Hmm I see I was booted from slack. Awesome.

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Glad to know people who stand up for a true democratic process get shafted. Best of luck to you guys.
 

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What is slack?
Heard the name never really looked into it....
The private chat room with around 69(-1 now) people including the core team and some heavy dash contributors.

edit: I guess they still are trying to say I'm trolling. Half of this goddamn community must be trolling then because THEY voted this crappy proposal out, not me. I can't even vote. This reminds me a goddamn oligarchy at this point.
 
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So all the DASH folks hangout there? - huh..... guess I should have at least looked - lol

My 2x votes work ok - what do you mean?
 
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So all the DASH folks hangout there? - huh..... guess I should have at least looked - lol

My 2x votes work ok - what do you mean?
I cant vote, as in I have no MN's but im basically being "punished" if you will for influencing the vote in a direction that some people didnt like. So I just got booted, not even a warning. Just tried to alt tab and wham, gone.
 

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Lobbying should be expected - If some people don't like it - oh well...
Not everybody is going to agree....
I sell votes - lol
1 DASH per proposal per vote....meh..... won't get ya far....
Lobbying would produce more votes.... sway'd....
 

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I've heard mention of this slack more and more lately. How to access the dash slack chat?
 

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Lobbying should be expected - If some people don't like it - oh well...
Not everybody is going to agree....
I sell votes - lol
1 DASH per proposal per vote....meh..... won't get ya far....
Lobbying would produce more votes.... sway'd....

A bit off topic, but selling votes, why didn't I think of that!? I could be like a real politician.....
 
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So they kicked you from slack... were you posting a bunch in there, or just because of your posts on BCT?
 

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That's really unfortunate... Especially when you've been quite heavily involved in the community from what I can see at least..

This should be fixed.... Immediately.
 
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Meh. I voluntarily left the slack channel months ago as I wasn't happy about the inclusive setup. It's a good place to get shit done though if you're doing work on the project.

InTheWoods I think you just request an invite from tungfa. Im not sure who can and cannot join though.
 
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Meh. I voluntarily left the slack channel months ago as I wasn't happy about the inclusive setup. It's a good place to get shit done though if you're doing work on the project.

InTheWoods I think you just request an invite from tungfa. Im not sure who can and cannot join though.
I can see why.

I've heard mention of this slack more and more lately. How to access the dash slack chat?
Apparently its a place where certain opinions get you kicked without warning or notice. Someone is mad at me for expressing my opinion it seems.

That's really unfortunate... Especially when you've been quite heavily involved in the community from what I can see at least..

This should be fixed.... Immediately.
Appreciate that sir.
So they kicked you from slack... were you posting a bunch in there, or just because of your posts on BCT?
In my opinion it was due to the whole Transform PR getting voted out, and I was the most vocal.
 

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I can see why.
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I was the most vocal.
TheDashGuy -
it's pity to me to see that it finished like this... (hope you will come back later soon).
As you had being said - Slack is not the place for arguing and debating (we have forums for it).

Your main problem is not your ideas but the form that you express them.
You were repeating your same ideas many-many times to make them looks more important. It looks like destructive spamming and even trolling. It just prevents the rest of the people doing their work. We have forums for it. Slack is for cooperation. And each member of team must fulfill certain general rules.
System has to protect itself from "the most vocal" if he interferes with work most of the rest...

IMO. :sad:
 
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Glad to know people who stand up for a true democratic process get shafted. Best of luck to you guys.
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Slack is not the place for arguing and debating
[...]
Slack is for cooperation.
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Exact, Slack is our collaboration platform, that's why we protect it from unnecessary spam.

TheDashGuy alone posted 1.5k messages on Slack last week - out of a total of something like 7k. That's merely 20% of traffic by a single user - and it did not bring any solution to any problem.

The core team members do not have time to read through pages of endless ranting and arguing, which do not contribute to a solution or produce any outcome.

Like kot wrote to TheDashGuy in a different post:

Now it is time for you to act as a responsible person and do. Do not write what we should have - it is pointless (we should have hundreds of things - everyone knows that and everyone could write dozens of posts about it). Just make it happen instead.
I couldn't agree more on this. I have seen many community members come and go, writing myriads of post about ideas on "something someone should do".

I have enough ideas by myself, more ideas than my time schedule is capable of handling beside my family, leisure and friends.

If you want to improve Dash: Do it. But don't expect someone to pick up your ideas and do it for you.

Just my 0.01 duffs,
Holger
 
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We have forums for discussion. Slack is for cooperation.
This!

I often have problems to re-find information over at Slack because it gets buried quickly. If we use Slack for the same things as the forum it would be useless and a waste of time.

Slack: solve problems

dashtalk.org: propose things. Discuss things. Post opinions. Be passionate. Kick someones ass if needed.
 

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.new#new

I do not feel like re typing everything, and I will not let your drown me out. So try me. You think I'm some stupid little kid who doesn't know what censorship is?


HA. You guys got another thing coming, write your code. Fix your "bugs". I will gladly drop the entire amount of effort I have put into helping people learn Dash and target censorship. Fine by me.

I was told this place was going to be a way to free people from oppressive regimes, not start one yourselves. Have your private slack channels where you can discuss things in private, i'm fine airing all my stuff publicy. Np.

Sad day in crypto. Was I the first to be kicked from slack? What an honor.
 

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.new#new

I do not feel like re typing everything, and I will not let your drown me out. So try me. You think I'm some stupid little kid who doesn't know what censorship is?


HA. You guys got another thing coming, write your code. Fix your "bugs". I will gladly drop the entire amount of effort I have put into helping people learn Dash and target censorship. Fine by me.

I was told this place was going to be a way to free people from oppressive regimes, not start one yourselves. Have your private slack channels where you can discuss things in private, i'm fine airing all my stuff publicy. Np.

Sad day in crypto. Was I the first to be kicked from slack? What an honor.
Funny how you say yourself all righteous yet no one is defending you.

If you are true to your words... just leave. You were kicked out of Slack because you were intolerable there. You were toxic for a work environment. Here it's another story. There is no censorship and you're perfectly welcome to make a fool out of yourself at will.

Only if you seriously cross the line of morals will you be moderated.

Slack, is a different story. You were directly affecting the entire team's performance.

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I did. Refresh your browser.

Someone had to take initiative, and if you check the "like" on mine vs your posts, you'll soon get a grasp of what is what.

Quantity is not quality.

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I did. Refresh your browser.

Someone had to take initiative, and if you check the "like" on mine vs your posts, you'll soon get a grasp of what is what.

Quantity is not quality.

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So you are telling me the fact you have 1475 posts and 834 likes means half your content is pointless?

Because if we look at the last TWO MONTHS: Iyou see I had a way better ratio (635/539) of people "agreeing" with me.

So whos right here? I honestly don't fully understand you post but your logic is still flawed.
 

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No silly-billy :rolleyes:

I'm talking about this issue, right here right now. Like I said so myself. Quantity is not quality.
You could at least make an effort and not use cheap tactics of word spinning.

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This thread is quite funny. I see it has turned into a competition - who did the most work and best quality work for Dash. You don't see this level of commitment to a project in the Bitcoin/othercoin community.
 
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This thread is quite funny. I see it has turned into a competition - who did the most work and best quality work for Dash. You don't see this level of commitment to a project in the Bitcoin/othercoin community.
Oh no, no competition at all. Just keeping him distracted from other threads. He can't help himself from answering.

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No silly-billy :rolleyes:

I'm talking about this issue, right here right now. Like I said so myself. Quantity is not quality.
You could at least make an effort and not use cheap tactics of word spinning.

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Whos words did I spin? I'd love to see that logic.

I posted 630+ posts in a 2 month period, and received 530+ likes in that short period.

Are you suggesting my posts are suffering in quality? Because the community and the math disagree with you.

Whos next? This is coming from my heart, you guys are acting from your wallets/brains.

Who do you think is going to give up first? Honestly?


I will keep posting this, hell it should be my signature, but that space is already used up:

“But the true measure of a society’s freedom is how it treats its dissidents and other marginalized groups, not how it treats good loyalists.”
― Glenn Greenwald, No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State
 

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Whos words did I spin? I'd love to see that logic.

I posted 630+ posts in a 2 month period, and received 530+ likes in that short period.

Are you suggesting my posts are suffering in quality? Because the community and the math disagree with you.

Whos next? This is coming from my heart, you guys are acting from your wallets/brains.

Who do you think is going to give up first? Honestly?


I will keep posting this, hell it should be my signature, but that space is already used up:

“But the true measure of a society’s freedom is how it treats its dissidents and other marginalized groups, not how it treats good loyalists.”
― Glenn Greenwald, No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State
What do you call a peanut that gets mugged? "Assaulted" peanut...

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What do you call a peanut that gets mugged? "Assaulted" peanut...

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Now whos a troll?

Go ahead, keep ruining your reputation so you can be part of the "cool kids" club. That must have worked out for you so well back in high school!
 

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Do you like it? I'm trying to put you in the same spot you put all of us. I don't need to reinforce myself with self-proclaimed words of grandeur. Nor am I cross posting in multiple threads. I'm here and I'm not letting go until you do. It takes two to waltz.

Now, either we can take this to a whole new level of discussion and actually debate politely and intelligently, or we keep deflecting each ad nauseum.

Let me try once again to be very polite and give you 100% absolute benefit of a doubt. And please take the time to answer honestly.

Why is it that I'd seen you around, not knowing you, thinking "hey, new chap on the Slack-block, he must have done good by us for him to be here"
Then Camosoul goes all ape-shit, as usual, when people don't bow before his awesomeness. He rants off into his typical seclusion and WHAM - you go all bananas cross posting in all of our communication channels bitching and moaning, relentlessly, ticking everyone off, using foul language?

Why? It's oddly coincidental. Dozens of people asked you kindly to stop! You didn't.

What made you snap?

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Do you like it? I'm trying to put you in the same spot you put all of us. I don't need to reinforce myself with self-proclaimed words of grandeur. Nor am I cross posting in multiple threads. I'm here and I'm not letting go until you do. It takes two to waltz.

Now, either we can take this to a whole new level of discussion and actually debate politely and intelligently, or we keep deflecting each ad nauseum.

Let me try once again to be very polite and give you 100% absolute benefit of a doubt. And please take the time to answer honestly.

Why is it that I'd seen you around, not knowing you, thinking "hey, new chap on the Slack-block, he must have done good by us for him to be here"
Then Camosoul goes all ape-shit, as usual, when people don't bow before his awesomeness. He rants off into his typical seclusion and WHAM - you go all bananas cross posting in all of our communication channels bitching and moaning, relentlessly, ticking everyone off, using foul language?

Why? It's oddly coincidental. Dozens of people asked you kindly to stop! You didn't.

What made you snap?

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First off THANK YOU. I am doing my best to walk a very tight rope here between transparency being needed and being polite.


Want my honest simple answer?

I feel as if the budget is being used a slush fund, when the whole idea was to create an economic tool for the masses, not just shove budget items down peoples throat. We do not need some PR company to "save the day" there is no easy button to adoption. We need to create a fully functioning economy for people to fund things all around the world whether it be a half assed ATM attempt in Africa, an article from Proteus or others, or just a simple reimbursement of some who spend thier own money spreading Dash.

Not to pay a large multi national corporation who operates like its 2002. We don't need them to provide us with backlinks, PR shoutouts, introductions or any of that. Dash can stand on its own too feet as I am right now, with or without support from the "big boys" of Bitcoin.

And if we REALLLLY need them prove it. Analytics are not that hard to provide.

I hope that made sense and I hope I stayed within your expectations.
 
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That's a great re-start!

I hope it's not too premature to thank you back. I already did it once, and it back-fired. Just being honest myself. But lets face it, you haven't been very polite given some language you used. But lets put that behinds us, shall we?

I totally get where you come from. But I disagree. Marketing is a dark-art. It is historically dirty in it's intent to manipulate people into buying products they don't need.
PR campaigns on the other hand are a different beast. They are far far faaar harder to pull off, because you're not necessarily trying to sell, but raise awareness.

There is a reason PR guys are payed top dollars. None other, because it is profoundly effective. If we want Dash to grow into mainstream adoption, we need to have a professional face to ourselves. That does not clash with community driven initiatives, like your website and your tweets.

But those have a limited audience, and this is no insult. A good PR campaign necessarily needs to have some secrecy behind it. Its not secrecy as in "oooh, let not let anyone know whats going on ooooh" - it' the old business adage. If you want to be ahead of the competition, you keep your secrets to yourself. Like the Coca-cola recipe, like Grandma's Super Tasty Apple Pie. Because we are an open-source decentralised project, we cannot spill out the bean for other to simply copy us!

Plus, PR tests things before deploying big time. That is why it simple cannot be a month to month thing. It's either all-in package, or it's not. If the PR campaign goes bust, we will have essentially thrown a heck of a lot of money down the drain.

PR campaigns are not meant to be immediately effective. They're meant to test the waters and tread lightly so you dint sink the ship !!

It is all to easy to spam the web with all sorts of info, links facebook, tweets etc etc - that is totally not the way to break the next barrier in our development. We need professional help with people who have absolutely show their worth, have the right contacts (this is the honey pot!) and understand better than anyone of us the mentality of the the people we are trying to reach.

This project is lead by an individual that has been constantly delivering and exceeding. He's recruited other individuals that have show to be prime exemple of competence.

To accuse this collective of using a "slush fund" proposal, using a top name in the industry as cover, is beyond immature. Not trying to rattle you up, just calling for your good sense. Your reasons for not liking this proposal do not make sense, and are quite insulting if you think about it.

I personally think this is a grave grave mistake. The PR campaign MUST show it's result at the END of it's cycle. If we, the Dash project, fail to deliver a proper report on how the funds were used, all credibility is lost.

To use the analytics excuse right now only shows how you do not understand the mechanics of a top level professional PR campaign.

I hope we can keep this line of discusion, this is good debating.
 
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That's a great re-start!

I hope it's not too premature to thank you back. I already did it once, and it back-fired. Just being honest myself. But lets face it, you haven't been very polite given some language you used. But lets put that behinds us, shall we?

I totally get where you come from. But I disagree. Marketing is a dark-art. It is historically dirty in it's intent to manipulate people into buying products they don't need.
PR campaigns on the other hand are a different beast. They are far far faaar harder to pull off, because you're not necessarily trying to sell, but raise awareness.

There is a reason PR guys are payed top dollars. None other, because it is profoundly effective. If we want Dash to grow into mainstream adoption, we need to have a professional face to ourselves. That does not clash with community driven initiatives, like your website and your tweets.

But those have a limited audience, and this is no insult. A good PR campaign necessarily needs to have some secrecy behind it. Its not secrecy as in "oooh, let not let anyone know whats going on ooooh" - it' the old business adage. If you want to be ahead of the competition, you keep your secrets to yourself. Like the Coca-cola recipe, like Grandma's Super Tasty Apple Pie. Because we are an open-source decentralised project, we cannot spill out the bean for other to simply copy us!

Plus, PR tests things before deploying big time. That is why it simple cannot be a month to month thing. It's either all-in package, or it's not. If the PR campaign goes bust, we will have essentially thrown a heck of a lot of money down the drain.

PR campaigns are not meant to be immediately effective. They're meant to test the waters and tread lightly so you dint sink the ship !!

It is all to easy to spam the web with all sorts of info, links facebook, tweets etc etc - that is totally not the way to break the next barrier in our development. We need professional help with people who have absolutely show their worth, have the right contacts (this is the honey pot!) and understand better than anyone of us the mentality of the the people we are trying to reach.

This project is lead by an individual that has been constantly delivering and exceeding. He's recruited other individuals that have show to be prime exemple of competence.

To accuse this collective of using a "slush fund" proposal, using a top name in the industry as cover, is beyond immature. Not trying to rattle you up, just calling for your good sense. Your reasons for not liking this proposal do not make sense, and are quite insulting if you think about it.

I personally think this is a grave grave mistake. The PR campaign MUST show it's result at the END of it's cycle. If we, the Dash project, fail to deliver a proper report on how the funds were used, all credibility is lost.

To use the analytics excuse right now only shows how you do not understand the mechanics of a top level professional PR campaign.

I hope we can keep this line of discusion, this is good debating.

I'll save this spot, it will take me a minute to respond as I am trying to get my work done after wasting my last 3 days on this crap.