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Basilpop, the Dash subreddit moderator, does not have the temperament to moderate that community.

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  1. randomalbum

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    I have created a new forum users just because I don't want to link my Dash Forum account with my reddit one.


    Basilpop does not have the temperament to moderate a Dash subreddit and I propose he is replaced by someone more patient, willing to help, and not so aggressive towards members.


    It all started when this reddit user "MikeBam" posted some criticism about Bradley. I cannot link to the reddit post because this is a new user account, but just search for this on the dash subreddit.

    Dash's Global Director of Business Development, Bradley Zastrow, has been in his position for almost 6 months now. He hasn't hired a single person for his team, and hasn't announced any integration or partnership. His updates are [redacted] or vague ("30+ conversations"). Is it time we do something?

    Whether I agree with this post or not is not the point. Basilpop, dismissed the opinions of another member by calling him ignorant and an "outsider". I pointed out that just calling him ignorant doesn't help with anything and whether is is an "outsider" or not has no relevance to whether his opinions are true or false.

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    Long story short, I was banned.

    I'll post the entire chat here for you to judge. I am very sad that someone like Basilpop is in a position and I hope he is removed. I would hope Dash would have moderators that don't judge members on whether they're new or not, that don't call them ignorant at all (especially without showing where they might be wrong) and that actually educates new users with all the real facts. Calmly.
    Here is the chat in it's entirety.

    Ask yourself if this is the sort of moderator you want for the Dash subreddit.

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    After this last reddit post he banned me, so I went to try and have a conversation with him via chat.

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    Well I don't care about linking Reddit to my forum profile as anyone who doesn't live under a rock knows I am said mod, so here goes.

    It's interesting how you omit crucial information here. You make it look like you were banned for a simple disagreement. Let's look at a screenshot of the actual reason for the ban:

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    You claim r/dashpay moderators attack others on a regular basis. We have a rule on our subreddit which states that no user shall pass speculation as fact (Rule 6) and this is a heavy speculation/accusation that cannot remain unaddressed, so I requested you to back up that statement or face a temporary ban for subreddit-rule violation. You provided a single link to a single comment ("regular basis"?) in which objectively no ad-hominem took place as anyone can verify right here

    I gave you another chance which you blew by insisting on the invalid example from before so the ban was enacted exactly as announced.

    To give the community a full account of what happened, here's the thread that link was taken from, with emphasis and remarks (the rest speaks for itself):

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    Your behaviour previous to this incident was erratic as well to say the least. These are some of the repetitive comments I was referring to as "crusade" where you accuse anyone you disagree with of using "personal attacks" or "ad hominems" where none took place.

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    You seem like an oversensitive SJW snowflake to me with way too thin skin to ever use any internet message board at all.

    I stand firmly by my decision.
     
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    I rest my case on the above.

    Basilpop / Macrochip does not have the proper temperament to be a moderator. This is not the kind of person we want speaking on the behalf of the Dash community.
     
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    So that's the best you've got? Proving my very point? How about you address the mountain of evidence I just presented against your claim of me banning you on a casual disagreement?
     
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    According to Macrochip / Basilpop, calling a Dash subreddit member ignorant, outsider and "without the faintest idea" is not an ad-hominem attack because "he exhibited all of the characteristics."

    Do we really want someone with this temperament managing the Dash community on reddit?
    @amanda_b_johnson , @tungfa , @fernando , @Ryan Taylor, @TroyDASH, @ericsammons , @technoir



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    Another gem.

    Macrochip / Basilpop now decides who is a member of the Dash community or not.

    Imagine all the millions of dollars Dash spend on marketing and we now have this guy representing Dash's values and speaking on behalf of the community as a moderator.


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    I thought your case was resting? Thanks for repeating what I just posted though. *facepalm*

    Edit:

    I present

    The Reasonable Person's Guide To Ad-Hominems:

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    The right half implies there's evidence to back up the term, the left half cannot reasonably be backed up by anything as the terms are plain insults.

    If you disagree with that table, please explain in detail why.
     
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    I have to comment as well. Personally got a lifetime ban today from basilpop because I said the word “moronic” to him on Reddit.

    If 2 people getting bans in the same day are complaining I think it’s justifiable to say he’s using ad hominem attacks to keep his Reddit the way he personally likes it.

    Both post stemmed in controversial topics. If you just visit the Reddit it’s mostly dead anyway. I’m assuming he banned all the active members.
     
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    It happens to me today as well. A member insulted me first, then deleted his comments. @Macrochip / Basilpop gave the guy who started just a warning, but decided to ban me for 14 days.

    I am banned for 14 days from DASHPAY reddit because I said the word "fuck". That's how I talk, surely a warning would suffice?

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    @randomalbum I'm not sure why you tagged me - I am a moderator on the discord, not reddit, and I have nothing to do with deciding who has moderator privileges on Reddit.

    But, since you do seem to be asking for me to weigh in, I will say this. I disagree with @Macrochip's table above, in the sense that I think all 6 of the terms can be used as ad-hominems, and it is also possible for none of them to be ad-hominems. The ones on the left side are more rude and probably can't be evidenced. The ones on the right are more descriptive and potentially could be evidenced. However, whether or not describing a person in this way constitutes an ad-hominems depends on whether or not the description is being used in an argument.

    Note the difference:
    "He is an ignorant outsider, therefore his statement about Dash is wrong" would be an ad-hominem, because the premise is a description of the person and the conclusion does not follow.
    "His statement about Dash is wrong, therefore he is an ignorant outsider" is not an ad-hominem because the description of the person is not being used as the premise of an argument.
    "He is an ignorant outsider, and I am tired of retarded morons like him posting here" would also not be an ad-hominem, because there is no argument. However it would be a rude statement.

    From what I am able to tell, what @Macrochip said was not an ad-hominem, in my opinion. But I am using the more formal definition of the term, not as it is sometimes used colloquially to be synonymous with "insult" or "unsubstantiated insult".

    If you are asking me whether I would have responded in the same way that macrochip did, then I would say no. However, if you have a problem with the way the reddit is being moderated, then complaining to me or anyone else who isn't a subreddit administrator is unlikely to accomplish anything.
     
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    I got lifetime ban for saying “moronic” never had a warning or ban before that
     
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    Why are you still here? Didn't you sell all your coins because the evil greedy Masternodes didn't want to share with you something you were never entitled to in the first place? Please don't try to make this about ad hominems as well, you were banned during an entirely different conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with this one.

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    You even had the audacity to ask why you were banned in the mod-mail. Are you serious?

    It's easy to make up anything if the other person deleted their comment, so nobody can independently assess what was actually said, isn't it?
    I hereby testify that the user who deleted their comment did not directly insult anyone like mikebam did. The comment consisted of a faux resume from OP with silly qualifications like "advanced memery" and "basic concern troll tactics" and such stuff. No direct insult took place, hence the warning not to further provoke him anymore. The comment did not warrant a ban and despite me being unable to prove that now, you have to take my word and my past track record of honesty for it. I have no horse in this race and I don't care for either party in that debate. The rules are the rules and the only reason mikebam wasn't permanently banned was due to him being a mid-to-longterm community member, not some random nobody.

    Btw: I thought you were going to publish our DM-conversation from Discord?? No worries, I'll do it for ya:

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    To answer I still have 150 Dash invested. You are very wrong. Maybe you should read my post more carefully before just assuming.

    Of course I asked you... I didn’t know saying the word “moronic” would lead to a lifetime ban. Maybe I should have just said “Go F yourself” for a 14 day ban?
     
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    The result would've been the same. Do you know why? Because there was no prior provocation to warrant such a reaction. Your insult came out of the blue just because I corrected your false statement about the VCO causing inflation.
     
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    But you were incorrect and what you did say actually was pretty moronic. To say that Kuvacash never inflated Dash is none sense lol
     
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    Thank you for confirming how correct my decision was to permanently ban you from r/dashpay. With that behaviour you won't last long on this forum either.
     
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    Also “no prior provocation” are you saying you provoked “Go F yourself”?
     
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    @Macrochip / Basilpop

    Your role as a moderator is not "being right"! You have this obsessive necessity of being right all the time. You banned me for disagreeing over the definition of ad-hominem. A good moderator would have defused the situation. Instead, you escalated it to a whole new level. With me, with mikebam, with MizzyMax and many other users.

    You are not a friendly person, you do not have the patience or the temperament to manage a community, even though you might have all the facts right.

    I'm going to list plenty of examples of you being unnecessarily rude, using unprofessional language, failing to defuse a situation, escalating problems, and just out right being a jerk to other users. I want to be clear that I will fight for your right to be a jerk and say whatever you want, because I respect free speech, but not as a Dash Moderator.

    All these messages are just within the last 30 days.

    @TroyDASH , @fernando , @Ryan Taylor , @amanda_b_johnson , @coingun, @tungfa , @Bradley Zastrow , @Dashmaximalist , @TaoOfSatoshi , @splawik21 , @mastermined , @kot , @alex-ru , @QuantumExplorer @JGCMiner

    Is @Macrochip the kind of person you want speaking for the Dash Community?
    Does it look like he is welcoming to new members and contribute to healthy discussions?


    Remember, this is only from the last 30 days. And before someone comments on my post history, I am not a Dash moderator and do not speak for any community.

    I don't doubt he is a good member of the community, that he likes to be right all the time and probably is, but he is not a good moderator for Dash in any way, shape or form. Please remove him as a moderator, and set up official standards for the others.
     
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    Establishing official policies for moderator (and user) conduct, and procedures for how to review and handle potential violations, is something I think is a good idea for any community. When policies are well defined, it often results in easier decision-making, and less arbitrary or emotional arguments.
     
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    Here is a quote @Macrochip / Basilpop:

    "I'm known as the asshole mod and I thrive on that image." - Basilpop, the Dash subreddit moderator.

    I thought he as just a bad moderator, but he is a horrible person. How did someone like him ended up at any position of power within Dash?

    More evidence:

    - Rude and condescending. "You don't know how Reddit works. How is anyone supposed to know how your frontpage looks like? Also if you didn't subscribe how did you end up here in the first place?"
    - Rude to other members "So you got nothing but artificial indignation."
    - Instigating conflict "Burn all your paper money then. It's being used for crime elsewhere right now and you shouldn't have to endure that on your conscience."
    - Vulgar language, unprofessional behavior, accusing user of being a troll and an asshole. " Disparaging this community as a "sect" without any basis is not "dissenting in opinion", it's simply being an asshole. Goodbye troll."
    - Instigating conflict, failing to defuse the situation. "You're getting no more than you deserve for your behaviour. A friendly community doesn't mean a wimpy pushover-community."
    - Ad hominem towards a community "It's so ridiculous how neckbeard cryptards think otherwise."
    - Offending users, calling them insecure "I should be as insecure as you because I bought at sub-dollar!"
    - Straight up being a jerk "It's funny how your insecurity and intimidation facing Dash's superior funding model compels you to spread lies about "premines" and "companies"."
    - Vulgar, unprofessional, rude comments. "Just like you never had a clue about anything regarding Evolution's capabilities I similarly never had any "online dating profile" in my life. But, bitch, please go ahead and link to whoever you pathetic morons think is me."

    @MizzyMax , look here. It's ok when @Macrochip calls other people morons, but he gave you a lifetime ban when you said the word "moronic".

    - Offending members "It took your single braincell only 44 days to think of with that ingenious comeback? Wow, nobody's impressed!"
    - Threatening, being rude to members "Tell your little minions to keep their dumps on your own lawn, then there's no mud coming back at you."
    - Having to be right all the time, instigating conflict, fostering division. "You're unable to address my argument, so you're resorting to talk about "ego" and "personal issues". As soon as you start talking about feelings instead of facts you have admitted defeat. So again: Thanks for confirming everything I said."
    - Rude, unprofessional and offensive. "The fact that you were sulky about it waiting for this "opportunity" makes it especially pathetic. But you just had to add a cherry on top with that whiny forum post, didn't you. Gave me a nice chuckle, thanks for that."

    He is also not friendly to the people in this forum too.

    - Rude, unprofessional and vulgar. "Stop pushing your personal agenda in every damn thread. Nobody gives a fuck about your personal butthurt over Ben Swann."
    - Rude, escalating conflict. "Oh dim-oh... you never fail to entertain with your lack of basic understanding, common sense and sanity. I voted no on that proposal quite a while ago."
    - Rude and innapropriate "You seem butthurt, I have something for you" (picture of a man being hanged)
    - Unprofessional and vulgar. "16 Masternodes" my ass."
    - Irresponsible, escalating conflict "Combined with the extremely irritating, disruptive and downright braindead nature of your "contributions" to this forum I strongly suggest you seek medical and/or psychological counsel to get your life back on track or what's left of it."
    - Ad-hominem to new users. "Thank you for your insight long time community member of 32 minutes able to talk about "us" in his very first post on this forum"
    - Rude, unprofessional, vulgar "This must be dumbest bug report I've seen in a long time. Stop reporting user stupidity as a bug wasting our developers precious time. Nobody is going to auto-trim spaces. Do you think you're the first person to experience this? God... why won't you just leave."
     
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    Hey @solarguy!!

    You are also a moderator for r/DASHPAY. Remember how yesterday I came to you asking if a 14 day ban wasn't too harsh, that a warning would be enough, and you lectured me on my lack of professionalism and said it was right for me to be banned for 14 days because I said the word "fuck"?

    Your buddy @Macrochip was just caught saying all of this on r/dashpay: FUCK, ASS, DAMN, SINGLE BRAIN CELL, MORON, PATHETIC MORON, INSECURE, ASSHOLE, BITCH, SMALL-MINDED, SNOWFLAKE, BULLSHIT, CLUELESS, DUMB, FUCKING, FACTUALLY CHALLENGED. But nothing happens to him, right? How is that professional standard going now eh? I get a 14 day ban because I said the word "fuck" after someone insulted me, but your buddy gets a free pass to keep insulting people.

    He has a proven history of offending and disrespecting users, but you don't do anything, do you??? Not only you don't do anything to ban him, but also you don't undo his mistakes.

    So, @solarguy, it's ok when your buddy does it but not everyone else yeah? You double standard hypocrite!
     
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    Basilpop has shown increasing levels of restraint in response to concerns expressed from the community.

    Also, he has invited a number of other people to share in the moderating duties at Reddit DashPay, perhaps because he recognizes his, "Get off my yard!" style of moderating may not be appropriate for all circumstances.

    Furthermore, nobody doubts that Basilpop is devoted to the Dash cause. Yes, perhaps a bit too enthusiastically at times. He certainly does not engage in concern trolling.

    And finally, regardless of what has, or will be done with regards to Basilpop, it does not change the fact that you broke the rules, and you suffered the consequence.

    Perhaps you should show him up by example. By being always respectful and professional, always avoiding vulgarity, treating those with differing opinions with dignity and grace.


    That is what I attempt to do. I am not in charge of the world and have a limited sphere of influence.
     
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    Hmmm “you pathetic morons” - basilpop

    So @solarguy will you give him the same ban he gave me?

    EDIT: Or will you now lift my ban because I only see it as fair that we get the same punishment.
     
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    Are you kidding me?! I just posted a list of all the insults from the past 30 days.
     
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    I signed up with Dash.org to purely to add my comments on this thread.

    My experience.

    I am (or was) a new Dash user. I tried Dash and whilst it did work, I found the confirmation times were relatively slow (3-4 minutes, if I recall). This is was my experience. A few weeks had passed and I had sold my Dash and moved on, but noticed a thread on Reddit about "Ignore Dash" which was a thread about strategies to get new users. It also talked about "instant confirmations" which piqued my curiosity. I relayed my own experience with Dash's slow confirmations on the off chance that someone might respond with something useful. This is where I became acquainted with the moderator, Basilpop.

    I can't quote directly from the thread because it seems to have been deleted (except for the original post), but I started with the following comment.

    "That'd be great if Dash had instant confirmations. I tried it a few weeks back and it was like watching paint dry."

    That post may sound somewhat ignorant, and it most certainly was, however, that very same term "ignorant" might also apply to the expectation that every single user is born knowing every single technical detail about Dash. If you want to bring new people into Dash, treating them like idiots for not knowing everything about Dash, is slightly counter-productive, IMHO. At the time I made the post, I had no knowledge of instant pay (the feature) or master nodes. As far as I was concerned at the time, Dash was no faster than, or different to, any other comparable crypto.

    Now, paraphrasing, because like I said, the thread was deleted, but Basilpop replied to the thread saying something to the effect that the "instant pay" feature had been turned off for a while, but was back now and that I should have checked this before I started spreading incorrect information.

    Sounds fairly subtle, but already the arrogance and disdain that Basilpop regularly shows towards others is evident. The accusation is implicit; that I was there merely to spread misinformation.

    So I replied to this saying that I was not there spreading anything, but describing my own experience that was only a few weeks prior and asked whether the moderator was accusing me of lying. He then went on to say that yes he was accusing me of lying and that I was clearly stupid and so on. The thread degraded from that point. At no point did I call the moderator any name, suggest he was stupid or anything of the sort, yet I was repeatedly called a liar, stupid, and told that Dash wouldn't want people like me (again paraphrasing) anyway. It would appear that the whole point of the thread (to discuss ways to bring more people to Dash) was lost on the moderator who appeared dead set intent on personally attacking and belittling me. Apparently Dash doesn't want people who aren't already experts in Dash. i.e., Dash doesn't want new users after all.

    At that point I checked the moderator's history and quickly saw that (no exaggeration) at least 80% of his posts on Reddit were of the same sort. The moderator, always right (of course), talking down to people like they are gutter trash. The motif was unmistakable. Even other users were making the same points about how the moderator continually talks down to people and generally lacks the civility one would expect from a moderator. There appears to be a long history of this going on.

    After discovering the above, I pointed out to the moderator that their conduct seemed to follow a pattern and that perhaps there are some issues they need to address, because they were not fulfilling the role one would expect of a moderator. Of course, at that point I was banned (though I had already left the group before the ban was instigated). I had expected to be banned, because it's not about assisting someone to learn something new, it's simply about the power play.

    Getting back to my personal experience with Dash. Yes, it was my experience. No, I am not lying. No, I am not stupid (one doesn't obtain several software patents by being stupid, let me assure you). I was, however, new to Dash and was not aware that there was an instant send feature. I was not aware of master nodes. A helpful moderator would have started by believing what I posted and enquiring about the specifics of my experience, such as what wallet software I used and any additional details. They might have also enquired as to my knowledge/experience level and whether I was aware of feature X, Y or Z and potentially provided some information on those features, and encouraged me to try again, after I brought myself up to speed. An unhelpful moderator, like the one I encountered, on the other hand immediately accuses the poster of being a liar and stupid and merely present to spread misinformation.

    I felt compelled to respond here, because as a person who has worked in the software industry for many years and who is also an employer, I would absolutely not want the kind of person who I encountered on Reddit to be anywhere near potentially new users of my product. Feel free to consider this information, or ignore it, it matters not to me.

    Regards,
    Keith.
     
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    This is what @Macrochip has said to me at the beginning of this very first thread. He knows absolutely nothing about me. I could be a 18 year old girl or a 55 year old veteran, and yet he explicitly attacked me, in front of you all to see. He did the same with hundreds of people on r/dashpay and on this forum, as I have proven.

    He insulted, offended, mocked, ridiculed and angered hundreds of people. He also abused his power and banned users without any criteria. He broke rules hundreds of times https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/about/rules/ . What else does somebody need to do to have moderator privileges revoked?

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    The Dash community is very friendly, respectful of each other and open minded. Name calling and insulting another user is strictly forbidden and may lead to a ban in extreme cases.​

    I have a question to all the moderation team of r/Dash that haven't commented: @tungfa @moocowmoo @amanda_b_johnson @thedesertlynx: Did you know about all this? I don't think you did, because I would be very disappointed if 5 respected members saw everything and did nothing. Now that you do, are you going to to allow someone like him to continue to be a moderator?
     
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  28. Keith M

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    It also seems that no one here really knows what "Ad hominem" means, with the exception of randomalbum.

    It's simply when you avoid addressing the argument and instead direct comment at some attribute of the person making the argument, whether those characteristics are true or not. So everything in the earlier table can be an ad hominem if used as a strategy to either avoid addressing the argument, or to undermine it.

    The idea that "outsider", for example, is never an ad hominem, demonstrates a lack of understanding of the meaning of the term. Basilpop is demonstrably X, but that being so, I can't use that fact to bolster my arguments, or undermine his. Being X doesn't automatically invalidate logic or have any bearing on the argument being made.

    This is the difference between approaching a claim of, for example, "The development team is not doing anything" with either...

    1.) You one post wonder coming in here thinking you know everything about Dash. You are an outsider! The development team just released an update, so you are clearly wrong.

    versus

    2.) I notice you are a new user here. Welcome to the Dash sub-reddit. You appear to be concerned about a lack of development. As someone who is actively engaged with the Dash community I can assure you that this is not the case. You can see for yourself here and here. If you would like to discuss this or have any questions please let me know.

    Which type of face do you all want Dash to have?

    Irrespective of the above, what concerns me the most about this thread is that there appears to be some kind of obsession about new people and outsiders and how they are seen as some kind of threat, instead of the opportunity that they are! New users who have a positive experience bring in more new users and so on. If you drive off new users, like you did me, welcome to the downward spiral; we'll see Dash at CMC #300 in due course.

    I normally charge a lot of money for my time. You just got it for free. Use it how you see fit.

    Regards,
    Keith.
     
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  29. Captain_Tom

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    Yup, I will comment on this: I am a fierce DASH supporter, but I am not stupid. I have issues with SOME of the decisions the DASH team has made, and I am absolutely not afraid to openly defend my positions respectfully.

    This guy banned me from the DASH subreddit for disagreeing with him on something. Really - that's why I was banned. I am banned from the subreddit of the coin I have the most holdings in....

    What a great community... /s
     
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