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Pre-Proposal - Dash Italia HomeSchooling for Children

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Request: 83 Dash/Month for 3 months (total 249 Dash) - the request would cover approximately half of the costs described below and at the current value of Dash. I could reevaluate at the launch of the Proposal at the next superblock based on what value it will have considering the volatility of this period

Homeschooling is known throughout the world as the possibility of educating one's children in the family, privately, as free as possible from the hands and doctrine of the state.
This practice is also spreading in Italy, although it is difficult to make it sustainable because it is hardly tolerated by the State itself (although it is a legally recognized right) and because there is no economic aid to be able to practice it in the long term or, better still, structure it with a new socio-economic vision.
For these reasons, in Italy there are few families who face this choice: an estimated 20,000 children in homeschooling throughout Italy (number more than doubled in the last 3 years, before 2020 an estimated 7,000 children were estimated) compared to over 700,000 children in school age. This is also because this possibility is not known or advertised at all for obvious reasons.

This Proposal aims to help financially an informal reality that has already existed for 2 school years (born in September 2021) which is facing difficulties, mainly economic, with the organization for the years to come.

The reality is made up of 11 families, therefore 11 children aged between 6 and 13, and 4 educators:
- A one-of-a-kind teacher for Primary children.
- A foreign language teacher for all ages.
- A teacher for the humanistic and logical-mathematical-IT area for the Secondary age group.
- A teacher for the science area for all ages.
These are the current numbers destined to grow because interest in the area is spreading thanks to the existence of this reality and as early as September 2023 at least 2 new families will join.

The average of the costs incurred in these two years is around 4500 euros per month which include:
- Time committed by the educators (on average 54 hours a week among all four)
- Seat rental and energy bills
- Purchase of food for children's snacks and meals
- Purchase of school supplies
- Organization of educational outings
- Organization of artistic laboratories and/or of various nature

Using a Proposal, the goal would be to address part of these costs using Dash as:
- Food can be purchased in local businesses that accept Dash without advertising, or via Bitrefill in stores such as NaturaSi or other brands in the area.
- The educators are willing to accept Dash to cover a large part of the hours worked which could also be compensated by Bitrefill vouchers (such as fuel vouchers, shopping vouchers, etc.).
- The lessee is available to fully accept Dash also for energy bills.
- School supplies can always be purchased through Bitrefill and partially in local businesses that accept Dash without advertising.
- Field trips and workshops can be paid for in Dash at least with those operators and/or Associations already prepared to accept it locally without advertising.

In general we think that Bitrefill (or other platforms that allow the purchase of vouchers in Dash, such as Cryptorefill) will be very helpful by using it as a "wellfare" line by stimulating those who actively participate in this project.

However, the most important aspect concerns the fact that the families and teachers-educators involved are proving to be very interested in the subject (also considering the Dash Evolution project and the enormous restrictions that will be met with the economic, legal and undeniably also social) and periodic meetings are being organized to deal with them, deepen them and pass them on with simplicity also to children: new concepts of work, of product exchange, of sovereign digital identity, of real possession of one's own value and, as you know, much more up to to what could be defined as a personal pension through participation in Masternodes.
All issues that must be tackled first with families in order to then be able to pass them on to the children delicately and with enormous simplicity, preparing them for a more responsible society.

Currently, in the last months of the school year that has just ended, the texts of Twin's Tuttle have been inserted as an introduction to most of the topics discussed above, both in Italian and in English in digital form, in Italian in paper form, (https://www.gemellituttle.it/contenuti/libri-11 ) around which structured laboratories have been created to consolidate part of these concepts.

The intention, if this Proposal passes, is to take photos and short videos to demonstrate what has just been written, even together with the children (censoring the faces for privacy) and advertise everything on the various Social Dash-Italia under our management (https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Dash-Italia-Social-Management )
 
However, the most important aspect concerns the fact that the families and teachers-educators involved are proving to be very interested in the subject (also considering the Dash Evolution project and the enormous restrictions that will be met with the economic, legal and undeniably also social) and periodic meetings are being organized to deal with them, deepen them and pass them on with simplicity also to children: new concepts of work, of product exchange, of sovereign digital identity, of real possession of one's own value and, as you know, much more up to to what could be defined as a personal pension through participation in Masternodes.

Regarding periodic meetings that form a community, you may have a look at the encointer community, and its protocol that ensures that these meetings are real person meetings.

In order for a community to ask money from the dash network, the dash network must be ensured that this community is not a fraudster.
 
Using a Proposal, the goal would be to address part of these costs using Dash

You may add several "vote the numbers" 24 months proposals into the budget, asking to be paid from 0 to 4500 euro every month.

For 5 proposals granularity, it will cost you 5 dash proposal fee (use mnowatch proposal generator).
Here follows an example of the page that the masternodes will use in order to vote a number for your proposal.


You may contact me to customize the page and add special info into the "get info" button, related to your proposal.

Then, you can regularily check the voting participation of the previous budget cycle (with this tool) , and you will judge whether it is safe for you to cast (in the current budget cycle) a final yes/no proposal (refering to the decided number of the previous cycle), and receive the fund.

Finally if your community flourishes, you can change the semantics of the voting range (for example a range from 100 to 9000 euro) without paying another 5 dash, by preserving the same "vote the numbers" proposals. In that case you have to take into account the voting history of http://mnowatch.org, in order to exclude the votes of the masternodes that have been casted before the change of the range. Otherwise your estimation about the will of the masternodes will be false, and your final yes/no proposal will be probably rejected. The calculation of the results after a range change can be done manually by using the public data of http://mnowatch.org, or can be automated and customized upon request by the mnowatch admins.
 
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Request: 83 Dash/Month for 3 months (total 249 Dash) - the request would cover approximately half of the costs described below and at the current value of Dash. I could reevaluate at the launch of the Proposal at the next superblock based on what value it will have considering the volatility of this period

Homeschooling is known throughout the world as the possibility of educating one's children in the family, privately, as free as possible from the hands and doctrine of the state.
This practice is also spreading in Italy, although it is difficult to make it sustainable because it is hardly tolerated by the State itself (although it is a legally recognized right) and because there is no economic aid to be able to practice it in the long term or, better still, structure it with a new socio-economic vision.
For these reasons, in Italy there are few families who face this choice: an estimated 20,000 children in homeschooling throughout Italy (number more than doubled in the last 3 years, before 2020 an estimated 7,000 children were estimated) compared to over 700,000 children in school age. This is also because this possibility is not known or advertised at all for obvious reasons.

<<<Socialist stuff here>>>


This sounds like a great idea when Dash is back over $1000, let's keep it on ice til then. 😉
 
Regarding periodic meetings that form a community, you may have a look at the encointer community, and its protocol that ensures that these meetings are real person meetings.

In order for a community to ask money from the dash network, the dash network must be ensured that this community is not a fraudster.
I honestly disagree with what you're saying :unsure:.

The Dashes of the Superblock belong to everyone and nobody at the same time, they are borrowed from nobody and everybody at the same time.
The real strength of the DAO is being able to vote YES or NO or abstain depending on what the advanced Proposal sees as real and useful to the Dash network.

In traditional government systems, the Fiat ones, what you say is true because the money comes out of the pockets of all taxpayers to be used "collectively" (almost always in the worst way), but in a system like Dash's DAO the balances they are very different and the contact totally direct... the network likes the idea of the Proposal and the methods chosen to show the work done, vote YES, otherwise vote NO and the funds are interrupted and subsequently, in my opinion, it becomes more difficult to resubmit new Proposal because the "trust points" of that user decrease.

In this case it is an "experiment" with however already 2 years of consolidated foundations, both from the point of view of the Social channels and from those of the experience with homeschooling.

We are all aware (families and teachers) that if this Proposal passes, it will be necessary to make it known, in a manner defined by us (not by others and above all the commitment to demonstrate that it is not correct that it proves to be superior to that of realizing the Proposal itself) , the work done and the fact that the Dash are actually used as exposed because there is also the image of Dash Italia to maintain ... but thinking of wanting to monitor every micro Dash spent is certainly not a good way to proceed and looks like much to the digital wallet approach and CBDC as a mentality... it doesn't seem to me at all in the Dash philosophy. In fact, I have always been of the opinion that the Dash received from Proposal should be mixed in compliance with the original values of Dash, privacy and financial freedom.

We have an idea, we already have experience in it, we ask for support from the DAO (making this idea also useful for the Dash network) which decides by voting, we show the work done in our own way and if the DAO appreciates it, trust is created for future Proposal, otherwise yes interrupts.

The term fraud in all of this completely changes its meaning... because you can cheat the Dao once but at that point you will no longer receive any funds in the future.
 
You may add several "vote the numbers" 24 months proposals into the budget, asking to be paid from 0 to 4500 euro every month.

For 5 proposals granularity, it will cost you 5 dash proposal fee (use mnowatch proposal generator).
Here follows an example of the page that the masternodes will use in order to vote a number for your proposal.


You may contact me to customize the page and add special info into the "get info" button, related to your proposal.

Then, you can regularily check the voting participation of the previous budget cycle (with this tool) , and you will judge whether it is safe for you to cast (in the current budget cycle) a final yes/no proposal (refering to the decided number of the previous cycle), and receive the fund.

Finally if your community flourishes, you can change the semantics of the voting range (for example a range from 100 to 9000 euro) without paying another 5 dash, by preserving the same "vote the numbers" proposals. In that case you have to take into account the voting history of http://mnowatch.org, in order to exclude the votes of the masternodes that have been casted before the change of the range. Otherwise your estimation about the will of the masternodes will be false, and your final yes/no proposal will be probably rejected. The calculation of the results after a range change can be done manually by using the public data of http://mnowatch.org, or can be automated and customized upon request by the mnowatch admins.
probably the previous answer largely answers to this too ✔️
 
This sounds like a great idea when Dash is back over $1000, let's keep it on ice til then. 😉
this is a bit of a "cat chasing its tail", a loop😅♾️ . Proposals like these can also serve to show that Dash is still very much alive in "real life" and therefore also to make it attractive again (as happened in the past with Venezuela, even if this Proposal has very different roots and potential in my opinion).
However, we are aware that the current situation is delicate and let's see what happens in the coming weeks.
 
@Dash News Italia , honestly, you didnt understand a word of what I said.

And I also hardly understood a word of what you have just said.

It seems to me that , although we both write in english, we are writting in a different language!

:ROFLMAO:
I apologize and surely my English is not the best.

I try to be shorter and more direct (based on what I understood from your post because actually it could be that I didn't understand it well): I think that the tools you are recommending, no doubt made with the intention of improving (and they will probably succeed in time), actually make it more complicated for now and deal with trying to solve a problem that, in my view, doesn't actually exist currently, plus they also add a cost to you that is outside of the Dash protocol, if I'm not mistaken.

I hope it's clearer that way.
 
I apologize and surely my English is not the best.

I try to be shorter and more direct (based on what I understood from your post because actually it could be that I didn't understand it well): I think that the tools you are recommending, no doubt made with the intention of improving (and they will probably succeed in time), actually make it more complicated for now and deal with trying to solve a problem that, in my view, doesn't actually exist currently, plus they also add a cost to you that is outside of the Dash protocol, if I'm not mistaken.

I hope it's clearer that way.

There is no big extra cost. If you think 5 dash is too much for your proposal, you can select a 3 dash proposal (26 granularity). By giving 3 dash, you can create three numerical proposals and give to the masternodes 26 choices to vote for your number.

Assuming you want part of 4500 euros to be given as a bounty, you allow the masternodes to vote for your project to receive:
0 euro, 1 X173 euro, 2 X 173 euro, 3 X173 euro, ....., 26 X173=4498 euro

So your extra cost is 2 dash more, comparing to the 1 dash proposal fee. That way your proposal is not binded to a specific number, you allow the masternodes to vote and give you as much as they want.

I also apologize and surely my English is also not good.
 
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There is no big extra cost. If you think 5 dash is too much for your proposal, you can select a 3 dash proposal (26 granularity). By giving 3 dash, you can create three numerical proposals and give to the masternodes 26 choices to vote for your number.

Assuming you want part of 4500 euros to be given as a bounty, you allow the masternodes to vote for your project to receive:
0 euro, 1 X173 euro, 2 X 173 euro, 3 X173 euro, ....., 26 X173=4498 euro

So your extra cost is 2 dash more, comparing to the 1 dash proposal fee. That way your proposal is not binded to a specific number, you allow the masternodes to vote and give you as much as they want.

I also apologize and surely my English is also not good.
In these years I've been learning about Dash and what you're proposing I'm struggling to understand how it can work technically.
If you have technical details of the functioning of this procedure, could you post them here? just out of curiosity of course 🤓.
 
In these years I've been learning about Dash and what you're proposing I'm struggling to understand how it can work technically.
If you have technical details of the functioning of this procedure, could you post them here? just out of curiosity of course 🤓.

There are no technical details.
It is not part of the dash protocol, it relies on the semantics that the dash community accepts.
And it is not documented (yet), the only documentation is here.
Follow the links and read the theory behind.
 
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There are no technical details.
It is not part of the dash protocol, it relies on the semantics that the dash community accepts.
And it is not documented (yet), the only documentation is here.
Follow the links and read the theory behind.
Somehow, after much re-reading, I'm beginning to understand what the intentions of this tool are, but thoughtfully too complex to use and pass as a message. I don't understand in detail how this works, but I think I partially understand what you mean by "increase the granularity of voting".

Maybe with the Platform you can do something simplified to show a more tangible and simple proof of this idea.

It is a totally mathematical approach and it is difficult to expect that everyone must understand it considering the complexity of these topics which are even more difficult, therefore, to simplify.

I don't think I will try it for now, but I keep this topic in mind because, if well structured and simplified, it could actually become interesting.
 
@Dash News Italia Unfortunately, the tool for granularity is a bit convoluted because the masternode voters decided that such a feature at the protocol level should not be forced upon DCG (the current owners of the dash product). So we're stuck with caveman governance.
 
@Dash News Italia Unfortunately, the tool for granularity is a bit convoluted because the masternode voters decided that such a feature at the protocol level should not be forced upon DCG (the current owners of the dash product). So we're stuck with caveman governance.
These are just my opinions, but I think there are several top list topics that will need to be tackled (using the Proposal) once the Platform and part of the Evolution project have been launched and at least partially stabilized.

Among these I imagine that the legal structure will be questioned and therefore the Trust and everything that makes it up, obviously excluding Dash and the DAO.

Choices have been made since the birth of Dash and I think it is still important to pursue them by also accepting certain compromises and always remembering, in my opinion, that we are dealing with a project of enormous complexity that is completely pioneering... difficulties that anyone attempting to achieve the goal that Evan set for himself, one of a kind and with a vision of enormous scope which, currently, without a "DCG" would not even be half the work done.

There are probably thousands of innovative ideas that would be good to integrate into Dash and I'm sure the time will come to see them all realized.

Again, these are just my opinions.
 
Somehow, after much re-reading, I'm beginning to understand what the intentions of this tool are, but thoughtfully too complex to use and pass as a message.

It may be complex if you see it from the side of the proposal owner.
But from the side of the masternode voter, it is very simple.

What is the difficulty in the below page?


I think the above page is very simple, and every masternode will understand it.
 
It may be complex if you see it from the side of the proposal owner.
But from the side of the masternode voter, it is very simple.

What is the difficulty in the below page?


I think the above page is very simple, and every masternode will understand it.

And you can also try an even simplier url

 
And you can also try an even simplier url

I liked the law of numbers and also in this case, the basics, I don't mind at all.

However, I think that the application is not very effective at the moment and presented in this way, because realistically it does not only understand the numbers, but also how the Masternodes visually approach these numbers and how much they know this idea (few, I think).. how much would they vote really understanding the goal and this law of gods behind it I mean.

A masternodes that sees a proposal published 3 times (for example), to date, is highly unlikely to use these tools, but will vote yes or no in the same way all 3 times and using the usual tools they have always used and therefore for a user to try to publish a proposal 3 times would only increase the risk currently.

However, I repeat, which I think is an idea to be taken into consideration for a future structural change to the issuance of the proposals.
 
A masternodes that sees a proposal published 3 times (for example), to date, is highly unlikely to use these tools, but will vote yes or no in the same way all 3 times and using the usual tools they have always used and therefore for a user to try to publish a proposal 3 times would only increase the risk currently.

What are the usuals tools?
  1. https://www.dashcentral.org/budget where a discussion takes place.
  2. https://mnowatch.org/leaderboard/ and https://github.com/Bertrand256/dash-masternode-tool/blob/master/doc/proposals.md that point to the url the proposal owner gave, for further clarifications.
The community has very few tools that facilitate voting, but none of them originates from DCG. All these tools are private initiatives. DCG never offered a tool that facilitates voting. DCG not only does not code tools in order to facilitate voting, but also (intentionally?) spams the Dash community by advertising many irrelevent tools that do not support voting, so the community remains disoriented.

If you make it clear in the description of the proposal (as appears in the above few usual tools) that your (numerical) proposal is not voted the usual way but with the help of a url similar to https://tinyurl.com/ItaliaSchools, then the masternodes who like the idea of voting the numbers, they will vote the way you are asking them to vote, and they will reveal to you their real will.

Note also that the numerical proposals are planned to be tagged with a tag _DigitX (ex. ItalySchools_Digit1, ItalySchools_Digit2, ItalySchools_Digit3) with the help of a special tool (under construction, does not work yet), so that they can be distinguished to the normal proposals, and they can be filtered (in case someone does not like to bother with them).

The masternodes who dont like the idea the community to vote the numbers they will obviously try to troll the system and pretend they dont understand it. I believe that these masternodes are mostly the DCG proponents and the various government (or rival cryptos) agents that sabotage whatever effective governance may occur in Dash, since 7 years now, because their goal is to destroy Dash. They succeeded. Dash from rank 6 at coinmarketcap is now below 100, but I still hope this can be reversed.

The underlying motivation that made me code that stuff is to discover the stupid, the slaves of DCG, the government (and rival crypto) agents, and the free persons who want their real vote to be heard and to be counted. Because the more votes you collect from someone, and the more critical these votes are, the more you understand who he/she is and where he/she deserves to be.
 
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