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This just goes back to the fundamental question of socialism and capitalism. I honestly don't mean to sound elitist, but why do we need so many people with voting powers? I can tell you now, we have people who are so vested in Dash, they deeply care about how it evolves, and take voting seriously. Their interest is in the Dash project's success. Why do more people need voting rights for what is at it's core a virtual corporation that provides a service? If you're so worried that nobody would ever sell their masternodes and only buy buy buy, I can tell you, to buy, you keep having to come up with more money. The price went up, and we've already had 50 MNs cash out (we're down 50 right now) and that can only mean new people will have the opportunity to buy in. And I submit that this will continue to happen, as it is a law of physics and it works in this case too, the law of entropy.

We only need a few people who will keep an eye out on what's going on, and evaluate proposed projects for their merit and if they think they should be funded. We have hundreds, and we definitely don't need hundreds of thousands! Especially if they're not heavily invested in Dash. If we made this currency a democracy, I promise you, everyone will vote themselves more and more coins, and we would have our initial rules recoded in no time, so we can spread the wealth, which really means, kill the value, kill innovation, kill the crypto economy and make everyone poor, just like Governments do today, except they at least have a few people that keep the lid on it, whereas, direct voting would be a fiasco.

Why does a heavily invested voter matter? Because s/he benefits from the success of Dash. If more users adopt Dash, the value of a coin goes up, s/he benefits, if people stop using dash (because of high fees, etc...) the value of a coin goes down. It behooves the Masternode owner to vote for the good of all, because that invariably is good for them. It's called enlightened self interest, and I think all the people who own masternodes are intelligent enough to get this.

But definitely not the general public. In the words of John Adams, Founding Father of the United States of America, and on a point all Founding Fathers actually agreed upon, and all having stated the same in one way or another, "Democracy never lasts long, It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide." This is due to the tyranny of the majority. If you read a lot of people on the forums, they insist we should have a democracy, which shows how little thought the average person puts into such things.

Some people talk about how, with the internet, we could all vote on everything, and we should do away with our governmental structure. Do that and the USA will be DOA and in chaos in no time at all. Worse still, the minority, whatever, whomever they are, will be trampled on and destroyed.
 
This just goes back to the fundamental question of socialism and capitalism.
TanteStefana

Quite the opposite. Ever heard of stock splits? http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stocksplit.asp

Stock splits make sense from a business standpoint, because you want more people to participate, even the little guy.

Microsoft for example, has had done dozens of stock splits through the years, without them small investors couldn't have afforded even 1 share.

Also, ever heard of congress or parliaments? If the masternodes are the senators, the lite nodes could be the congressmen. Both the senate and the congress has voting power and get to decide on issues.
 
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Okay, tell us, if you had 0.001 of a vote, what would you vote for? Give us some examples.
Nothing special, probably my votes would go to the same things that 95% of you. What I'm really concern of is the very ability to vote. You can name it 'inclusion'. Adding this feature will not change the power balance pretty much. Instead it will draw a lot new people to the community let alone big resonance in media. Is it bad for you?
 
@TanteStefana

Democracy is 1 person = 1 vote, Fraction voting is 1 DASH locked = 0,001 vote or less with taxes. Don't you see the difference here?

The difference I see is that when a person isn't heavily invested, they will benefit by voting themselves quick money, and let the system die long term. 1 dash is simply not enough. Maybe 500 is, but I don't see the benefit. There is no benefit to Dash to increase the voices. This does not restrict people's lives, their freedom, their choices, it's a service. A very different thing. And this service would NOT be better by having more people with a vote, and it would very likely suffer from such a thing.
 
I'm broke as hell and I operate masternodes. Less than 3 more than 1. The first one was collectively purchased with 2 friends of mine. *(it was not cheap). Everybody complaining about the cost of masternodes needs to forget about that shit and start saving. Convince your friends it's worth their 1000 bucks.

Why should we attempt to fix a clock that isnt broken? Is that how it goes? Voting is a privilege, the people who get to vote have earned that. If you want to be a part of this so called rich high society get off your butt, work and save some money... you think it's to late now? Wait 2 years see how late it is.

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"Convince your friends it's worth their 1000 bucks." - what I mean by that is get 5 people to get or 2, or 3 and create some kind of agreement to invest in a masternode.

The point is some people in other parts of the world can't save the way an American like yourself can save. It would take some people in some parts of the world many years to save what an american like yourself could save in one or two months.

Do we want an inclusive system or just a system of middle class people from rich countries to be part of DASH? That's the question.
 
TanteStefana

By the contrary. From what I see here, quite a few Masternode owners are shortsighted and think short term only. They don't want a more inclusive system because they are afraid it would affect their immediate masternode dividends. That's the only reason. That's not long term thinking at all. Anything else is bullshit rationalizing.
 
The point is some people in other parts of the world can't save the way an American like yourself can save. It would take some people in some parts of the world many years to save what an american like yourself could save in one or two months.

Do we want an inclusive system or just a system of middle class people from rich countries to be part of DASH? That's the question.

How about we make a tool where people can improve their lives, make a business, thrive? Why does everyone need a "voice". Eventually, and it won't be long now, Masternodes will be made up of shares, and they will be cheap enough, like common stock are, and anyone will be able to buy a piece of one, and enjoy the dividends. That's the proper way to do it. And I can see it easily being done so many different ways. And that Masternode can have it's own way to collect votes, but it will have one final vote, much like a republic with a representative, who will cast the final vote.
 
This just goes back to the fundamental question of socialism and capitalism. I honestly don't mean to sound elitist, but why do we need so many people with voting powers? I can tell you now, we have people who are so vested in Dash, they deeply care about how it evolves, and take voting seriously. Their interest is in the Dash project's success. Why do more people need voting rights for what is at it's core a virtual corporation that provides a service? If you're so worried that nobody would ever sell their masternodes and only buy buy buy, I can tell you, to buy, you keep having to come up with more money. The price went up, and we've already had 50 MNs cash out (we're down 50 right now) and that can only mean new people will have the opportunity to buy in. And I submit that this will continue to happen, as it is a law of physics and it works in this case too, the law of entropy.

We only need a few people who will keep an eye out on what's going on, and evaluate proposed projects for their merit and if they think they should be funded. We have hundreds, and we definitely don't need hundreds of thousands! Especially if they're not heavily invested in Dash. If we made this currency a democracy, I promise you, everyone will vote themselves more and more coins, and we would have our initial rules recoded in no time, so we can spread the wealth, which really means, kill the value, kill innovation, kill the crypto economy and make everyone poor, just like Governments do today, except they at least have a few people that keep the lid on it, whereas, direct voting would be a fiasco.

Why does a heavily invested voter matter? Because s/he benefits from the success of Dash. If more users adopt Dash, the value of a coin goes up, s/he benefits, if people stop using dash (because of high fees, etc...) the value of a coin goes down. It behooves the Masternode owner to vote for the good of all, because that invariably is good for them. It's called enlightened self interest, and I think all the people who own masternodes are intelligent enough to get this.

But definitely not the general public. In the words of John Adams, Founding Father of the United States of America, and on a point all Founding Fathers actually agreed upon, and all having stated the same in one way or another, "Democracy never lasts long, It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide." This is due to the tyranny of the majority. If you read a lot of people on the forums, they insist we should have a democracy, which shows how little thought the average person puts into such things.

Some people talk about how, with the internet, we could all vote on everything, and we should do away with our governmental structure. Do that and the USA will be DOA and in chaos in no time at all. Worse still, the minority, whatever, whomever they are, will be trampled on and destroyed.

Technically ? NO.
For DASH price? Def YES.
 
Nothing special, probably my votes would go to the same things that 95% of you. What I'm really concern of is the very ability to vote. You can name it 'inclusion'. Adding this feature will not change the power balance pretty much. Instead it will draw a lot new people to the community let alone big resonance in media. Is it bad for you?

Say, for example, gmail stopped working tomorrow.. what would you do? You'd be a little pissed and go elsewhere. What if you was paying $10 / month for that email service? Suddenly your expectations go up. And that's why you couldn't give clear and simple examples of what you'd vote for. For you it was simply principle, an inherent "right" simply because you have dash in your hand. When a MN operator puts down 1000 dash, they don't have it in their hand, it's locked up and yet they're keeping their systems operating 24/7 so that you can spend it.. instantly. This is not plug'n'play for the rich kids..
 
TanteStefana

By the contrary. From what I see here, quite a few Masternode owners are shortsighted and think short term only. They don't want a more inclusive system because they are afraid it would affect their immediate masternode dividends. That's the only reason. That's not long term thinking at all. Anything else is bullshit rationalizing.

That's simply false. Remember, the Masternode owners gave up 5% of their dividends for the good of the coin. This actually proves they are, on the whole, more interested in their long term investment. I can't say that none are so short sided, but overwhelmingly they have voted for what they felt was the good of the coin every time. Even when I didn't agree, I respect their decisions. They were well thought out, and discussed and had validity.
 
Than DASH will not perform as a store of value, only as a unit of account , tool of service.

No it's a little of both. Coins serve a duel purpose. You can't be either or, if you read what I said, I said "in that regard".
 
The difference I see is that when a person isn't heavily invested, they will benefit by voting themselves quick money, and let the system die long term.
How exactly could such a thing happen with masternodes holding more then 50% of voting power already? While many microinvesters will try to buy shares (DASH) for themself DASH price will be rocking up.
 
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