Catch all system?

[buster]

I believe transparency is very important and seems to be brushed off the shoulder around here.

I did contact some core team individuals and they assured me expense reports for previous budgets will be provided, just not sure when.

I think it would be wise for the team to catch up on all these things sooner rather than later. There should be a set date each month for reports to be published, maybe a month behind actual budgets. I've never seen an expense report published since our first budget, which means we are about 3-4 months behind.

 

[alex-ru]

PR must be "invisible". If we report: 1-2-3-... are our "paid PR" - we will lose 90% of positive effect (in the best case). And as usual - we will get negative effect instead.
So "PR" - it is not about transparency.

Why do you actively require this? It will spoil everything.

 

[TheDashGuy]

PR must be "invisible". If we report: 1-2-3-... are our "paid PR" - we will lose 90% of positive effect (in the best case). And as usual - we will get negative effect instead.
So "PR" - it is not about transparency.

Why do you actively require this? It will spoil everything.

WHAT?

So now transparency isn't important? Because it interferes with our supposed "PR"? Thats bull.

Where am I?

I believe transparency is very important and seems to be brushed off the shoulder around here.

I did contact some core team individuals and they assured me expense reports for previous budgets will be provided, just not sure when.

I think it would be wise for the team to catch up on all these things sooner rather than later. There should be a set date each month for reports to be published, maybe a month behind actual budgets. I've never seen an expense report published since our first budget, which means we are about 3-4 months behind.

I would love to see this as well. Please focus on the things that matter and supply the information you guys promised, you can erase this whole issue then.

We don't care if someone disagrees transparency is annoying in this setting, it's not transparency when it's selectively used.

 

[alex-ru]

WHAT?

So now transparency isn't important? Because it interferes with our supposed "PR"? Thats bull.

Where am I?

Yes - In the case of PR - the transparency - is the most harmful thing.
Do you have experience in this area? I guess you don't.

 

[buster]

PR must be "invisible". If we report: 1-2-3-... are our "paid PR" - we will lose 90% of positive effect (in the best case). And as usual - we will get negative effect instead.
So "PR" - it is not about transparency.

Why do you actively require this? It will spoil everything.

PR is not the only budget. I'm thinking along the lines of.

"We need this much for Miami conference."
Miami happens and now,
"We spent our miami money on...
Item 1
Item 2
Item 3"

It keeps people accountable for the budget funds used.

This is one example. Also wasn't sure if your response was to me so this may not be relevant to your comment.

 

[TheDashGuy]

Yes - In the case of PR - the transparency - is the most harmful thing.
Do you have experience in this area? I guess you don't.

So we're supposed to just trust in whoever hired these guys? I don't see the logic in this.

If we can't have transparency, why are we being told its of utmost importance in the Dash community?

It's easy to yell we are transparent, it's much harder to follow through.

 

[David]

WHAT?

So now transparency isn't important? Because it interferes with our supposed "PR"? Thats bull.

Where am I?




I would love to see this as well. Please focus on the things that matter and supply the information you guys promised, you can erase this whole issue then.

We don't care if someone disagrees transparency is annoying in this setting, it's not transparency when it's selectively used.

Not that you actually care, but I think the idea was to time-lag the report rather than not to give one at all.

I'm curious why you're even asking. It's plainly obvious that if you were given a report saying "Terpin got this, this, and that article published" you would argue that there is no proof and that we are just lying to you. tungfa (part of the Core Team, in charge of PR) essentially already gave you a list, but you are calling him a liar, saying Terpin had nothing to do with those articles since there is no proof. Tungfa is pretty much the "official" word on what's going on with PR.

Short of a real-time webcam showing Transform.PR authors feverishly writing, I don't think anything anybody tells you is going to convince you.

 

[TheDashGuy]

Not that you actually care, but I think the idea was to time-lag the report rather than not to give one at all.

I'm curious why you're even asking. It's plainly obvious that if you were given a report saying "Terpin got this, this, and that article published" you would argue that there is no proof and that we are just lying to you. tungfa (part of the Core Team, in charge of PR) essentially already gave you a list, but you are calling him a liar, saying Terpin had nothing to do with those articles since there is no proof. Why would you trust anybody else?

Short of a real-time webcam showing Transform.PR authors feverishly writing, I don't think anything anybody tells you is going to convince you.

Analytics please. They exist for a reason. They know how many eyeballs read this stuff, they know how many website its on. Thats PLENTY.

But the attitude around here seems to be, we don't deserve to see proof because we're all too naive to understand it? really?

Keep on with this "I dont care thing". Please. I will gladly keep this up just to prove to you its exactly the opposite. I want to see the budget used for everyone, not 3 people. I want to see an ecosystem sprout up, not a slush fund for the foundation to use as they see fit. If thats the case, why do we even vote? Just take the goddamn money and be done with it.

I see noone around here understands passion, you keep trying to slap me down, I will keep coming right back at you until YOU get bored of it. because I care wayyyy too much about these principals to let your attitude toward me dissuade me.

 

[HinnomTX]

We should never have 512 or 1024 DASH unallocated in the budget, and the large catch-all proposals should never be given the chance to bump off a legit proposal. If there is DASH leftover, the unused currency should probably be rolled over to the next month's superblock, not burned.
There is the potential to manipulate the voting system with these proposals (at least more so than now). Let's say I'm a whale. I don't like a proposal that costs 512 DASH, I can vote NO for it and YES for Catchall-512. In this way I have the potential to steer large amounts of DASH away from a project and toward the core team. Unless I'm misunderstanding how these work...

I would vote yes for a modification to the budgeting system that allows unused funds to rollover to the next month (just like a bank account).This would keep the budget funds under blockchain control.

 

[TheDashGuy]

We should never have 512 or 1024 DASH unallocated in the budget, and the large catch-all proposals should never be given the chance to bump off a legit proposal. If there is DASH leftover, the unused currency should probably be rolled over to the next month's superblock, not burned.
There is the potential to manipulate the voting system with these proposals (at least more so than now). Let's say I'm a whale. I don't like a proposal that costs 512 DASH, I can vote NO for it and YES for Catchall-512. In this way I have the potential to steer large amounts of DASH away from a project and toward the core team. Unless I'm misunderstanding how these work...

I would vote yes for a modification to the budgeting system that allows unused funds to rollover to the next month (just like a bank account).This would keep the budget funds under blockchain control.

Some fair common ground. I like this idea.

 

[David]

We should never have 512 or 1024 DASH unallocated in the budget, and the large catch-all proposals should never be given the chance to bump off a legit proposal. If there is DASH leftover, the unused currency should probably be rolled over to the next month's superblock, not burned.
There is the potential to manipulate the voting system with these proposals (at least more so than now). Let's say I'm a whale. I don't like a proposal that costs 512 DASH, I can vote NO for it and YES for Catchall-512. In this way I have the potential to steer large amounts of DASH away from a project and toward the core team. Unless I'm misunderstanding how these work...

I would vote yes for a modification to the budgeting system that allows unused funds to rollover to the next month (just like a bank account).This would keep the budget funds under blockchain control.

Agreed. See my post here, and Evan's response:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/problems-with-budget-system-possible-solutions.7922/#post-82710

 

[HinnomTX]

Agreed. See my post here, and Evan's response:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/problems-with-budget-system-possible-solutions.7922/#post-82710

I honestly didn't see your post before writing, but I think you nailed out! I'm glad you have Evan's attention.

 

[Solarminer]

tungfa David

Can we get a report directly from Transform PR on what they have been doing?

If we are paying a contractor to do work for us, they should be the ones showing us what they are doing. Can we also find out what didn't go right and what went right and how they would change. I understand there may be the publicity surprise magic here, but really we need something from Transform PR directly. We are not asking you guys to defending them.

 

[TheDashGuy]

tungfa David

Can we get a report directly from Transform PR on what they have been doing?

If we are paying a contractor to do work for us, they should be the ones showing us what they are doing. Can we also find out what didn't go right and what went right and how they would change. I understand there may be the publicity surprise magic here, but really we need something from Transform PR directly. We are not asking you guys to defending them.

THIS.
Thank you for being able to read my crazed rants and make sense of them.

Can I hire you as my PR guy?

 

[David]

tungfa David

Can we get a report directly from Transform PR on what they have been doing?

If we are paying a contractor to do work for us, they should be the ones showing us what they are doing. Can we also find out what didn't go right and what went right and how they would change. I understand there may be the publicity surprise magic here, but really we need something from Transform PR directly. We are not asking you guys to defending them.

I don't work with them. Check with tungfa or Minotaur. If TheDashGuy doesn't believe tungfa I doubt he'd believe Terpin, but hey, what do I know.

 

[TheDashGuy]

I don't work with them. Check with tungfa or Minotaur. If TheDashGuy doesn't believe tungfa I doubt he'd believe Terpin, but hey, what do I know.

This is a trustless system, we only trust the proof of work.

Thats the entire idea behind crypto, right?