.

Finnaly, it doesnt matter whether you can provide a clickable list of every single approved video to DashWatch upon request and deliver it within 24 hours. What it matters is that you will provide THE SAME LIST in the next 24 hours, and again THE SAME LIST (plus the additions) in the next month. You could forge the list, everytime someone asks about it. Thats why the HISTORY of the list is important, and that why the HASH VALUE is important. The hash value, when published, prevents for you to change the history of the list, and at the same time protects the privacy of your customers.
 
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You could forge the list
You cannot forge a list of videos that are up on YouTube and ready to watch at any moment. Each video also has a date of upload that cannot be forged. By the way, if a user deletes his video, the website detects it and disables his account. That feature is built into the website.

The same goes for transactions on the blockchain. Past transactions cannot be forged.

I think it would make an interesting "use case" for @paragon and DashWatch to audit Dash.red. I welcome it. Perhaps it could help them to prepare for such things in the future.
 

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This is foolishness. Edward operates his project with constant transparency and a surprisingly small budget. What's more, we know his name. He has photographic evidence of having traveled the world in support of Dash projects.

And he's not out there making proposals to other coins.

There is no shadow of suspicion on Dash.red.

Where is Dash Watch? They should have something meaningful to say about all of this.
 

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it is awful in terms of privacy
Dash.red has a mission of publicity, not privacy. People who feel the video is an invasion of privacy can find another way to earn duffs. No one is obliged to participate in the Dash.red promotion.
 

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You cannot forge a list of videos that are up on YouTube and ready to watch at any moment. Each video also has a date of upload that cannot be forged. By the way, if a user deletes his video, the website detects it and disables his account. That feature is built into the website.

The same goes for transactions on the blockchain. Past transactions cannot be forged.

I think it would make an interesting "use case" for @paragon and DashWatch to audit Dash.red. I welcome it. Perhaps it could help them to prepare for such things in the future.
When I say "forge the list" I mean you could create fake videos with real people, and get the money by yourself. Thats why the control commity should be able to take a random video, that was posted into the list no matter how old, and contact the video owner, in order to check whether he is a real person that was really involved in dash.red, or not.
 

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to have learned : you always get scammed !
Wait. Who supported massive DASH giveaways on Chinese exchanges? Called me a racist for calling it out? Oh, right...

Just how worthless is DASH that the only way you can get people to use it, is to give it away for free?

Forget all the other open-ended unmeasurable results that are inherent to giveaways...

This whole mess is plain dumb. But the SuckerNodes never learn... And why should they? No matter how it's squandered, no matter how incompetent to the point of being dangerous they behave; more free money for nothing to crap on next month. Again. Still. SuckerNodes have proven to be obnoxiously incompetent, and their absolutely clownish behavior is a major barrier to adoption; business not only can't take them seriously, it's downright scary to think of them influencing a real budget... Like that of a company that is considering adopting DASH as a payment medium... Hell no! After watching how the SuckerNodes behave, no business would ever, ever, but never, trust DASH.

The budget was deliberately designed to be abused about 8 different ways. It's so badly broken it's not even worth looking at it... Screen door on a submarine would be an upgrade. A cookie jar for the usual suspects is the only function, and all manner of dysfuntion is ignored because cookie jar is all that matters.

The fact that the budget is a perpetual free money for nothing machine is the only reason it's there at all. Were it closed-ended and accountable, it would have collapsed the week after it was implemented.

This particular proposal is a fringe example, and barely a drop in the bucket of the quarter-decade shitshow that is DASH's so-called self-governance.
 
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you could create fake videos with real people, and get the money by yourself.
It would be extremely difficult to find 7000 actors to portray themselves in videos I create of them so I can send money that I am already in control of, to myself, for the purpose of cheating the Dash DAO. I would go as far to say that it is impossible. I don't have that much time.

It would be easy to audit the blockchain to verify that I am not cheating the DAO. Dash.red payments are visible and anyone can use a blockchain explorer to see where the money goes. I have done it a few times myself.

Just how worthless is DASH that the only way you can get people to use it, is to give it away for free?
I completely agree with this statement. In the case of Dash.red, we don't give it away for free. A user must spend some time to win it. It takes about an hour of game play to win the current daily maximum withdrawal of 38,000 duffs. Time is money. Time and money are finite resources. When you give Dash away in the way getfreedash was doing, people lose interest because there is no engagement, or worse, if they don't get paid, they end up disliking Dash.

Dash.red completes five major goals for Dash:
  1. Proves that Dash is feasible for transactions of any size.
  2. Lowers the average transaction size from transactions that are investment size (USD $10,000 or higher) to amounts that prove it is cash.
  3. Increases the number of transactions on the blockchain by a significant percentage. Dash.red represents about 25% of all transactions in Dash currently.
  4. Keeps Dash in the minds of people, in a positive way, day after day.
  5. Distributes Dash to people who are interested in learning how to use a cryptocurrency.
 

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Could you please sort the addresses of your individuals, so that we can see who wins a lot of money?
I can provide a searchable database table to DashWatch. They can then sort it anyway they want. Doing it on a few transactions isn't really going to get you anywhere. There are over 227,000 transactions in the list. I cannot just email it to anyone who asks.

The random address you picked looks to me like someone who plays every day and takes his winnings from the website. Nothing strange about it as far as I can tell.
 

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Can you provide a JSON api to them?
Probably yes. It is a database table, and the output can be formatted in just about any way you can think of. The question is, how do they want to audit it?
 

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I don't know how a JSON api would help them. I have an idea of what JSON is - a kind of standard format for things like transactions.

Whatever they request, I can find a query to make it happen. I just need the format they prefer.
 

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So where is the list of the addresses of these 7000 people?
When I receive an email from @paragon from dashwatch.org, I will send it to him. I ask that they inform me of the preferred format(s) they will need. They can call me on Skype if they want to discuss the possible formats. Any format of list that they require can be created in less than 24 hours. A simple dump of unique Dash Addresses or video links will be easy.
 
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but should not the Dash community be aware of the addresses
You can get the Dash Addresses off of the Live MNO report page that has already been provided. It proves transparency beyond a shadow of a doubt by showing the most recent 200 transactions.

DashWatch is the correct organization to do any further auditing and I will gladly provide them with any information they request. Just go to their website and contact them.
 
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I want all the 7000 addresses
A new member comes along out of the blue and says "I want" and I am supposed help you? Who are you and what makes you qualified to audit Dash.red? I provided you with a live report that only MNOs are supposed to have access to. That is more than enough. I don't know you or owe you anything.

The MNO community has voted in favor of DashWatch.org for auditing and verifying of projects submitted to the DAO. When you get the vote for such services, I will provide you with more.
 

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You are simply badgering and trolling. If you need to audit of Dash.red, go right ahead and follow one of these steps:
  • Collect Dash addresses from the provided page
  • Ask for an audit by DashWatch.org
I don't owe YOU the time of day.
 

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I just tried to create a static dump of the transactions and got this error! ha ha ha!
[Thu May 03 14:12:51.692570 2018] [:error] [pid 18400] [client 127.0.0.1:56319] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /var/www/html/wordpress/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 1889

I will have to work through this a bit.