Rebranding Followup
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HinnomTX
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Most merchants I've talked with have the same view you describe of Darkcoin with Bitcoin. They're not interested. They have bills to pay, inventory to manage, and no time or financial capability to sit on Bitcoins and speculate. They simply don't have customers asking about it yet, and they don't have employees who want to get paid with it yet, so they don't look into payment processors that will take BTC. It's classic chicken and egg. If they can't identify with Bitcoin then no other cryptocurrency is going to work for them. This should tell you how early we are to the dance ball, and that we have a long road ahead of us. This is like 1994, dawn of internet age. We need serious patience here. Remember how so many gave up on Bitcoin only to find themselves regretting that lost hard drive.
TaoOfSatoshi
Well-known member
...In your opinion. Some of us think the name is quite grand. Our opinions don't count?
What's wrong with having a good Twitter logo? You made one for me yourself...
Ignition75
Active member
Dash is growing on me...
TaoOfSatoshi
Well-known member
I have done nothing of the sort. But I respect your opinion. Regardless of people who would seek to bash me, I will still continue to run my successful Twitter initiative, and I will continue to bring investors into DASH. I'm not sure what it it is I'm doing that you don't like, it's been totally successful. Maybe one day you will understand that.
Listen to youself. Calling it DASH before the final decision is going to make people think this is a unilateral decision more so than they already think!
HinnomTX
Active member
Maybe we have a transitional period, like when the 280ZX came out. Remember the NISSAN 280ZX by Datsun? Before that they sold the Datsun 280z. After the 280ZX, everything they sold was a NISSAN.
Our company can be Darkcoin.
Our product can be DASH.
And we can market it as
DASH
Powered by Darkcoin
Eventually in a year or so we drop the Darkcoin moniker.
Our company can be Darkcoin.
Our product can be DASH.
And we can market it as
DASH
Powered by Darkcoin
Eventually in a year or so we drop the Darkcoin moniker.
aaxx1503
Active member
When a bunch of people on twitter start mocking the new name, it's time to take a hint. The community shouldn't be this divided over a new name. Most people are on board for a name change, just not "Dash". I made you a logo because I appreciate the amount of work you put in, even if I think that energy could be better focused and I really don't agree with some things you seem stubborn on. And I definitely don't think all opinions are equal depending on the subject. The fact that you want to be "the dash dalmatian" and that you can't STFU and stop calling it Dash like everyone agreed on it reduces the worth I place on any marketing idea you may have close to zero.
I saw you on the Bitcoin Rush video, it was an akward and uncharismatic presentation. You don't have a notion on how appearances work in relation to attracting the right kind of attention. You don't have what it takes to judge whether something is cool or not as perceived by the general public we are trying to reach and yet you continue to insist on your ideas. Maybe one day you will understand that.
eltito
Active member
Though it is open for public discussion and input is sought and welcome, this is ultimately a decision for Evan and the Foundation to make. We are exploring the feasibility of securing a trademark on the Dash name, but this will include some legal maneuvering, so frankly, expectations for timelines are unrealistic at this point.
In the meantime, if anyone has a name in mind that works better than Dash, we're all ears. The name didn't do much for me at first either, but the more I considered it, the more it grew on me and I find myself unable to come up with anything better (and I challenge anyone here to do just that).
Yidakee has the right of it on page 9 IMHO. It's a solid name for this product for a number of reasons.
TaoOfSatoshi
Well-known member
I don't see that everyone disagrees on the name.
Tao, my main issue is that you are very quick to push PR for DASH before it is OFFICIAL. This isn't necessarily about whether DASH is a good name, it is about timing. I would hate to see you jump the gun on PR for a name that may not be. There would be pushback from those outside the community and make it seem like we name change all the time. I know you have control over many aspects of the Darkcoin PR so I just want to make sure you aren't jumping the gun. Sometimes your enthusiasm gives off that feeling.
aaxx1503
Active member
You see what you want to see and you reply to what you want to reply.
So I read through some more discussion on the events around the name change and updated my initial post on this topic above. Here is my edit:
I found a post on BTC that clears up some of my misconceptions about the decisions made.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10726461#msg10726461
I still feel like this could have been done better and it seems that some of the foundation are admitting that and apologizing. As much as I'd love a full explanation etc. I know there are more important things afoot for the community that Evan and the foundation are dealing with and I will trust they are making wise decisions. I still hold that more in the community should have been consulted, especially vertoe. Why vertoe? Because he/she put an incredible amount of time and energy into so many aspects of this project and his/her departure could have been prevented by proper communication and asking for input. Evan admitted he did not ask vertoe for his/her opinion because "it was already public."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10726739#msg10726739
That is not a good enough reason to not include one of the most active devs on the team in the discussion.
I found a post on BTC that clears up some of my misconceptions about the decisions made.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10726461#msg10726461
I still feel like this could have been done better and it seems that some of the foundation are admitting that and apologizing. As much as I'd love a full explanation etc. I know there are more important things afoot for the community that Evan and the foundation are dealing with and I will trust they are making wise decisions. I still hold that more in the community should have been consulted, especially vertoe. Why vertoe? Because he/she put an incredible amount of time and energy into so many aspects of this project and his/her departure could have been prevented by proper communication and asking for input. Evan admitted he did not ask vertoe for his/her opinion because "it was already public."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10726739#msg10726739
That is not a good enough reason to not include one of the most active devs on the team in the discussion.
eltito
Active member
In our last meeting, I floated a similar idea to the other Foundation board members. The idea would be to rebrand InstantX to Dash for the purpose of name association, then later on drop Darkcoin and fully tranaition to Dash. There are good arguments against this, however. It may cause confusion, for one thing, and dragging out the process may make the transition more painful in the future as brand awareness increases.
Agreed. When it is time to make the change, rip the bandaid off all at once.
Eltito man what have you been up to? I haven't seen your name in like 6 months. Are you envolved with the foundation board? Do you mind explaining your roll? I don't want to come off rude I am truly curious. I am realizing I do not understand how the foundation works. Does being a member mean much?
* Is it sort of a tool to be able to make legal purchases etc?
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eltito
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I've been getting to know and adjusting to life with my new son
. I'm not sure my mind would have survived both that and frequent exposure to the world of crypto-currencies intact...I am one of the five members of the Foundation board, yes. I currently serve as Secretary. That has been my primary involvement with the coin for the past few months. My personal life is finally returning to a modicum of normalcy and predictability, so I hope to be around more.
Congratulations! I do remember hearing of the the baby now, good to see you manI've been getting to know and adjusting to life with my new son
I am one of the five Members of the Foundation board, yes. I currently serve as Secretary. That has been my primary involvement with the coin for the past few months. My personal life is finally returning to a modicum of normalcy and predictability, so I hope to be around more.
eltito
Active member
Basically, yes. It is a way to build structure around the coin in ways that may be difficult for an individual or disparate group to do. It allows us to coordinate fundraising and expenditure, advocate and/or lobby in the interests of the coin (or crypto in general) in an official manner, facilitate strategic planning and the formation of strategic vision for the coin moving forward, facilitate communication with appropriate entities or individuals where appropriate, among other things. The board is currently structured to include representation from several areas - myself from the community, Fernando as a non-US member and attorney in the EU, Evan from the technology and development side, Ed and Harold from a business/investment and US legal standpoint, respectively.