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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GrandMasterDash, Sep 22, 2017.
I don't want to ban her... perhaps we can just award the badge for a limited time..
I dont like badges, because the badges are the tomb of light.
So I voted no.
I think I am gonna lose this, so this is my counter proposal.
It is unfair only me having the badge, there are other trolls also. Nobody is 100% troll, and nobody is 0% troll. Not to mention of course that the troll badge is always relative, a troll community rates the prudent people as trolls. This is what happened to Noah or to Lot, for example.
So my proposal is:
Give a granular badge to everybody, that will show how much troll someone is, according to the troll ratings he/she received. Even better let this granular troll badge be able to show: "all troll ratings" / "this year troll ratings" / "this month troll ratings".
Because some people may have many troll ratings accumulated over the past years, but the current year (or month) they may changed their trollish behavior and they may are not considered as trolls by the community anymore.
Figuring out how to deal with @demo is a right of passage for this community. Kind of a character test. Putting a badge on her weakens the test.
@demo Usually most people can find some sort of common ground. But you seem to take the opposite stance just because you can. Sometimes it's good to play devils advocate but when you default to that it goes past being helpful in any way. You also seem inconsistent in who you target. Tron works for the overstock CEO which is one of the biggest people in the space and you want to question him on a 5 dash proposal (the smallest (pre)proposal on the network). Lets agree that is fairly ridiculous by anyone's standards. Then you say you know more influential people which you have no way to prove. You may not be 100% troll but you are close to it.
I never said that my friends are more or less influential people than @Tron's friends. I said that I prefer my friends to get the dash , instead of the friends of @Tron, for the simple reason that they are my friends! And I think this is a rational behavior, and everyone should think that way, before deciding how to vote.
Furthermore my main argument is that if @Tron has influential friends, how this complies with the fact that they beg for free dash? If the were really influentual, they should buy masternodes, and not to beg for free dash from the budget. The fact that they beg for free dash, means that they are poor, thus they are not influential.
So what I propose is to give all dash to @Tron , and pay him to advertise dash to his influential friends, but not give them dash for free. @Tron's campaign should have the goal to convince his influential friends, in order for them to buy masternodes and invest in dash.
@demo I think you've partially missed the point; it's a series of events that made me create this poll / thread.
Don't misunderstand me. I think deep down you have some good intentions and it's flattering you feel somewhat at home here. I would just appreciate that you take a little care sometimes. Tbh, I too need to do this as I can sometimes get carried away. For all the people I've offended here, I still ultimately have to remember and respect that these are real humans.
For all it's shortcomings, dash resolves everything at the ballot box, so to speak. Of course, there have been many people and proposals I disagreed with but it is what it is. It's done, in the past. And I can tell you with complete confidence, if you stare at a car crash immediately in front of you, you will indeed become a part of it. Yet, if you look to a point of safety, your muscle memory will lead you to safety. So instead of repeatedly reflecting on negatives, let's try to consider the positives others might bring.
I don't really mind most of demo's posts. Instead of a troll badge, I would rather just have moderators enforce rules with appropriate action whenever demo crosses the line into territory that is not in line with common sense community/forum guidelines.
You may hide my quotes from the common view, but I definetely disagree for you to delete them.
The moderators and myself should always be able to view the deleted quotes.
This is the only way for me to prove in the future, that YOU, the deletionist, are the troll and not me.
Deletions aren't the only option. There are also temp bans or permabans for repeated offenses for egregious abuses.
That being said, I think many of your posts are fine, but you need to be reined in sometimes when it comes to thread hijacking or thread bumping.
A troll badge is a type of ad hominem attack. Debate ideas, not people or labels. If the discourse runs afoul of community guidelines I think there are already sanctions for that.
I dont care if you ban me, as long as I am allowed to speak after my ban.
After all you have already did it, you secretly banned me for 14 days, without announcing it to the community.
Hit me, but listen to me.
Personally, I really wouldn't want to ban you. Instead of specifically targeting you, I wonder if we can do this automatically via some kind of forum rule e.g. X number of troll flags in Y time would give a troll badge for Z duration.
I personally would be for a ban. demo was the reason why in the beginning I didn't bother signing up to the forum. I eventually did because my dash became worth so much that i couldn't affored not to. And I found that this forum has an ignore function so I won't ever seen any posts or comments by demo. And I would recommend others to use this.
I'm pretty new to this community, only joined a few month ago. When I joined, my first impression of demo was that he/she is just a harmless troll, sometimes simply not getting what a thread is about and thus trolling and hijacking.
Well, now I've changed my mind. I've seen too much stuff recently that was just too much. She keeps popping up in threads and posts stuff that is completely off-topic, technically wrong, or just silly. At the same time, she insults people who try to correct her wrong understanding and assumptions. Now she started doing that in a discussion about blockchain satellite broadcasting: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...-planet-from-geosynchronous-satellites.17279/
I understand that you have some kind of mercy with her. At least till some degree. But there must be limits to this, and actions must be taken. I'm not for a full-blown ban, but something like banning for 1 or 2 days per incident would be perfectly fine. Giving her a badge...nope, definitely not. Honestly, she seems to enjoy pissing off people, so that'd be just a badge of honor for her.
Instead of grumbling here, go answer to the aforementioned thread with technical arguments.
@demo God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Try listening more and talking less.
I tried demo, really. But it's hopeless. You throw in completely unrelated stuff, mix up stuff, use stuff out of context. It's completely hopeless. Having technical arguments with you is hopeless. Because you seem to believe you understand what you're talking about, but you're on such a high level of wrongness, it's impossible to work on that level. Not only on that thread, I watched you doing exactly the same style of arguments in other threads when it got technical.
The fact that you dont understand what satellite internet really is, doesnt make my comments unrelated. Go read a little bit, and I hope you will understand what I am talking about.
Tell me I'm wrong; you've never used Satellite Internet.
I am not a simple satellite internet user. I am more than that.
In other words, you've never actually purchased satellite air time, let alone connect one to your computer. Ah yes, you are above such lowly things, right? You see, right there is where you lose a chunk of credibility.
I have never said that. I said that I am not an ordinary satellite internet user. Thats all I have said. Dont put words in my mouth.
I'll put words in your mouth as long as you evade questions with a simple yes or no answer. Right now I'm assuming a person running an old secondhand computer with XP is insufficiently rich enough to buy a specialist satellite dish, let alone to purchase the air time to use it.
It is not XP anymore! It is Lubuntu now! Why do I need to purchase something, in order to get involved? I have never purchase Dash, but I am involved in it , am I not?
Well at least there has been some progress.
Now all you gotta do is listen more than talk. Not for the people here but for your own personal development. It's like a challenge to yourself, to see if you can make more constructive comments than simply scratching an itch every time someone makes a comment that you have an opinion about.
When someone says something, ask yourself, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how strong do I feel about this?". If you feel, say, it's below 6 then let it ride, skip it, don't waste your time on it. Save yourself for when you feel strong about something. This way you can focus on the things that really matter, allow you to be more self-aware to things that really matter to you.
Well, in the specific case related to the disagreement I had with @codablock, I feel 9.9/10 strong that my technical arguments are correct.
The fact that he does not answer, but he came here complaining, gives me 0.1 more, so I feel 10/10 strong now.
Then raise your bar to 10.1. It's not 6 for everyone. Whatever the bar is for you, it's too low, that's why you get criticism from people like me, because you're interjecting more than listening.
If you imply that the specific technical arguments I wrote regarding satellites are wrong, go answer there please , and not here.
Ok, thanks for posting this. I'm answering now not to continue our technical argument, but to showcase your style of argumentation.
1. The discussion was initially about the original topic, BROADCASTING via satellite. I tried to point out that the limitations of this solution would be problematic for Dash. The OP answered my points, I answered again based on his answers. All was on-topic and technical.
2. demo chimes in, tells us that he is pro-satellite. This is fine, it's his opinion and I wouldn't even ask him to back up his opinion.
3. Now she adds another post:
There we go. The first insult and mentioning of "facts", ignoring that she is using the "facts" out of context.
4. I try to point out that she talks about consumer level satellite internet, which is NOT what what the topic is about. I also try to point out that if a bidrectional connection is needed, SPV is the better solution.
5. Now she edits the post from 3., making it look like this:
Ah ok, some sources of the "facts". Still out of context. Still ignores that we're not talking about consumer internet. Also ignores that the data shown in the Wiki is about TOTAL bandwidth, not per user/broadcast bandwidth. Completely ignores that using just a fraction of the bandwidth is not free, it's actually quite expensive when used for broadcasting.
6. As a response to my post in 5., she posts this:
Ok...that's the point I realized that there is no chance to have a technical discussion here. Wtf? We tried to figure out if a broadcasting solution is feasible, and now you post such links? Can we PLEASE first figure out if it's technically possible before we go into political discussions? And if you bring such things up, can you please first think about why it would be any different when a broadcasting solution would be used? It'd be a one-way stream, so people won't be able to USE the blockchain, they'd still be required to have a sending channel into the network to send transactions. Why aren't they going to be killed for using that? Where's the difference? And can we please first talk about the TECHNICAL side of the problems to be solved?
6. Now she posts:
That's not only off-topic and out of context, it's just plain wrong. It would be ok if she just misunderstood it. But she insists on her being right and insults others for pointing out her error. I assume demo somewhere read about UDP being better suited for satellite internet, simply because it doesn't have the ACK overhead/latency of TCP and then somehow mixed that up. That does not mean it's based on UDP. UDP is on a completely different OSI layer.
7. I'm getting angry, asking her to stop taking part in the discussion.
8. Next post by her:
More insults. More out of context arguments. More mixing up of technical stuff.
Honestly, how should I have a good discussion with you if you don't listen and behave this way?
Ah, just refreshed to see what you posted while I wrote this:
It is hopeless to answer you on a technical level.