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camosoul

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So, I have this imperfect idea. It's a risk, for sure. But, its as good as we're going to get with what we've got to work with. Chicken or Egg?

I think I should have learned my lesson by now, but... I've been talking to some people. Testing feasibility.

It's do-able.

But I can't overstate the fact that it's a gamble. There are things no crystal ball can see. Some technical details which are un-testable, because no test platform exists for a concept that has never been done before.

It could crash and burn. But: Cats Driving Cars.

Risk-aversion. Some people just don't have the balls to make bold moves. They're comfortable getting easy jobs rubber stamped. If you had easy money rolling in, why would you gamble? But, we've run out of easy jobs that actually accomplish anything. The fearful dancing around the elephant in the room, looking for anything else to do to look busy... Making excuses.

If a baby is born prematurely, do you toss it in a storage box and wait for it to get better on it's own? No. You have to take care of it in it's fragile and unprepared state.

IX was born prematurely, and it's not being cared for, at all. It's implementation at this time is a bit haphazard, and it is a wart on the otherwise backward compatibility of the forked BTC API. Ignoring it is not the solution. It's true. It's not ready. It's not perfect. But it's still there. And it's not flying under the radar. @babygiraffe has the perfect name and forum avatar for this. You don't get to tell the marketplace to wait 2 years until you're ready. It will eat you alive if you don't step up.

We already see several other coins looking at similar implementations, while we've had this one for ~1.5 years and done nothing just because it's imperfect. The fact that DASH has gotten away with ignoring it this long is only a result of so much ponzi, so little brain, in the cryposphere at large. Look at MXR right now. We only wish we could get that sort of market cap, and they're doing it on broken features, no IX, specifically embracing crime, among a long list of other defect that cryptotards are incapable of understanding.

This will only make DASH's job harder than it already is. The crime/immature/ponzi stigma is upon all Crypto.

The only way to prove propaganda a lie, and separate "us" from "them" is action.

If a Cat drives a car and crashes it, it scampers off having learned no lessons from the failure. MNOs are in way over their heads. They're not learning lessons. There's no feedback or consequence for making stupid decisions. Well, there is, but it's beyond their ability to comprehend. Those parties getting a rubber stamp for do-nothing work are looking for increasingly frivolous projects to "look busy" and give the MNOs a placebo of taking action with free money that isn't theirs... This is becoming a hell of a mess, and any effort to describe it is treated like trolling, mean-spirited, anything but facing the truth of the statements.

I'm not afraid to fail. I've failed enough to know that failures are the stepping stones of success. People who have never done anything don't know this, they like to mock. And worse, there are others who might take the leap, but fear the mockery. I do not criticism the Biz Dev team because I hate them and want to hurt people... I do it because this is going nowhere and the MNOs aren't fit to call them out, they don't even see the problem.

I propose: stop dancing around the obvious and jump in. I can't give you a clear-cut path tot he unknown, but I know the time and money wasted on pretending that there is no elephant in the room is far more than it would cost to actually attack that elephant.

I ask, not that we know what a money pit some of these proposals are... That they aren't doing anything at all. I ask for a fraction of what has been wasted. Not even for myself. But as a heat shield in case of crash and burn. To keep people at the helm who can learn from the mistakes, and keep the ball going even when bad shit happens. There WILL be mistakes, because some of this is unknowable. I'm asking you to have my back instead of stab me in it.

I'll say it like I said it last time; I know I'm not the guy for this job. But, in a sea of cowards too afraid to step up, even the wrong man is better than no man. I'm willing to risk ridicule and failure where nobody else is. I'm willing to be the guy you blame. I really do think the community is looking for a scapegoat. We all seem to know that there is one obvious thing that needs to be done, but nobody is willing to sack up and do the hard things, take the risks, and manage the damage when there's a problem. No one who understands the circumstances well enough to actually learn from those failures and keep this going...

Besides, I'm supposed to be on muh bote. I don't wanna make this take any longer than it has to. But it's already taken 8 months and I'm not sure how much money to do absolutely nothing based on the excuse "it's not ready." I can take half as much of your money, kick you in the balls and tell you "it's not ready" and it'd be a damn good deal compared to what you've done so far.

If you want to keep rubber stamping the placebos, go ahead. I'm not telling you to stop. I'm asking you to give me something to work with. Even if it's a waste of money, you've wasted a hell of a lot more than that already... And worse, time. There's nothing you can do to get back the lost time.

Vendors need support. I've not yet met the vendor that set up their own Card Swipe Terminal. Did all the paperwork themselves. Sorted all the red tape. Who's going to do this? You've already funded ongoing money pits for projects that were never a good idea in the first place (lamassu), and are actually counterproductive to the whole point of DASH. If you really believe that creating another layer of red tape issues, another layer of fees, and robbing vendors of any motivation to adopt DASH, will somehow lead to adoption; fine.

I'm not asking you to stop wasting money on all the dumb crap you want. Waste as much as you want. Just give me some scraps to work with so I can show you something else.
 
Out of everything I read....... I'm not really seeing any kind of real 'proposal' here.
I see Camo being Camo - bitch'n about shit.....
Why not quit dancing around.... And just tell everybody what it is you really want to happen here........
I really hope you are not just looking for attention.... - again.....


edit: Help us - help you in your time of need.....

....... and ....... go........>>>>>
 
So, I have this imperfect idea. It's a risk, for sure. But, its as good as we're going to get with what we've got to work with. Chicken or Egg?

I think I should have learned my lesson by now, but... I've been talking to some people. Testing feasibility.

It's do-able.

But I can't overstate the fact that it's a gamble. There are things no crystal ball can see. Some technical details which are un-testable, because no test platform exists for a concept that has never been done before.

It could crash and burn. But: Cats Driving Cars.

Risk-aversion. Some people just don't have the balls to make bold moves. They're comfortable getting easy jobs rubber stamped. If you had easy money rolling in, why would you gamble? But, we've run out of easy jobs that actually accomplish anything. The fearful dancing around the elephant in the room, looking for anything else to do to look busy... Making excuses.

If a baby is born prematurely, do you toss it in a storage box and wait for it to get better on it's own? No. You have to take care of it in it's fragile and unprepared state.

IX was born prematurely, and it's not being cared for, at all. It's implementation at this time is a bit haphazard, and it is a wart on the otherwise backward compatibility of the forked BTC API. Ignoring it is not the solution. It's true. It's not ready. It's not perfect. But it's still there. And it's not flying under the radar. @babygiraffe has the perfect name and forum avatar for this. You don't get to tell the marketplace to wait 2 years until you're ready. It will eat you alive if you don't step up.

We already see several other coins looking at similar implementations, while we've had this one for ~1.5 years and done nothing just because it's imperfect. The fact that DASH has gotten away with ignoring it this long is only a result of so much ponzi, so little brain, in the cryposphere at large. Look at MXR right now. We only wish we could get that sort of market cap, and they're doing it on broken features, no IX, specifically embracing crime, among a long list of other defect that cryptotards are incapable of understanding.

This will only make DASH's job harder than it already is. The crime/immature/ponzi stigma is upon all Crypto.

The only way to prove propaganda a lie, and separate "us" from "them" is action.

If a Cat drives a car and crashes it, it scampers off having learned no lessons from the failure. MNOs are in way over their heads. They're not learning lessons. There's no feedback or consequence for making stupid decisions. Well, there is, but it's beyond their ability to comprehend. Those parties getting a rubber stamp for do-nothing work are looking for increasingly frivolous projects to "look busy" and give the MNOs a placebo of taking action with free money that isn't theirs... This is becoming a hell of a mess, and any effort to describe it is treated like trolling, mean-spirited, anything but facing the truth of the statements.

I'm not afraid to fail. I've failed enough to know that failures are the stepping stones of success. People who have never done anything don't know this, they like to mock. And worse, there are others who might take the leap, but fear the mockery. I do not criticism the Biz Dev team because I hate them and want to hurt people... I do it because this is going nowhere and the MNOs aren't fit to call them out, they don't even see the problem.

I propose: stop dancing around the obvious and jump in. I can't give you a clear-cut path tot he unknown, but I know the time and money wasted on pretending that there is no elephant in the room is far more than it would cost to actually attack that elephant.

I ask, not that we know what a money pit some of these proposals are... That they aren't doing anything at all. I ask for a fraction of what has been wasted. Not even for myself. But as a heat shield in case of crash and burn. To keep people at the helm who can learn from the mistakes, and keep the ball going even when bad shit happens. There WILL be mistakes, because some of this is unknowable. I'm asking you to have my back instead of stab me in it.

I'll say it like I said it last time; I know I'm not the guy for this job. But, in a sea of cowards too afraid to step up, even the wrong man is better than no man. I'm willing to risk ridicule and failure where nobody else is. I'm willing to be the guy you blame. I really do think the community is looking for a scapegoat. We all seem to know that there is one obvious thing that needs to be done, but nobody is willing to sack up and do the hard things, take the risks, and manage the damage when there's a problem. No one who understands the circumstances well enough to actually learn from those failures and keep this going...

Besides, I'm supposed to be on muh bote. I don't wanna make this take any longer than it has to. But it's already taken 8 months and I'm not sure how much money to do absolutely nothing based on the excuse "it's not ready." I can take half as much of your money, kick you in the balls and tell you "it's not ready" and it'd be a damn good deal compared to what you've done so far.

If you want to keep rubber stamping the placebos, go ahead. I'm not telling you to stop. I'm asking you to give me something to work with. Even if it's a waste of money, you've wasted a hell of a lot more than that already... And worse, time. There's nothing you can do to get back the lost time.

Vendors need support. I've not yet met the vendor that set up their own Card Swipe Terminal. Did all the paperwork themselves. Sorted all the red tape. Who's going to do this? You've already funded ongoing money pits for projects that were never a good idea in the first place (lamassu), and are actually counterproductive to the whole point of DASH. If you really believe that creating another layer of red tape issues, another layer of fees, and robbing vendors of any motivation to adopt DASH, will somehow lead to adoption; fine.

I'm not asking you to stop wasting money on all the dumb crap you want. Waste as much as you want. Just give me some scraps to work with so I can show you something else.

Camo, are you going to resubmit your proposal? If so, I recommend making it not so long. I really think that your angle with merchant set-up and support for Dash is the way we should be going, I agree 100%. A long-term proposal will not fly, if you truly want to help Dash, bend a bit and make the proposal shorter with some trial merchants before you go all out.

Out of everything I read....... I'm not really seeing any kind of real 'proposal' here.
I see Camo being Camo - bitch'n about shit.....
Why not quit dancing around.... And just tell everybody what it is you really want to happen here........
I really hope you are not just looking for attention.... - again.....


edit: Help us - help you in your time of need.....

....... and ....... go........>>>>>

I'm hoping he is going to re-submit the Vendor Experience proposal, but I've been wrong many times.. :p
 
This is the part you need to read.

Vendors need support. I've not yet met the vendor that set up their own Card Swipe Terminal. Did all the paperwork themselves. Sorted all the red tape. Who's going to do this? You've already funded ongoing money pits for projects that were never a good idea in the first place (lamassu), and are actually counterproductive to the whole point of DASH. If you really believe that creating another layer of red tape issues, another layer of fees, and robbing vendors of any motivation to adopt DASH, will somehow lead to adoption; fine.

I'm not asking you to stop wasting money on all the dumb crap you want. Waste as much as you want. Just give me some scraps to work with so I can show you something else.
 

TL;DR: SHOE AND SHOELACE! ONE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT THE OTHER! THE END!

A long-term proposal will not fly ... bend a bit and make the proposal shorter with some trial merchants before you go all out.
Here lies the dichotomy. Those who don't grasp reality seem to imply that these are inflexible demands made by me.

If you flap your arms and jump off the roof, you can't blame the ground for being "inflexible." I'm representing reality and being blamed for not warping reality to suit the wants of people who do not grasp reality.

But, no sense bitching. I have a clumsy work-around.

As long as Vendors exist and DASH exists, there will need be support. Until the concept of producing, distributing, and selling stuff ends, there must be support. As long as DASH expects to be part of that, it must provide that support.

Since there seems to be some bizarre double-standard coupled with an inability to understand that things exist. I propose creating the tool and that's it.

The obviously necessary ongoing management will not even be a consideration. At some point, this issue will come up again. Especially if it works... Somebody has to take care of the baby! I have an option for it, but I think a lot of people are not going to like it. Again, the socialist element.

The hangup I come to is the socialist element of this community. This will be a clumsy and imperfect tool that cannot be handed off to any old whoever without disastrous consequences. The baby will have to be in the care of responsible adults, not any old dirty homeless entitled demand-maker. It will have to remain closed until it is idiot proof. It's not a Waterproof Hair Dryer. Even if it's idiot proof, there is always a bigger idiot... Apple's target demographic.

There are plenty of examples of money funneling into black holes which get the OK just because it sounds so complicated and magical. Instead of failure, we just have nothingness. Instead of a financial loss to teach a lesson, we just have a new pile of money to blow next month and short attentions spans don't even notice where it went, if anywhere at all...

There are parts of this I just plain can't disclose or talk about. It's not actually hard or even very interesting. It's just risky, unknowable, and expensive if it actually works! If someone that doesn't grasp it tries to copy it, there will be a mess. Even with people who know exactly what they're doing, there could still be a mess. I don't want anyone getting the impression that it's a magic box that anyone can mash buttons and get results. It's not. Pardon me for being redundant. I'm not trying to be dramatic. I hate drama... I just want it to be painfully clear so nobody can paint a false picture later.

The reason this isn't already being done, is because it's a risk. Not because it's hard or complicated. Because there's a "reputation" for "succeeding" at tasks which have no defined end... Which makes it all that much more ironic that we're expected to have a finite time period. There is no such constraint on anything else flowing freely out of the budget. No measuring of results. No defined goals. Every easy job has been cherry picked. This is what's left and nobody wants to do it even though it's the most important and obvious thing... Just because it's scary and the possibility of failure exists. Everybody just keeps porking the busywork and hardly an eyelash batted at it no matter how sideways it is, but the guy willing to do the hard things is under a microscope? There needs to be some clues acquired to how backwards that is.

The loose end that caused all the contention before, is still there, and never will go away. Somebody has to take care of the baby, and that somebody isn't going to work for free. A bunch of people who want to live in denial of this, who don't want to take care of the baby, and do their best to forbid anyone else from taking care of the baby, will end up with a dead baby. My reluctance is mostly this; why try to have a baby if I already know it's going to be aborted?

You want deliverables. Finite. Sure. But what are you going to do with it once you have it? Continue to not comprehend that somebody has to take care of it? That this job will be as ongoing as DASH's desire to be taken seriously and actually used? You can create the tool, but somebody has to actually use it. Your house doesn't get clean just because you own a vacuum. Someone has to take it out of the closet, plug it in, and push it around...

Since that was the point of contention, I'm simply leaving it out. Make the baby, figure out who's going to play Mommy and Daddy later... I'm being forced to be irresponsible and stupid just to get anything done at all. Yeah, that puts me in a bad mood. What kind of people make that demand? Who takes them seriously?

@TaoOfSatoshi In the next 6 months, I expect you to be done with being a dad, and show me some deliverables. Otherwise, your child-producing proposal is unworkable. See how dumb that is?

As long as DASH wants to be used in real life, supporting this creation is every bit as important as the creation itself. I'm proposing to do only half of that, because it's exactly what you're asking for... Now, I could just say "that's really stupid." Which I do. A lot. But, the truth is another thing that I say a lot. This kind of request comes only from people who just plain do not grasp the reality in which they find themselves. Children having children. Cats driving cars.
 
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TL;DR: SHOE AND SHOELACE! ONE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT THE OTHER! THE END!


Here lies the dichotomy. Those who don't grasp reality seem to imply that these are inflexible demands made by me.

If you flap your arms and jump off the roof, you can't blame the ground for being "inflexible." I'm representing reality and being blamed for not warping reality to suit the wants of people who do not grasp reality.

But, no sense bitching. I have a clumsy work-around.

As long as Vendors exist and DASH exists, there will need be support. Until the concept of producing, distributing, and selling stuff ends, there must be support. As long as DASH expects to be part of that, it must provide that support.

Since there seems to be some bizarre double-standard coupled with an inability to understand that things exist. I propose creating the tool and that's it.

The obviously necessary ongoing management will not even be a consideration. At some point, this issue will come up again. Especially if it works... Somebody has to take care of the baby! I have an option for it, but I think a lot of people are not going to like it. Again, the socialist element.

The hangup I come to is the socialist element of this community. This will be a clumsy and imperfect tool that cannot be handed off to any old whoever without disastrous consequences. The baby will have to be in the care of responsible adults, not any old dirty homeless entitled demand-maker. It will have to remain closed until it is idiot proof. It's not a Waterproof Hair Dryer. Even if it's idiot proof, there is always a bigger idiot... Apple's target demographic.

There are plenty of examples of money funneling into black holes which get the OK just because it sounds so complicated and magical. Instead of failure, we just have nothingness. Instead of a financial loss to teach a lesson, we just have a new pile of money to blow next month and short attentions spans don't even notice where it went, if anywhere at all...

There are parts of this I just plain can't disclose or talk about. It's not actually hard or even very interesting. It's just risky, unknowable, and expensive if it actually works! If someone that doesn't grasp it tries to copy it, there will be a mess. Even with people who know exactly what they're doing, there could still be a mess. I don't want anyone getting the impression that it's a magic box that anyone can mash buttons and get results. It's not. Pardon me for being redundant. I'm not trying to be dramatic. I hate drama... I just want it to be painfully clear so nobody can paint a false picture later.

The reason this isn't already being done, is because it's a risk. Not because it's hard or complicated. Because there's a "reputation" for "succeeding" at tasks which have no defined end... Which makes it all that much more ironic that we're expected to have a finite time period. There is no such constraint on anything else flowing freely out of the budget. No measuring of results. No defined goals. Every easy job has been cherry picked. This is what's left and nobody wants to do it even though it's the most important and obvious thing... Just because it's scary and the possibility of failure exists. Everybody just keeps porking the busywork and hardly an eyelash batted at it no matter how sideways it is, but the guy willing to do the hard things is under a microscope? There needs to be some clues acquired to how backwards that is.

The loose end that caused all the contention before, is still there, and never will go away. Somebody has to take care of the baby, and that somebody isn't going to work for free. A bunch of people who want to live in denial of this, who don't want to take care of the baby, and do their best to forbid anyone else from taking care of the baby, will end up with a dead baby. My reluctance is mostly this; why try to have a baby if I already know it's going to be aborted?

You want deliverables. Finite. Sure. But what are you going to do with it once you have it? Continue to not comprehend that somebody has to take care of it? That this job will be as ongoing as DASH's desire to be taken seriously and actually used? You can create the tool, but somebody has to actually use it. Your house doesn't get clean just because you own a vacuum. Someone has to take it out of the closet, plug it in, and push it around...

Since that was the point of contention, I'm simply leaving it out. Make the baby, figure out who's going to play Mommy and Daddy later... I'm being forced to be irresponsible and stupid just to get anything done at all. Yeah, that puts me in a bad mood. What kind of people make that demand? Who takes them seriously?

@TaoOfSatoshi In the next 6 months, I expect you to be done with being a dad, and show me some deliverables. Otherwise, your child-producing proposal is unworkable. See how dumb that is?

As long as DASH wants to be used in real life, supporting this creation is every bit as important as the creation itself. I'm proposing to do only half of that, because it's exactly what you're asking for... Now, I could just say "that's really stupid." Which I do. A lot. But, the truth is another thing that I say a lot. This kind of request comes only from people who just plain do not grasp the reality in which they find themselves. Children having children. Cats driving cars.
Cool. I look forward to seeing what you're cooking up! Good luck, pal.
 
I will be providing support for the 100 businesses we bring on board with my proposal Dash to Adoption. I am hoping most of them will be rather seamless and those with more difficult integrations will be manageable.

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Dash-to-Adoption

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-dash-to-adoption-100-businesses-in-100-days.10348/

Camosoul, do you have much experience with Dash merchant adoption? What are your favorite tools for merchant integration? Why type of businesses are most likely to adopt Dash?
 
I will be providing support for the 100 businesses we bring on board with my proposal Dash to Adoption. I am hoping most of them will be rather seamless and those with more difficult integrations will be manageable.

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Dash-to-Adoption

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-dash-to-adoption-100-businesses-in-100-days.10348/

Camosoul, do you have much experience with Dash merchant adoption? What are your favorite tools for merchant integration? Why type of businesses are most likely to adopt Dash?

He has a little experience building the merchants. ;-)

www.dashndrink.com would not have happened without 100s of hours of his work.
 
Why type of businesses are most likely to adopt Dash?
This is a rather sideways questions, which doesn't really apply... I'm not going to directly answer it because it's not a direct question. I will try to provide some information in the same spirit, but on topic.

The businesses this would support are those which have largely non-integrated payment systems. Keep this toaster simple. Which ones would be most likely to choose it, I have no idea. It's more about the attitude of the individual owners towards crypto. They are people with any number of backgrounds, opinions, misinformation absorption, fear, etc... There's now way I could possibly predict...

The goal is to be minimally intrusive. Some details are rather low-tech. Some I can't talk about because the implementation is sub-optimal, and I wouldn't want to give the impression that it meets standards of "good practices," because it doesn't. But it's workable, and is a good first step that can be evolved.
What are your favorite tools for merchant integration?
What tools? The intent is to create tools because none exist. Well, at least none that are simple, to the point, etc...

While what I propose will be the simplest electronics funds acceptance system thus far presented to a vendor, the crap we'll have to do to make it simple for them, is not perfect. It's a matter of practicing the art of the possible. It's largely an effort to insulate the vendor from these imperfections, but somebody still has to handle them...
Camosoul, do you have much experience with Dash merchant adoption?
Nobody has any experience with DASH merchant adoption. Neither do I. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else reading this message.

It is impossible to have experience in doing a thing which has never been done.

But, it is akin to asking "Do you have experience picking your nose on Pluto?"

I have plenty of experience in picking my nose; just not while on Pluto, because I've never been there, and it's a nonsense qualifier.

I have over a decade in POS support for small business, and I know the current so-called "systems" are the opposite of what those people want. I know what they need, and I know how DASH works ... better than most people "promoting" it who won't even do basic research beyond "it has a money hose and it's easy to dupe the rubes."
 
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I haven't decided that there is going to be a proposal. I propose to do a thing. I haven't decided if I want the MNOs involved, or that I want their money.

Because, that money comes with strings that may inhibit the job actually getting done.

I may keep this private.

"Reasonable" is not a word that MNOs get to use anymore. They've squandered so much DASH I can't even count it all. They make no effort whatsoever to take account of the result, much less hold anyone accountable.

Yet I have to tolerate the Nth degree, questions that don't even make sense, for a tiny fraction of what's been porked and scammed away with not a care in the world?

I have a number in mind. It's less than the amount of frivolous pork already on the table for next month... It's less than 1% of what has already been wasted. Why the sudden scrutiny when much bigger things which cannot possibly be useful aren't even being checked on? It's like setting a $100 bill on fire, but driving 15 miles to find a gas station that is $0.01 cheaper... I'm still seeing a lot of ridiculousness here, and it's that ridiculousness that makes businesses back away when they do their due diligence.

I don't need the MNOs money or approval to do this. I want to see some maturity and backup from them to prove that I'm not wasting my time trying to push wet spaghetti up a hill with my nose. Again. Still.

It's a risky thing to do. I'd like the MNOs to give me a bit of a heat shield, and that's about it. But, I can do without it. I've done much bigger and gutsier things in my life. The question is, do I really want to get into that all again on behalf of people who won't even back me up? Sure. I can do it. But why? I'd rather be on my boat.

I am supposed to already be on my boat, spending the rest of my life aimlessly drifting between sandy dots on a map of the South Pacific. Even my retirement has more balls than most peoples' entire lives...

Still measuring response and weighing my options.

I really hope you are not just looking for attention.... - again.....
I don't want anyone's attention. I'd like to be completely irrelevant. Which is why, even though compelled, I'm still deciding if I'm even going to bother with it.

Does anyone even care about DASH being a real thing, and not just a ponzi pump on the next conference or feature add/hype? Am I the only one?

Why would I invest so much time, money and effort into making a baby that is just going to be aborted by a bunch of socialists that are so terrified that someone. somewhere, might profit, that they'll suffocate the thing just to make sure nothing good ever happens?

I want to see some evidence that I'm not wasting my time, because there are better things I could be spending it on if I'm the only one who "gets it."
 
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Think about the proposal like this.
Do you want to spend funds on developing something that merchants can use the way they want to use it now?

Or would you rather make too expensive and too soon comments and wait for the promise of Evolution in 1-2 years?
 
I'd like to hear your idea - why just dangle the carrot? If you wont do it, maybe someone else in the community can?

This is a very weird series of events lol
 
All plans cancelled by legal threats by core.

as posted in all other threads where you are making these comments
Core did not thread anybody !
please post screenshots or links for these accusations otherwise this comment just falls under general Trolling or FUD
 
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