Regarding the proposal to reduce the proposal fee [META]

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As you can see this is directly coming from the creator of this decision proposal. Personally if UdjinM6 (Dash lead developer) states something like that, i tend to believe him.
Quit putting words into my mouth, you were not privy to the conversation I had with him and the context, my discussion with him centred around what could be easily achieved and we didn't spend hours brainstorming reverting the fee since neither of us were of the impression that would be likely outcome and it won't be, it just insane to think we would build a higher moat around DASH when it is already well and truly out of the public's mind.
 

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DashCollective is a confederacy of mediocrities and unemployables who's main goal in life is to receive free money from the Dash treasury every month. They banded together to defeat RT's proposal to have unspent treasury funds shared by MNOs and miners. That was not in their interest. Why they would want to lower the proposal fee is obvious.
Nice fictin, nob head, you should write a book and leave us alone, I am here to tell you everything you just said is false.
 

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Furthermore, why leave something so completely incorrect in the proposal text in the first place ?
I regret making that statement, my intent was to be completely transparent and honest, instead it created confusion without the sufficient back story. I have not removed it because I hate censorship, it is now a matter of public record to the end of time. I attempted to clarify it which is all I could do, further, you are trying to entrap me, had I removed that statement you would be all over me stating a cover-up and conspiracy. You have not been arguing fairly in this process, I believe this is because you are posting from a place of fear and ignorance. I have asked you to DM me to discuss the real reason you are opposed to this change, because I do not believe it just because there may be a little more spam in the proposal system, your reaction to this is not proportionate to that risk, not by a long margin.
 
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As you can see this is directly coming from the creator of this decision proposal. Personally if UdjinM6 (Dash lead developer) states something like that, i tend to believe him.




Looking at xkcd response, good luck getting that direct quotation of UdjinM6.. vazaki3. Maybe you have better luck with someone else from the DashCollective.
It would certainly help with the whole 'to be complete transparent and honest'. Maybe best to find someone within DashCollective who is more objective and less prone to making unfounded personal accusations.
 
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Looking at xkcd response, good luck getting that direct quotation of UdjinM6.
Shutup Qwizzie, i've had private conversations with you before, agree to revealing those then we can talk about mine. the reason you've now turned to screen capping, instead of quoting is because you are modifying your posts to change the narrative later
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Try and stick to one story, instead of updating it after someone has replied to the original tripe.
 

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...I have not removed it because I hate censorship.
Aren't you the one who booted me from your Dash Discord the moment I arrived? SMH.

it just insane to think we would build a higher moat around DASH when it is already well and truly out of the public's mind.
You imagine that making it easier for wannabees and con artists to apply for grants from the treasury will increase Dash's mindshare. LOL.
 

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Shutup Qwizzie, i've had private conversations with you before, agree to revealing those then we can talk about mine.
I am curious about that private conversation with you, because i am unaware of having any private conversation about this proposal topic with anyone. Please provide some evidence of that private conversation.
 

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Aren't you the one who booted me from your Dash Discord the moment I arrived? SMH.
Yes, Troy added you after I had stated in DASH NATION that you would not be invited and would get a ban if you arrived, he added you as a test to see what I do. Just after you arrived I removed and lifetime banned you, my lifetime, not yours because you are deeply hostile to community members, ignorant and overrun conversations, untrustworthy and all together a pest.

You imagine that making it easier for wannabees and con artists to apply for grants from the treasury will increase Dash's mindshare. LOL.
Oh boy, ain't that a nice way to welcome anyone that might want to participate in the DASH DAO. o_O What was the phrase you used before? Was it maggots? and you wonder why you are banned from a discord where other DASH investors congregate? Show some self awareness, dude!


I am curious about that private conversation with you, because i am unaware of having any private conversation about this proposal topic with anyone. Please provide some evidence of that private conversation.
Did I say it was about the proposal? It was not, and no, I am not posting people's DMs in public, another form of entrapment from you, really starting to dislike the way you play. :mad:
 
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Normally i would agree to proposal owners not needing to post their DM's in public, unless that DM has some important specifics on a currently running decision proposal from our Dash lead developer. Which seems to be the case here.


Source : public comment on Dash Central -> https://www.dashcentral.org/p/reduce-the-proposal-fee-to-one-dash

Funny thing is that i took that comment of DashCollective as is, i am not doubting it nor do i personally need a full quotation.
It is vazaki3 that wants the full quotation, which i find understandable as it forms additional information with regards to this decision proposal.
 
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Looking at xkcd response, good luck getting that direct quotation of UdjinM6.. vazaki3. Maybe you have better luck with someone else from the DashCollective.
It is vazaki3 that wants the full quotation, which i find understandable as it forms additional information with regards to this decision proposal.
Exactly. I am always searching for the primary sources.

I am waiting for @UdjinM6 himself to clarify the issue.

If @UdjinM6 avoids to clarify this issue, then probably @xkcd / @Dashcollective understood it wrong, and thus there is no technical problem when increasing the proposal fee. Or at least the technical problem of increasing the proposal fee remains fuzzy and undefined.

So, @UdjinM6 , where are you?
 
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Looks like this decision proposal will pass. Congratz to the yes voters.

I guess the next decision proposal (for just 1 dash proposal fee) will be about redenomination, with a dev conveniently doing the Github Pull request for the implementation of that redenomination at the very start of that decision proposal. Which will then be formally announced through an update in that decision proposal 9 days later.

Meanwhile the proposal fee against fiat is just dropping as a brick these days.
 
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Meanwhile the proposal fee against fiat is just dropping as a brick these days.
What are you talking about? The reverse is happening! Dash is 23% up!!!

Probably the government agents lost control of the Dash community, so they are trying to buy again and regain control.
This is the bad scenario.

The good scenario is that a new Dash generation is comming, a generation that will help Dash community to rise again.
 
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If you lower the fee to 1 Dash, my buddies and I are going to submit 50000 proposals. The SPAM will be too much and will bring Dash to its knees. To its KNEES! Dash will be permanently damaged from that. The master fuckin plan finally achieved, mission complete. Thank you monero for the funding!
What's the difference between submitting 50k proposals instead of 10k? is spam regardless...

By the way what happened with this? ...
 
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It appears a 40whale just voted No, hmm.
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  • The oldest recorded collateral address of the whale is XbJThVRq9Rg9uEKM1F4ZWWax14Xe4cyKVJ and appears in https://mnowatch.org/the_results_da...364255729856202177123552659054058857113834756 as a 44whale. Here you are the votes of this 44whale. A git diff could also be done, but I leave it as an exercise to you.
  • The whale keeps changing slightly his masternodes, often enough so that a continued history of his group is not preserved. The voting behavior of this individual is fragmented to several voting groups, that need to be discovered.
 
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There is an interesting remark. Crowdnodes do not vote for the "decrease of proposal fee". Look at the latest report.
Strange, isnt it? What kind of crowdnodes are these, that are not interesting in decreasing the proposal fee?

The vast majority of the dash citizents abstain from voting, and this is a sign that they reject the faulty voting system (that gives unlimited voting power to a few persons) and also a sign of the (maybe absolute but surely relative, compared to other cryptos) decline of Dash .

When Dash was the 12th coin , approximately 158 individuals having 1 masternode were voting into the budget. Now that Dash is the 60th coin , only 58 people having 1 masternode are voting! The voting centralization, due to the restrictedless voting power given by the protocol to a few individuals, along with the vast abstention from voting, comes together with the decline of Dash .

Lets vote the numbers, and put an upper limit to the voting power an individual should have. This could be a remedy against voting abstention.
 
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There is an interesting remark. Crowdnodes do not vote for the "decrease of proposal fee". Look at the latest report.
Strange, isnt it? What kind of crowdnodes are these, that are not interesting in decreasing the proposal fee?
My post ignited something, and suddenly the votes of the crowdnodes regarding the proposal fee appeared.
Maybe a daemon in crowdnode site was dead, didnt updated the latest votes, but now its up again.
Or maybe this is done on purpose, the admin of crowdnodes decided to cast the votes of the crowd the last minute.

The below videos show what will happen when the fishy crowd will invade dash.

 
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Regarding the voting rights, the italian Cardano (currently the 5th crypto) offers voting rights for 500 ADA = 600 USD.
Dash, currently the 60th coin, offers voting rights for 1000 Dash = 140000 USD.

Are the governors of Dash , the dash masternodes, stupid? Yes they are.... Thats why they are in the 60th position, and keep falling.

Let the fishy crowd invade dash. It will destroy the valey, but this is the way for the valey to become fertile again.

Have you the courage to vote the numbers in order to re-define the minimum and define the maximum voting right?
Have you the courage to adapt, have you the courage to change?

 
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