Welcome to the Dash Forum!

Please sign up to discuss the most innovative cryptocurrency!

Poll: Should we anoint demo a "Resident Troll" badge?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GrandMasterDash, Sep 22, 2017.

?

Poll: Should we anoint demo a "Resident Troll" badge?

  1. Yes

    55.0%
  2. No

    10.0%
  3. Perhaps some other solution

    35.0%
  1. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    I don't want to ban her... perhaps we can just award the badge for a limited time..
     
    • Useful Useful x 3
    • Funny Funny x 2
  2. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
  3. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    I think I am gonna lose this, so this is my counter proposal.

    It is unfair only me having the badge, there are other trolls also. Nobody is 100% troll, and nobody is 0% troll. Not to mention of course that the troll badge is always relative, a troll community rates the prudent people as trolls. This is what happened to Noah or to Lot, for example.

    So my proposal is:

    Give a granular badge to everybody, that will show how much troll someone is, according to the troll ratings he/she received. Even better let this granular troll badge be able to show: "all troll ratings" / "this year troll ratings" / "this month troll ratings".

    Because some people may have many troll ratings accumulated over the past years, but the current year (or month) they may changed their trollish behavior and they may are not considered as trolls by the community anymore.
     
    #3 demo, Sep 23, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
  4. jimbursch

    jimbursch Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2017
    Messages:
    837
    Likes Received:
    499
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Figuring out how to deal with @demo is a right of passage for this community. Kind of a character test. Putting a badge on her weakens the test.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
  5. ampp

    ampp Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Messages:
    184
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    88
    @demo Usually most people can find some sort of common ground. But you seem to take the opposite stance just because you can. Sometimes it's good to play devils advocate but when you default to that it goes past being helpful in any way. You also seem inconsistent in who you target. Tron works for the overstock CEO which is one of the biggest people in the space and you want to question him on a 5 dash proposal (the smallest (pre)proposal on the network). Lets agree that is fairly ridiculous by anyone's standards. Then you say you know more influential people which you have no way to prove. You may not be 100% troll but you are close to it.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  6. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    I never said that my friends are more or less influential people than @Tron's friends. I said that I prefer my friends to get the dash , instead of the friends of @Tron, for the simple reason that they are my friends! And I think this is a rational behavior, and everyone should think that way, before deciding how to vote.

    Furthermore my main argument is that if @Tron has influential friends, how this complies with the fact that they beg for free dash? If the were really influentual, they should buy masternodes, and not to beg for free dash from the budget. The fact that they beg for free dash, means that they are poor, thus they are not influential.

    So what I propose is to give all dash to @Tron , and pay him to advertise dash to his influential friends, but not give them dash for free. @Tron's campaign should have the goal to convince his influential friends, in order for them to buy masternodes and invest in dash.
     
    #6 demo, Sep 24, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2017
  7. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    @demo I think you've partially missed the point; it's a series of events that made me create this poll / thread.

    Don't misunderstand me. I think deep down you have some good intentions and it's flattering you feel somewhat at home here. I would just appreciate that you take a little care sometimes. Tbh, I too need to do this as I can sometimes get carried away. For all the people I've offended here, I still ultimately have to remember and respect that these are real humans.

    For all it's shortcomings, dash resolves everything at the ballot box, so to speak. Of course, there have been many people and proposals I disagreed with but it is what it is. It's done, in the past. And I can tell you with complete confidence, if you stare at a car crash immediately in front of you, you will indeed become a part of it. Yet, if you look to a point of safety, your muscle memory will lead you to safety. So instead of repeatedly reflecting on negatives, let's try to consider the positives others might bring.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  8. TroyDASH

    TroyDASH Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    1,251
    Likes Received:
    794
    Trophy Points:
    183
    I don't really mind most of demo's posts. Instead of a troll badge, I would rather just have moderators enforce rules with appropriate action whenever demo crosses the line into territory that is not in line with common sense community/forum guidelines.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  9. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    You may hide my quotes from the common view, but I definetely disagree for you to delete them.
    The moderators and myself should always be able to view the deleted quotes.
    This is the only way for me to prove in the future, that YOU, the deletionist, are the troll and not me.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. TroyDASH

    TroyDASH Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    1,251
    Likes Received:
    794
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Deletions aren't the only option. There are also temp bans or permabans for repeated offenses for egregious abuses.

    That being said, I think many of your posts are fine, but you need to be reined in sometimes when it comes to thread hijacking or thread bumping.
     
  11. DashDude

    DashDude Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2017
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    78
    A troll badge is a type of ad hominem attack. Debate ideas, not people or labels. If the discourse runs afoul of community guidelines I think there are already sanctions for that.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    I dont care if you ban me, as long as I am allowed to speak after my ban.
    After all you have already did it, you secretly banned me for 14 days, without announcing it to the community.

    Hit me, but listen to me.
     
    #12 demo, Sep 25, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Personally, I really wouldn't want to ban you. Instead of specifically targeting you, I wonder if we can do this automatically via some kind of forum rule e.g. X number of troll flags in Y time would give a troll badge for Z duration.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Useful Useful x 1
  14. TheSingleton

    TheSingleton Active Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    103
    I personally would be for a ban. demo was the reason why in the beginning I didn't bother signing up to the forum. I eventually did because my dash became worth so much that i couldn't affored not to. And I found that this forum has an ignore function so I won't ever seen any posts or comments by demo. And I would recommend others to use this.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  15. codablock

    codablock Member
    Core Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2017
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    149
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I'm pretty new to this community, only joined a few month ago. When I joined, my first impression of demo was that he/she is just a harmless troll, sometimes simply not getting what a thread is about and thus trolling and hijacking.
    Well, now I've changed my mind. I've seen too much stuff recently that was just too much. She keeps popping up in threads and posts stuff that is completely off-topic, technically wrong, or just silly. At the same time, she insults people who try to correct her wrong understanding and assumptions. Now she started doing that in a discussion about blockchain satellite broadcasting: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...-planet-from-geosynchronous-satellites.17279/

    I understand that you have some kind of mercy with her. At least till some degree. But there must be limits to this, and actions must be taken. I'm not for a full-blown ban, but something like banning for 1 or 2 days per incident would be perfectly fine. Giving her a badge...nope, definitely not. Honestly, she seems to enjoy pissing off people, so that'd be just a badge of honor for her.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  16. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    Instead of grumbling here, go answer to the aforementioned thread with technical arguments.
     
  17. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    @demo God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Try listening more and talking less.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. codablock

    codablock Member
    Core Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2017
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    149
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I tried demo, really. But it's hopeless. You throw in completely unrelated stuff, mix up stuff, use stuff out of context. It's completely hopeless. Having technical arguments with you is hopeless. Because you seem to believe you understand what you're talking about, but you're on such a high level of wrongness, it's impossible to work on that level. Not only on that thread, I watched you doing exactly the same style of arguments in other threads when it got technical.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    The fact that you dont understand what satellite internet really is, doesnt make my comments unrelated. Go read a little bit, and I hope you will understand what I am talking about.
     
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  20. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Tell me I'm wrong; you've never used Satellite Internet.
     
  21. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    I am not a simple satellite internet user. I am more than that.
     
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  22. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    In other words, you've never actually purchased satellite air time, let alone connect one to your computer. Ah yes, you are above such lowly things, right? You see, right there is where you lose a chunk of credibility.
     
  23. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    I have never said that. I said that I am not an ordinary satellite internet user. Thats all I have said. Dont put words in my mouth.
     
  24. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    I'll put words in your mouth as long as you evade questions with a simple yes or no answer. Right now I'm assuming a person running an old secondhand computer with XP is insufficiently rich enough to buy a specialist satellite dish, let alone to purchase the air time to use it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  25. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    It is not XP anymore! It is Lubuntu now! Why do I need to purchase something, in order to get involved? I have never purchase Dash, but I am involved in it , am I not?
     
  26. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Well at least there has been some progress.

    Now all you gotta do is listen more than talk. Not for the people here but for your own personal development. It's like a challenge to yourself, to see if you can make more constructive comments than simply scratching an itch every time someone makes a comment that you have an opinion about.

    When someone says something, ask yourself, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how strong do I feel about this?". If you feel, say, it's below 6 then let it ride, skip it, don't waste your time on it. Save yourself for when you feel strong about something. This way you can focus on the things that really matter, allow you to be more self-aware to things that really matter to you.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  27. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    Well, in the specific case related to the disagreement I had with @codablock, I feel 9.9/10 strong that my technical arguments are correct.

    The fact that he does not answer, but he came here complaining, gives me 0.1 more, so I feel 10/10 strong now.
     
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  28. GrandMasterDash

    GrandMasterDash Well-known Member
    Masternode Owner/Operator

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    959
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Then raise your bar to 10.1. It's not 6 for everyone. Whatever the bar is for you, it's too low, that's why you get criticism from people like me, because you're interjecting more than listening.
     
  29. demo

    demo Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Dash Address:
    XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX
    If you imply that the specific technical arguments I wrote regarding satellites are wrong, go answer there please , and not here.
     
  30. codablock

    codablock Member
    Core Developer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2017
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    149
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ok, thanks for posting this. I'm answering now not to continue our technical argument, but to showcase your style of argumentation.
    1. The discussion was initially about the original topic, BROADCASTING via satellite. I tried to point out that the limitations of this solution would be problematic for Dash. The OP answered my points, I answered again based on his answers. All was on-topic and technical.
    2. demo chimes in, tells us that he is pro-satellite. This is fine, it's his opinion and I wouldn't even ask him to back up his opinion.
    3. Now she adds another post:
    There we go. The first insult and mentioning of "facts", ignoring that she is using the "facts" out of context.
    4. I try to point out that she talks about consumer level satellite internet, which is NOT what what the topic is about. I also try to point out that if a bidrectional connection is needed, SPV is the better solution.
    5. Now she edits the post from 3., making it look like this:
    Ah ok, some sources of the "facts". Still out of context. Still ignores that we're not talking about consumer internet. Also ignores that the data shown in the Wiki is about TOTAL bandwidth, not per user/broadcast bandwidth. Completely ignores that using just a fraction of the bandwidth is not free, it's actually quite expensive when used for broadcasting.
    6. As a response to my post in 5., she posts this:
    Ok...that's the point I realized that there is no chance to have a technical discussion here. Wtf? We tried to figure out if a broadcasting solution is feasible, and now you post such links? Can we PLEASE first figure out if it's technically possible before we go into political discussions? And if you bring such things up, can you please first think about why it would be any different when a broadcasting solution would be used? It'd be a one-way stream, so people won't be able to USE the blockchain, they'd still be required to have a sending channel into the network to send transactions. Why aren't they going to be killed for using that? Where's the difference? And can we please first talk about the TECHNICAL side of the problems to be solved?
    6. Now she posts:
    That's not only off-topic and out of context, it's just plain wrong. It would be ok if she just misunderstood it. But she insists on her being right and insults others for pointing out her error. I assume demo somewhere read about UDP being better suited for satellite internet, simply because it doesn't have the ACK overhead/latency of TCP and then somehow mixed that up. That does not mean it's based on UDP. UDP is on a completely different OSI layer.
    7. I'm getting angry, asking her to stop taking part in the discussion.
    8. Next post by her:
    More insults. More out of context arguments. More mixing up of technical stuff.

    Honestly, how should I have a good discussion with you if you don't listen and behave this way?

    Ah, just refreshed to see what you posted while I wrote this:
    It is hopeless to answer you on a technical level.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1