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I think Dash needs some changes

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There's more to NFTs than just ugly monkey pictures, eg a ticket to a concert or movie, so NFTs are probably here to stay, just the initial bubble is over. If we assumed that tech and the online world was over after the tech wreck of 2001 then we'd have missed out of amazon and all the innovation that came after that, so don't worry too much about the crazy market of this shit and the utility of it. A better example is if we abandoned Bitcoin after its second bubble, Dash would never have forked, right?
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Or NFT's were just an overhyped crypto event, that are now going the same direction as ICO's.
All overhyped things come to an end eventually.

The real problem preventing new consumers from entering the market is the industry’s failure to innovate beyond using an NFT as a profile picture on social media.
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Source : marketscale.com/industries/business-services/what-went-wrong-with-the-nft-market-collapse/

I don't see that changing anytime soon, and i think Meta (and their research department) came to the same conclusion.
Which is why Meta is most likely now pulling out of NFT's.

I rather see DCG focus solely on Smart Contracts for Q4-2023, nothing else. Something tells me they will have more then enough work (and delays) on that.
 
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Source : https://www.extremetech.com/internet/meta-pulls-nft-support-plans-10000-additional-layoffs


Dash Roadmap :

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NFT's market imploded, companies pulling NFT support.
DCG : plans to add NFT support with Dash Platform v2.0

Either there is a real disconnect between DCG (which is mainly a group of developers these days) and the outside world, or DCG knows something we (and Meta and Instagram) don't know...
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You compare news released a day ago to the roadmap released when?
 
kot said:
You compare news released a day ago to the roadmap released when?
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The Dash Roadmap was updated recently after a long period of neglect. Before that update the Dash Roadmap also had NFT's support as Platform goal.
So in other words : the newly updated Dash roadmap just took the NFT's support part that was previously on it and placed it for Q4-2023.
Showing in my eyes a firm commitment to NFT's support later this year. Is that wise ? I am not sure.
Deserves at least some discussion.
 
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First of all, dash NFTs, like all Platform results, are limited to the consensus of 100 PoS nodes. If people can stomach that, they then need to have faith that both the dash project and Dash Platform are going to be relevant in, say, 5 years time. I think it's quite difficult to outrun Ordinals, despite the clunky implementation. Not to mention the upcoming censorship rules that will capture Platform.

Dash needs to innovate and get ahead of the next trend. NFTs alone is not going to cut it.
 
qwizzie said:
The Dash Roadmap was updated recently after a long period of neglect. Before that update the Dash Roadmap also had NFT's support as Platform goal.
So in other words : the newly updated Dash roadmap just took the NFT's support part that was previously on it and placed it for Q4-2023.
Showing in my eyes a firm commitment to NFT's support later this year. Is that wise ? I am not sure.
Deserves at least some discussion.
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Yes, some discussion might be needed in order to address question. However I can see your expectation of the roadmap immediately following news or changes in other companies. This is not rational.
The reason of Meta working on NFT might be completely different than reason why Dash would adopt NFTs.
And it is still only roadmap - it is not written in stone.
 
I share some of my own experiences. I'm a large OTC dealer from Sweden, in business since 2013.

No matter how many coins you provide on OTC platform, people on OTC market exclusively buy/sell BTC, even it takes hour to confirm, only me myself sometimes use Dash and ETH for quicker confirmations, and that is because I had those coins. Imagine, if I never had Dash, there is no motivation for me to use it. This is from end user perspective

The reasons I diversified to Dash during early days were simple: It is the first major coin with the staking in mind, and it is a combination of mining and staking, which put itself at a very special position on the whole crypto spectrum. On one hand, it provides mining, thus providing anonymous conversion between energy and crypto, and at the same time, it has staking, which ETH is exploring that alternative. So it acted as a safe bet since it has both technology. Even today, I think this mining/staking combination is still unique, but not sure what kind of utility is only available for such kind of a coin

Another reason I selected Dash was Amanda, she was simply the best female blogger at that time and even today no female can reach her level of understanding of blockchain. But I don't understand why she left Dash, and that is a huge loss for the community. It does not cost much to update some youtube or tiktok video, but that is attracting lots of audience, especially female users (I did have lots of female customers, it is amazing that they could buy and handle bitcoin in their own wallet)

I'm not worried about the new projects that pops up every week, those are typically one-man-company that drives millions of bots, has no real users at all, even FTX I think have much less real users than Dash. Gaining users takes many years

So I agree with OP's point that Dash need to increase its publication in forms of short video and newsletter. And trying to find an area that only mining/staking combination coins can do
 
johnyj said:
I share some of my own experiences. I'm a large OTC dealer from Sweden, in business since 2013.

No matter how many coins you provide on OTC platform, people on OTC market exclusively buy/sell BTC, even it takes hour to confirm, only me myself sometimes use Dash and ETH for quicker confirmations, and that is because I had those coins. Imagine, if I never had Dash, there is no motivation for me to use it. This is from end user perspective

The reasons I diversified to Dash during early days were simple: It is the first major coin with the staking in mind, and it is a combination of mining and staking, which put itself at a very special position on the whole crypto spectrum. On one hand, it provides mining, thus providing anonymous conversion between energy and crypto, and at the same time, it has staking, which ETH is exploring that alternative. So it acted as a safe bet since it has both technology. Even today, I think this mining/staking combination is still unique, but not sure what kind of utility is only available for such kind of a coin

Another reason I selected Dash was Amanda, she was simply the best female blogger at that time and even today no female can reach her level of understanding of blockchain. But I don't understand why she left Dash, and that is a huge loss for the community. It does not cost much to update some youtube or tiktok video, but that is attracting lots of audience, especially female users (I did have lots of female customers, it is amazing that they could buy and handle bitcoin in their own wallet)

I'm not worried about the new projects that pops up every week, those are typically one-man-company that drives millions of bots, has no real users at all, even FTX I think have much less real users than Dash. Gaining users takes many years

So I agree with OP's point that Dash need to increase its publication in forms of short video and newsletter. And trying to find an area that only mining/staking combination coins can do
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Amanda Cohosts the Incubator Podcast each week.
 
rion said:
Yep. @amanda_b_johnson never left as far as I know. And she might be more active than ever right now.
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Glad to hear that, but nowadays I do not see her video on mainstream forums like during 2016. I had a memory that was her own decision, sounds like some internal politics is the reason, I have seen so many of those cases in my enterprise career so I guess it might be something similar

For example bitcoin core devs group, they kicked out Gavin and went ahead with their segwit LN path, which is a dead end, already pointed out by many people back in 2016. They need 8 years to realize L2 is a no go, and at mean time ETH prospered
 
Yep, Amanda is definitely a great asset in the crypto space and more presence of her in Dash media would be very beneficial in my opinion.
 
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Once the Dash community stops clinging to a Big Fat Promise made in 2015 -- whether it's because that promise actually gets fulfilled somehow, or because everyone decides to finally let it go and move on -- maybe I could make videos again.

But until the dark shadow of The Promise ceases to loom over us, I truly can't promote the project to any meaningful degree. Because trust and excitement has to be re-established in *my mind* before I can try to convince *other people* to trust and get excited.
 
amanda_b_johnson said:
Once the Dash community stops clinging to a Big Fat Promise made in 2015 -- whether it's because that promise actually gets fulfilled somehow, or because everyone decides to finally let it go and move on -- maybe I could make videos again.

But until the dark shadow of The Promise ceases to loom over us, I truly can't promote the project to any meaningful degree. Because trust and excitement has to be re-established in *my mind* before I can try to convince *other people* to trust and get excited.
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Why not? Dash works, as is, right now. We're not a beta product, we're a functioning layer 1 blockchain and one of the oldest out there. We have proven security, chainlocks, instantsend, privatesend (CJ), masternodes, a democracy, I could go on! What DCG does or does not do doesn't change that.

If the community can't promote existing features, what makes you think the community can promote Evo? What makes you think the community can do any better than DCG in the past at promotion and marketing? We were bad at it, we heard the message and left it to the community and so far I'm seeing apathy and the community being just as bad!

Saying you're waiting for Evo seems to just be an excuse for failure to expand our community and our outreach, because it's far easier to simply blame DCG

DCG isn't blameless for the current situation, but there's plenty of that to go around. If we've got any chance of turning this around we need to come together and work on solutions, not be flinging mud at each other and definitely not be laying down and accepting defeat. It starts with outreach, getting new people in here and interested in Dash's current features, making connections
 
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Monotoko said:
Why not? Dash works, as is, right now. We're not a beta product, we're a functioning layer 1 blockchain and one of the oldest out there. We have proven security, chainlocks, instantsend, masternodes, a democracy, I could go on! What DCG does or does not do doesn't change that.

If the community can't promote existing features, what makes you think the community can promote Evo? What makes you think the community can do any better than DCG in the past at promotion and marketing? We were bad at it, we heard the message and left it to the community and so far I'm seeing apathy and the community being just as bad!

Saying you're waiting for Evo seems to just be an excuse for failure to expand our community and our outreach, because it's far easier to simply blame DCG
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Whether or not I personally am waiting for Evo is not the point. The point is that, judging by the treasury payments each month, the majority of voting MNOs are waiting for Evo as evidenced by their continued funding of DCG to deliver such.

This affects everyone else in the network. It dilutes everyone's holdings to give new coins to people who've yet to keep their promise.

The technical features of the existing product, while fantastic, cannot outweigh a lack of trust in the humans who underlie this whole thing. Blockchain networks at their core are people. So if the people cannot be trusted, in the end, neither can any of the technical features of the product.

So I cannot promote this network (its technical features or otherwise) until a basic level of integrity returns to the human element: that is, until people who make promises either deliver, or get they get de-funded.
 
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amanda_b_johnson said:
Whether or not I personally am waiting for Evo is not the point. The point is that, judging by the treasury payments each month, the majority of voting MNOs are waiting for Evo as evidenced by their continued funding of DCG to deliver such.

This affects everyone else in the network. It dilutes everyone's holdings to give new coins to people who've yet to keep their promise.
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Not all DCG funds go to Evo, there's core, infra (me, this forum!), web development, documentation, HR, insight, testnet... etc. DCG takes ~3000 DASH per month. Miners+Masternodes take ~45,000 DASH per month

Because the technical features of the existing product, while fantastic, cannot outweigh a lack of trust in the humans who underlie this whole thing.
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Why are we trusting humans? We are a decentralized network, moving money through the world with security and privacy. Have we forgotten who we are already? The world needs DASH now more than ever, the battle lines are being drawn around you and everyone who should have been doing promotion (because they love DASH and the community we have) has gone, they've made their money and fucked off!

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Christ, if I (the infrastructure engineer!) am the only one who sees what we have here and can promote today then we're completely hopeless. MNO's have a lot more to lose if we don't turn this around than I do, but people seem unwilling to do anything and just accept the spiral of death.

The community demanded Ryan resign, he did, no replacement suggested. The community demanded DCG stop marketing, we did and went to focus on being a dev shop.

Where's your replacement? Where are your developers? Where are your managers?
 
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Monotoko said:
Not all DCG funds go to Evo, there's core, infra (me, this forum!), web development, documentation, HR, insight, testnet... etc. DCG takes ~3000 DASH per month. Miners+Masternodes take ~45,000 DASH per month
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In that case, lets vote the numbers and decide the percentages, how much should go to EVO , how much to core, how munc to infra e.t.c.
 
vazaki3 said:
In that case, lets vote the numbers and decide the percentages, how much should go to EVO , how much to core, how munc to infra e.t.c.
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I honestly don't think it's a bad idea, but there's too much apathy amongst MNO's right now. Amanda's attitude here reflects the wider community right now, "Let someone else do it" - which is a very socialist attitude to have. Instead we need to foster growth and get some new members wowed with our current tech, I think we can do it.

For references let's take a look at other payment related coins among us. Anyone remember Nano? Here is their chart compared to ours:

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See the similarities? Because I sure do, now let's have a look what they're up to. They've made some really simple tech to show off what they have:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/15w822c

It's "hackerish" and it's exactly what we need right now, if DASH is ever going to be cool again. With our original outreach team (@amanda_b_johnson and thedesertlynx etc) coming back together and showing off what DASH can do today, with simple (and cheap!) tricks like this, we could kick Nano's ass. I remember people dunking on Nano back in the day and now we're somehow doing worse than them, how is that possible?
 
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